Why do you still support Bush?

Advocate, That makes Bush a world criminal. He initiated the destruction of Iraq - all by himself! If they keep calling it "progress," we'll know he's talking about the ethnic and sectarian progress towards civil war - if it isn't already.

This world is divided more than any time in history; Bush must be tagged the most dangerous leader ever to hold the title of "leader."

AUMF ... it passed the House on October 10 by a vote of 296-133, the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23, and was signed into law by Bush on October 16, 2002.

It passed the House based on lies and innuendos of Bush and his criminals of Saddam's WMDs and connections to al Qaida.

Another lie Bush continued to perpetrate on the American People was his repeated rhetoric that congress had the same intel.

These are facts even a dumb lawyer will understand.

Joe, I don't consider a FREE Afghan army being trained and constantly growing up around Osama's little cave a comforting thought to Mr. Bin Hidin'..

imposter, according to your crowd, it is always somebody else's fault. The allegation that Bush had information nobody else did is pure nonsense. It has never been substantiated, in fact a Congressional report or panel or some such thing dismissed any suggestion of that. Facts don't stop people like you throwing the same old baseless charges does it? Do we have to dredge up all this old news imposter to illustrate the obvious? You would probably belong to the crowd that would sue McDonalds for serving your coffee too hot? No wonder Democrats can't decide what they are for or against. They do not want to be responsible for anything.

Okie, wow, a congressional report! I guess you didn't know that the Republicans control congress.

Advocate, are you also one of the jokers on the 911 fraud thread? If so, that says it all. You would not accept anything whatsoever if it disagreed with your pet thesis.

Okie--Mr. Imposter and Mr. Advocate are completely ignorant of what occurs in Congress. Note below:

Okie--Mr. Imposter and Mr. Advocate are completely ignorant of what has occurred with regard to WMD's and any investigations. Note below:




So, once again, did the British, the French, and the Germans, all of whom signed on in advance to Secretary of State Colin Powell's reading of the satellite photos he presented to the UN in the period leading up to the invasion. Powell himself and his chief of staff, Lawrence Wilkerson, now feel that this speech was the low point of his tenure as Secretary of State. But Wilkerson (in the process of a vicious attack on the President, the Vice President, and the Secretary of Defense for getting us into Iraq) is forced to acknowledge that the Bush administration did not lack for company in interpreting the available evidence as it did:

I can't tell you why the French, the Germans, the Brits, and us thought that most of the material, if not all of it, that we presented at the UN on 5 February 2003 was the truth. I can't. I've wrestled with it. [But] when you see a satellite photograph of all the signs of the chemical-weapons ASP?-Ammunition Supply Point?-with chemical weapons, and you match all those signs with your matrix on what should show a chemical ASP, and they're there, you have to conclude that it's a chemical ASP, especially when you see the next satellite photograph which shows the UN inspectors wheeling in their white vehicles with black markings on them to that same ASP, and everything is changed, everything is clean. . . . But George [Tenet] was convinced, John McLaughlin [Tenet's deputy] was convinced, that what we were presented [for Powell's UN speech] was accurate.

Going on to shoot down a widespread impression, Wilkerson informs us that even the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) was convinced:

People say, well, INR dissented. That's a bunch of bull. INR dissented that the nuclear program was up and running. That's all INR dissented on. They were right there with the chems and the bios.

In explaining its dissent on Iraq's nuclear program, the INR had, as stated in the NIE of 2002, expressed doubt about

Iraq's efforts to acquire aluminum tubes [which are] central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear-weapons program. . . . INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors . . . in Iraq's nuclear-weapons program.

But, according to Wilkerson,

The French came in in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by God, we did it to this RPM, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments?

In short, and whether or not it included the secret heart of Hans Blix, "the consensus of the intelligence community," as Wilkerson puts it, "was overwhelming" in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq that Saddam definitely had an arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, and that he was also in all probability well on the way to rebuilding the nuclear capability that the Israelis had damaged by bombing the Osirak reactor in 1981.

Additional confirmation of this latter point comes from Kenneth Pollack, who served in the National Security Council under Clinton. "In the late spring of 2002," Pollack has written,

I participated in a Washington meeting about Iraqi WMD. Those present included nearly twenty former inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the force established in 1991 to oversee the elimination of WMD in Iraq. One of the senior people put a question to the group: did anyone in the room doubt that Iraq was currently operating a secret centrifuge plant? No one did. Three people added that they believed Iraq was also operating a secret calutron plant (a facility for separating uranium isotopes).

No wonder, then, that another conclusion the NIE of 2002 reached with "high confidence" was that

Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.1



MR. IMPOSTER AND MR. ADVOCATE ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH, OKIE AND THEY HAVE NEVER (because they can't) REBUTTED THE MATERIAL ABOVE>

It doesn't matter one whit what the Germans, French, and Brits thought about Saddam's WMDs. Our own intelligence told Bush and company they had nothing to confirm Saddam had WMDs.

You guys trying to blame the Germans, French, and the Brits now?

You're all morons and insane!

You give them too much credit and respect!

Perhaps reading the Norman Podhoretz article, "Who Is Lying About Iraq?" from the December 2005 edition of Commentary magazine would refresh your memory of the facts?

Don't you recall that George Tenant told Bush the case of Saddam's WMD was a "slam dunk"? And in making that assertion, Tenet "had the backing of all fifteen agencies involved in gathering intelligence for the United States." The National Intelligence Estimate of 2002, which summarizes the collective views of these agencies, offered with "high confidence" that: "Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions."

I suggest you read the article.

The intelligence agencies of the world may have been duped, thanks to a tremendous effort by Saddam to make everyone think he had WMD. What Saddam did was akin to pointing an unloaded gun at a cop. If someone points a gun at a cop, loaded or not, the cop has the right -- the obligation -- to shoot them.

But the moron in chief was saying that the weapons were in existence...that the delivery vehicles were in existence...that we KNEW they were there...and that the threat was so severe and near that we had to act immediately and precipitously...

...and all the while he had reason to think that all that was horseshyt.

He steered the intelligence of our country.

George Dumbya Bush...besides being a moron of high standing...is and was a goddam liar.

Face up to it.

No big deal.

You're a conservative, Ti.

You can still continue to kiss his ass...and knee-jerk defend everything he did even though you realize the truth.

Hypocrisy is allowed...even encouraged in conservative circles.

Podhoretz is a neocon just like ticomaya, Massagato, okie, Rex, and Bush. They keep up their lies, because they think repeating it often enough makes them come true.

When you repeat the truth your files don't get too thick. You don't have to re-fabricate the lies.

Rex, You're behind the times; the majority of Americans now know by all the polls, including the one from Fox, that Bush is failing in Iraq.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"
.. ...............Approve Disapprove Unsure
......................%........... %............ %
6/24-27/06......40............56..............4
6/5-8/04.........44.............55..............1

Reality
What Bush said: "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

Bush claim:State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:

- Sarin gas

- Mustard gas

- VX Nerve agent


Not True
Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq

Neocons don't even know what a lie is, much less understand logic and common sense.

Well CI why don't you go beg the terrorists not to bomb Baghdad for us then? You got a much better plan with Kerry on the far left?

Especially when the left is pouring BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars into anti-American SPECIAL INTEREST politics to make sure we AMERICANS fail.

...of which you and your polls are a part of.

The truth will catch up with you too.

Sooner rather than later.

Maybe this next election.

You go out and send fifty people with tongue piercings into super-market parking lots and who is going to answer their poll? Left wing nuts maybe? Labor slum houses send out "polls"...

Election time is coming and a rude awakening to the left.

You don't get votes by being obstructionists.

Rex wrote:
Well CI why don't you go beg the terrorists not to bomb Baghdad for us then?

Another typical neocon dummy response. Bush the moron got us into this mess, and now nobody knows how to get us out.

Rex, Do you understand anything about "taking responsibility?" Bush started this war on lies and innuendos, alienated most of our allies, created some of the biggest boondoggles of modern history, and this idiot wants me to go beg the terrorists to stop; and he's serious! Too friggen dumb to understand anything.

You know what? I've read that Podhoretz piece maybe a dozen times or more and you know what I'm struck with every time?

Nobody got it right.

Conservatives here seem to think, and Podhoretz certainly seems to think, that because everyone was about of the same mind on the WMDs that that gives the President of USA some cover, but it doesn't. It just makes him just as wrong as everyone else. Not a good position to be in if you are supposed to be leading rather than being part of the herd. I wouldn't follow any leader who, once he found out he's been had, wouldn't change course. If I was Bush I'd be really really pissed at the ComIntel and the SatIntel people over there at NSA. They fuckkked him.

Oh, and us too.

So, what are we doing, George, to make sure we know what we are talking about when it comes to say NUCLEAR weapons in North Korea?? or Iran? and are you really sure Libya has stripped itself of it's nuclear programs.? Have you expanded the number of on-the-ground eyes, you know, the kind of work Valerie Palme used to do before.... well, you know.

The answer is no. That's right. Despite the damning facts that none of our intelligence agencies, or anyone else's, came close to knowing anything for real about Iraq, we still don't have any kind of a working presence in Iran or North Korea. Isn't that pathetic? We continue to use SatIntel and a dozen crunching Cray computers to tell us what is going on. Probably good enough to see something major like the fueling of a rocket, but not that six North Korean assassins, disguised as farming equipment buyers, had traveled though China and disappeared.

If I was George I'd call in every swinging dick at NSA and the CIA and tell them to be damned sure about anything they were going to tell him, but if they were wrong, he's have them shot. (That would get their flabby data-mining asses in gear.)

Iraq is only the biggest mistake that Bush has made SO FAR. He now faces the other two of the Axis of Evil and both of them could give a sh*t what we think. He's had four and a half years to fix the intelligence agencies of the US, I don't think he's even knocked on the door over at the Puzzle Palace.

So I guess he'll be going with whatever everybody thinks rather than be a leader.

Joe(He's been thinking about doing the Social Security speech again)Nation