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Why do you still support Bush?

 
 
WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 08:55 am
Two posts ... cool. Oughtta help those of you with New Dem blinders ...
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 09:04 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
At least Bush pulls off the commonman act ...


There is a huge difference between "pulling off" the "common man act"...and being and acting the way a fukin' moron has to be and act.

When you discover the difference....your eyes will be opened.


I see the name-calling has begun, so having answered the question in a civil manner and having posed a better one, I'll be on my merry way.

Have a nicely bitter day, Frank, and, as always, feel free to kiss my backside.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 09:17 am
1. I continue to believe that this Administration's policy decisions were appropriate to the time and circumstances they were made. That there have been unintended consequences is just a fact of life whenever decisions are made in the absence of complete certainty, and such certainty virtually never exists in politics.

2. I believe that most of the complaints about the blood cost of the Administration's foreign and military policies are overblown, and that the actual casuality rates have been very low. The current struggle is much more akin to this nation's epic struggles than it is to the invasion of Grenada. The casualties were greater during almost any major Civil War battle in a single hour than the total in Iraq/Afghanistan. Compare the cost of Okinawa, a single campaign, to the current casualties, and again the costs are very low. Some would argue that the casualty rates should be balanced against results. I believe that life for Iraqi's and Afghans today is more promising than it was prior to our interventions in response to 9/11. The potential for democratic governments exists today where before there was nothing but brutal dictatorships. A wedge has been driven geographically between Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Many thousands of radical Islamic terrorists are no longer a threat to the United States or its allies. Prior to this Administrations military policies, I believe that the leadership of the radical Islamic movement believed that they could attack us with impunity, and that is no longer the case.

That we have not experienced a major terrorist attack within the United States since 9/11 is, I believe, in large measure due to the policies and efforts of this administration. The enemy is "otherwise occupied". Now they must live in constant fear that we will find them out and destroy them wherever they may try to hide. The fact that Bin Ladin remains at large, is unfortunate, but his C3 links have been seriously disrupted, and his chief and best lieutenants are dead, dead, dead. With the continuation of this Administration's initiatives, I believe the United States will be harder and harder to attack. Thats a good thing, even if some among us don't object.

3. Since the President is a lame duck, there is no reason not to support his policies for the remainder of his term. To do otherwise would send the wrong signal to the enemy. Our government is republican, not some sort of pure democracy where everyone has a say in every decision. We elect leaders whose powers to govern are extensive. There is always a risk that those powers will be abused, but there are sufficient checks and balances to prevent that from destroying our system. If the present administration is doing the job we elected them to do, and I for one believe they are, then the administration is entitled to our support. If the left is correct and this administration is flawed, then they will be out of office shortly and some other administration will expect public support for its ideas of what policies are best for the nation. One can't say "I will only support those policies that I completely agree with" without seriously undermining the foundations of republican government.

4. What effective alternative do you suggest?
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 09:54 am
Um, I know what Carhartt's are. Does that make me common?
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 10:06 am
squinney wrote:
Um, I know what Carhartt's are. Does that make me common?


It's good for starters. Now you have to knock out a few teeth, vote GOP, & look to East coast liberals for inspiration.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 12:43 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
At least Bush pulls off the commonman act ...


There is a huge difference between "pulling off" the "common man act"...and being and acting the way a fukin' moron has to be and act.

When you discover the difference....your eyes will be opened.


I see the name-calling has begun, so having answered the question in a civil manner and having posed a better one, I'll be on my merry way.

Have a nicely bitter day, Frank, and, as always, feel free to kiss my backside.


Sure...from a side that spent 8 years bashing Bill Clinton, a president who was infinitely better in the job than this moron now pretending to be president.

There is no name calling...unless calling someone named, Frank....Frank; or calling someone named Whooda...Whooda.

The man is a disgrace to the office...and he is a moron.

Sorry that bothers you. Truly!

It bothers many friends of mine who are of like mind with you. It bothers some relatives of mine who are also of like mind with you.

I don't mention it to bother those friends...those relatives...or you.

I mention it because it is so.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 02:19 pm
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 02:44 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?
There is nothing left to say about Bush.

How do you win the hearts and minds of morons in two elections?

LIE TO THEM!

1.Tell them the boogie man is coming to get them.

2.Tell them that god told you to tell them to vote for you to stop the boogie man from hurting you.

3. Show them a bunch of stuff that the boogie man is planing to do that you made up yourself.

4. Then tell them you need a bunch of money to fight the boogie man and keep it.

5. And when their fellow countrymen tell them you are lying to them tell them they either with the boogie man or they are "liberals" what ever the hell that means.

The truth is too painful for you guys. Thats what is going on.
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WhoodaThunk
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 04:14 pm
Amigo wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?
There is nothing left to say about Bush.

How do you win the hearts and minds of morons in two elections?

LIE TO THEM!

1.Tell them the boogie man is coming to get them.

2.Tell them that god told you to tell them to vote for you to stop the boogie man from hurting you.

3. Show them a bunch of stuff that the boogie man is planing to do that you made up yourself.

4. Then tell them you need a bunch of money to fight the boogie man and keep it.

5. And when their fellow countrymen tell them you are lying to them tell them they either with the boogie man or they are "liberals" what ever the hell that means.

The truth is too painful for you guys. Thats what is going on.


Gosh.
You guys are smart.
Why didn't I see this?
I must be a fukin' moron, too.
I'll vote for a Democrat next time.
Thanx.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 04:36 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Amigo wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?
There is nothing left to say about Bush.

How do you win the hearts and minds of morons in two elections?

LIE TO THEM!

1.Tell them the boogie man is coming to get them.

2.Tell them that god told you to tell them to vote for you to stop the boogie man from hurting you.

3. Show them a bunch of stuff that the boogie man is planing to do that you made up yourself.

4. Then tell them you need a bunch of money to fight the boogie man and keep it.

5. And when their fellow countrymen tell them you are lying to them tell them they either with the boogie man or they are "liberals" what ever the hell that means.

The truth is too painful for you guys. Thats what is going on.


Gosh.
You guys are smart.
Why didn't I see this?
I must be a fukin' moron, too.
I'll vote for a Democrat next time.
Thanx.
I got an idea. Let's not believe lies just because a candidate is in our party.

What an amazing and novel idea!!!!!!!

Who benefits when we are deceived? who benefits when we are not?

Ask yourself that.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 05:53 pm
Re: Why do you still support Bush?
Brandon9000 wrote:
candidone1 wrote:
I have been tediously scrolling through and (yes), reading the "Is Bush a Liar" thread.
The usual suspects have donated their typical contributions, but I wonder why some people still unconditionally support Bush.
What are some of the things he is currently doing that makes him worthy of such support?.... and under what conditions would you cease to support him further?

I have never unconditionally supported him. I think he's dead wrong to be in favor of tort reform, for instance. However, I voted for him, and support him now because he usually says things I believe. I guess you can tell me why that's wrong.


You do in fact unconditionally support him. There are several members here, you included, who have and will continue to defend any legitimate criticisms of this president and his administration.
That you cite "tort reform" as one of the pillars upon which you base your support for Bush is laughable...
You have in fact defended Bush for the entire term of my A2K membership and I defy you to provide any examples where you have criticized him or any of his policies.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 05:54 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Okay, I'll add to the bloody bait of this sharkfest ...

It's not so much that I support Bush, though I did vote for him in '04 after voting for Gore in '00, it's just that the Democratic Party has become such a caricature of what it once was. When it comes time to cast that vote, apparently most Americans just couldn't bring themselves to vote for the candidate (& his wife, Endora) who had flipflopped to the top of the heap of such a stinking mess of wacked-out losers.

Mine wasn't a pro-Bush vote as much as an anti-Kerry vote.

Having said that, I think a better question might be:

With such a pathetic, good ol' boy, palm-greasing moron in the Whitehouse, why haven't the Democrats gained the slightest bit of ground with the electorate in the past six years?

Let the waters churn ...


....ummmm, you've missed the pont here:
"Why do you still support Bush".

Maybe that'll get you back on track.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 05:55 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Brandon, get some rest.

It was my impression that she started the thread to ask conservatives the question I answered.


I would prefer to be referred to as a "he".
Thanks.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:07 pm
Asherman wrote:
1. I continue to believe that this Administration's policy decisions were appropriate to the time and circumstances they were made. That there have been unintended consequences is just a fact of life whenever decisions are made in the absence of complete certainty, and such certainty virtually never exists in politics.

There is a difference between making a mistake, and making significant, substantial and frequent mistakes....and also making efforts to correct them.

2. I believe that most of the complaints about the blood cost of the Administration's foreign and military policies are overblown, and that the actual casuality rates have been very low. The current struggle is much more akin to this nation's epic struggles than it is to the invasion of Grenada. The casualties were greater during almost any major Civil War battle in a single hour than the total in Iraq/Afghanistan. Compare the cost of Okinawa, a single campaign, to the current casualties, and again the costs are very low. Some would argue that the casualty rates should be balanced against results. I believe that life for Iraqi's and Afghans today is more promising than it was prior to our interventions in response to 9/11. The potential for democratic governments exists today where before there was nothing but brutal dictatorships. A wedge has been driven geographically between Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Many thousands of radical Islamic terrorists are no longer a threat to the United States or its allies. Prior to this Administrations military policies, I believe that the leadership of the radical Islamic movement believed that they could attack us with impunity, and that is no longer the case.

Aside from being a "war president", war is not his raison d'etre. There are many domestic issues where the ball has been dropped....
Hard.


That we have not experienced a major terrorist attack within the United States since 9/11 is, I believe, in large measure due to the policies and efforts of this administration. The enemy is "otherwise occupied". Now they must live in constant fear that we will find them out and destroy them wherever they may try to hide. The fact that Bin Ladin remains at large, is unfortunate, but his C3 links have been seriously disrupted, and his chief and best lieutenants are dead, dead, dead. With the continuation of this Administration's initiatives, I believe the United States will be harder and harder to attack. Thats a good thing, even if some among us don't object.

I think that since 9/11 was the first attack on the American territory by a foreign enemy since, what, the British?....the odds of another strike were diminished more likely by other factors other than Bush's policies.
9/11 just allowed his PNAC agenda forward.


3. Since the President is a lame duck, there is no reason not to support his policies for the remainder of his term.

Nuff said.
That is unconditional support.
I choose not to support a lame duck.


4. What effective alternative do you suggest?

I was not offering alternatives, rather a question as to why this man or this administration deserves unconditional respect and support.
You have responded quite appropriately.
Failure to support the president unconditionally is to undermine the republican party.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:10 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?


Uhhhh Whooda....the slur was directed toward the Shrub.
No need to get your shorts in a knot.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:11 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?


Don't you???

Bush is a fukin' moron.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:14 pm
WhoodaThunk wrote:
I said this before:

I don't support everything Bush has done or continues to do. I simply find him far preferable to the alternative.

Please note:No references to the Clintons or Kennedys so skip that tired refrain.

Care to answer the better question?

Why are the Democrats & their policies still so distasteful when only 29% of America supports the moronic buffoon?

Didn't think so. Bueller? Bueller?


You still find him better than the alternative?
After 6 years in office, there really is no "alternative" other than anyone but Bush.So, why support him rather than anyone else?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:16 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?


Don't you???

Bush is a fukin' moron.


Unless we are here dealing with a Bush lap dog, who, in the event of a criticism of his master, lashes out irrationally against the offender.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:18 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
WhoodaThunk wrote:
Uhh, Frank ...

"Fukin' moron" = namecalling.

Your side resorts to it all too frequently, and it does nothing to win the hearts and minds of the rest of us fukin' morons who simply voted against Democrat elitism in the past two presidential elections.

Dontcha get it?


Don't you???

Bush is a fukin' moron.


Unless we are here dealing with a Bush lap dog, who, in the event of a criticism of his master, lashes out irrationally against the offender.


Amazin'...ain't it, Cand!

What a horrible insult to the founding fathers that it has come to this!
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 06:19 pm
Candidone said...

Quote:
I think that since 9/11 was the first attack on the American territory by a foreign enemy since, what, the British?....the odds of another strike were diminished more likely by other factors other than Bush's policies.
9/11 just allowed his PNAC agenda forward.


You apparently failed history,didnt you?
Does Pearl Harbor ring a bell with you?
Do the names Guam,Wake Island,Attu,Kiska,Midway Island,the oil refinery near Santa Barbara that was shelled by a Japanese sub,doesnt any of that ring a bell with you?

Of course,there was the attack by Pancho Villa on a border town in New Mexico...
Quote:
On March 9, 1916, Villa led 1,500 (disputed, one official US Army report stated "500 to 700") Mexican raiders in a cross-border attack against Columbus, New Mexico, in response to the U.S. government's official recognition of the Carranza regime [3]. They attacked a detachment of the [13th US Cavalry], seized 100 horses and mules, burned the town, killed 10 soldiers and 8 of its residents, and took much ammunition and weaponry.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa

Of course,you are correct,9/11 was the first attack on US Territory since the British.
Lets not let facts get in your way.
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