Why do you still support Bush?

I am thinking Frank gets to pitch when he and C.I. get together.

Anyone else?

I DID NOT misread the thread title. I wonder about you though, McGentrix. Caught in a time bubble with the World Trade Center as your avatar. Where is Bin Laden? What happened to the war in Afghanistan or is that too much for your mind to bend around?

Vietnamnurse wrote:

I DID NOT misread the thread title. I wonder about you though, McGentrix. Caught in a time bubble with the World Trade Center as your avatar. Where is Bin Laden? What happened to the war in Afghanistan or is that too much for your mind to bend around?

Obviously you did misread the thread title, because you did not state why you still supported the President, but rather let loose the common and boring reason's why you don't. *yawn*

Red Rex - -Sounds like you got a fish to fry or bird to roast and I don't think it is GB...

When the left is consistently wrong on almost every issue after a while anyone would be cooking.

Was it his lying us into a war with Iraq?

What lie was that? The President was concerned that Saddam had so-called Weapons of Mass Destruction in defiance of Cease Fire Conditions. He wasn't alone in that concern, informed Congressmen and Senators believed that Saddam had stockpiles of forbidden weapons. Why would Saddam play shell games with UN inspectors, if he had nothing to hide? Do you think that the President lied about Saddam violating no-fly zones and other acts of provocation? Many within the world's Intelligence Community also believed that Saddam had forbidden weapons, and his open support of international terrorism was no secret. Saddam was given ample opportunity to avoid resumption of the war, and he never believed that President Bush would actually do what he said that he would do. Bad guess on Saddam's part.

BUSH WAS WELL AWARE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF WMD, THAT THERE WAS SERIOUS QUESTIONS ON THE SO-CALLED NUCLEAR TUBES, THAT YELLOW CAKE WAS NOT SHIPPED TO IRAQ, ETC. HE DEFRAUDED CONGRESS.

Do you appreciate his deficits?

Deficit spending has been more common in our political history than balanced budgets. The debt for the Revolutionary War dragged on throughout most of the 19th century, and the Civil War debt was only retired sometime in the mid-20th century if memory serves. Increased deficits during times of national crisis and war are to be expected.

On the other hand, the National Debt is a major concern and it SHOULD be addressed and steps taken to reduce the rate of debt. I believe that only by re-examining and re-structuring our national non-discretionary budget priorities is there much hope for bringing debt into better control. This is not something one should expect of any President alone. The responsiblility for the problem rests with the Congress, not the President.

CLINTON PRODUCED SURPLUSES FOLLOWING THE MASSIVE DEFICITS OF REAGAN AND BUSH I. BUSH QUICKLY RESTORED THE MASSIVE DEFICITS THAT ARE THREATENING THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE USA.

Did you like the tax cuts that are so wildly skewed to benefit the super-wealthy?

Cutting taxes has in the past encouraged economic growth and when the GNP grows faster than the loss in tax revenues, the nation prospers. Heavy taxation, on the other hand, discourages investment and reduces the spending that fuels production. Personally, I think a flat tax with very few exemptions is better than a progressive tax. Why should one person pay 35% of their income in taxes, while another pays nothing? Let everyone pay 10% of their annual income. Prior to the 20th century the Federal government mostly found its revenue in the tariffs. Open, Free Markets and a world economy that is interlocking makes tariffs a bad bet, and so we now rely on personal taxes that would have horrified the Founders, or even the middle classes of 1906.

IT IS UNTRUE THAT TAX CUTS ARE A BIG SPUR TO ECONOMIC GROWTH. CLINTON RAISED TAXES ON THE WEALTHY AND WE HAD TREMENDOUS GROWTH. YOU CAN BE PROSPEROUS (LOOKING) SHOULD YOU SPEND BIG ON A CREDIT CARD. BUT YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT FOLLOWS.

Did you like his rejection of treaties, such as the one to reverse global warming?

The conduct of national diplomacy is given into the management of the President. Few treaties in our history have been universally acclaimed, or condemned. The U.S. may produce a lot of pollution, but it is also in the forefront of protecting the environment. The pollution and inefficiency of Chinese cars is notorious, is the Kyoto Treaty doing anything to reduce those emmitions? In South America huge portions of the Rain Forest are burned every year, where in the United States is anything similar happening? Much of the old Soviet Uniion is polluted with mercury, lead, and radioactive debris, but folks would rather condemn the U.S. for simply not "buying into" a treaty that would cost us more than it would return?

THERE IS NOT IN THE WAY OF INCENTIVES TO OTHER COUNTRIES TO FIGHT WARMING IF THE BIG GUY (THE USA) CONTINUES TO POLLUTE.

Did you like his failure to get more people covered under health insurance?

Yeah, I'd like to see a universal health plan that was affordable AND not managed by the Federal Government. The higher priority now is combating international terrorism and working toward a stable Irag. A universal health plan has been a dream of social reformers for at least half a century, and we're no closer today than in 1948. I don't blame any President for failing to "fix" a system that has gone completely off the tracks. I wouldn't even blame Hillary for failing in her grandiose plans to socialize the system. I'm not entirely sure that Federal attempts at controlling health care have not made the problem worse instead of better.

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Red Rex - -Sounds like you got a fish to fry or bird to roast and I don't think it is GB...

When the left is consistently wrong on almost every issue after a while anyone would be cooking.

REd, that comment makes about as much sense as your support of the brainless wonder.

I do believe that you must have intended to say "when the right is wrong on ever issue............."

Seems to me that it's the right that is having to eat crow on a daily basis.

Asherman wrote:

Was it his lying us into a war with Iraq?

What lie was that? The President was concerned that Saddam had so-called Weapons of Mass Destruction in defiance of Cease Fire Conditions. He wasn't alone in that concern, informed Congressmen and Senators believed that Saddam had stockpiles of forbidden weapons. Why would Saddam play shell games with UN inspectors, if he had nothing to hide? Do you think that the President lied about Saddam violating no-fly zones and other acts of provocation? Many within the world's Intelligence Community also believed that Saddam had forbidden weapons, and his open support of international terrorism was no secret. Saddam was given ample opportunity to avoid resumption of the war, and he never believed that President Bush would actually do what he said that he would do. Bad guess on Saddam's part.

Advocate wrote:
BUSH WAS WELL AWARE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF WMD, THAT THERE WAS SERIOUS QUESTIONS ON THE SO-CALLED NUCLEAR TUBES, THAT YELLOW CAKE WAS NOT SHIPPED TO IRAQ, ETC. HE DEFRAUDED CONGRESS.

In cases of starting a war, not informing congress and the American People the whole story to misguide and misinform is a LIE.

Do you appreciate his deficits?

Deficit spending has been more common in our political history than balanced budgets. The debt for the Revolutionary War dragged on throughout most of the 19th century, and the Civil War debt was only retired sometime in the mid-20th century if memory serves. Increased deficits during times of national crisis and war are to be expected.

On the other hand, the National Debt is a major concern and it SHOULD be addressed and steps taken to reduce the rate of debt. I believe that only by re-examining and re-structuring our national non-discretionary budget priorities is there much hope for bringing debt into better control. This is not something one should expect of any President alone. The responsiblility for the problem rests with the Congress, not the President.

Advocate wrote:
CLINTON PRODUCED SURPLUSES FOLLOWING THE MASSIVE DEFICITS OF REAGAN AND BUSH I. BUSH QUICKLY RESTORED THE MASSIVE DEFICITS THAT ARE THREATENING THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE USA.

Ashman and most Bush aplolgists forget that democrats performed much better than republican administrations on the economy.

Did you like the tax cuts that are so wildly skewed to benefit the super-wealthy?

Cutting taxes has in the past encouraged economic growth and when the GNP grows faster than the loss in tax revenues, the nation prospers. Heavy taxation, on the other hand, discourages investment and reduces the spending that fuels production. Personally, I think a flat tax with very few exemptions is better than a progressive tax. Why should one person pay 35% of their income in taxes, while another pays nothing? Let everyone pay 10% of their annual income. Prior to the 20th century the Federal government mostly found its revenue in the tariffs. Open, Free Markets and a world economy that is interlocking makes tariffs a bad bet, and so we now rely on personal taxes that would have horrified the Founders, or even the middle classes of 1906.

Advocate wrote:
IT IS UNTRUE THAT TAX CUTS ARE A BIG SPUR TO ECONOMIC GROWTH. CLINTON RAISED TAXES ON THE WEALTHY AND WE HAD TREMENDOUS GROWTH. YOU CAN BE PROSPEROUS (LOOKING) SHOULD YOU SPEND BIG ON A CREDIT CARD. BUT YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT FOLLOWS.

Tax cuts do not spur economic growth; all one needs to do is look at the history of democratic leadership vs republican leadership to see this to be wholely untrue. Once republicans latch onto a chorus, they don't know how to change it.


Did you like his rejection of treaties, such as the one to reverse global warming?

The conduct of national diplomacy is given into the management of the President. Few treaties in our history have been universally acclaimed, or condemned. The U.S. may produce a lot of pollution, but it is also in the forefront of protecting the environment. The pollution and inefficiency of Chinese cars is notorious, is the Kyoto Treaty doing anything to reduce those emmitions? In South America huge portions of the Rain Forest are burned every year, where in the United States is anything similar happening? Much of the old Soviet Uniion is polluted with mercury, lead, and radioactive debris, but folks would rather condemn the U.S. for simply not "buying into" a treaty that would cost us more than it would return?

Advocate wrote:
THERE IS NOT IN THE WAY OF INCENTIVES TO OTHER COUNTRIES TO FIGHT WARMING IF THE BIG GUY (THE USA) CONTINUES TO POLLUTE.

Our country represents only five percent of the world population, but consume the greatest percentage of raw materials and energy.

Did you like his failure to get more people covered under health insurance?

Yeah, I'd like to see a universal health plan that was affordable AND not managed by the Federal Government. The higher priority now is combating international terrorism and working toward a stable Irag. A universal health plan has been a dream of social reformers for at least half a century, and we're no closer today than in 1948. I don't blame any President for failing to "fix" a system that has gone completely off the tracks. I wouldn't even blame Hillary for failing in her grandiose plans to socialize the system. I'm not entirely sure that Federal attempts at controlling health care have not made the problem worse instead of better.

Advocate wrote:
THE HEALTH CARE SITUATION HAS GOTTEN WORSE, AND BUSH HAS DONE NOTHING TO REVERSE THIS.

Magginkat wrote:

Quote:

Red Rex - -Sounds like you got a fish to fry or bird to roast and I don't think it is GB...

When the left is consistently wrong on almost every issue after a while anyone would be cooking.

REd, that comment makes about as much sense as your support of the brainless wonder.

I do believe that you must have intended to say "when the right is wrong on ever issue............."

Seems to me that it's the right that is having to eat crow on a daily basis.

Mag...

..American conservatives have been on the wrong side of every major issue this country has ever faced...

...starting with the very first American conservatives...the Tories...who thought we owed our allegience to King George (things don't change much, do they?)...

...that he was our liege lord...and that revolution against England for Independence...

...was treason.


During the Civil War...the American conservatives argued that slaves were property...and that the government had no right to treat them other than as private property.



To be an American conservative is to have absolutely no self-respect.

Rex...you have no idea of how happy it makes me to see that you are essentially a Republican and conservative sympathizer.

You have no idea! :wink:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Rex...you have no idea of how happy it makes me to see that you are essentially a Republican and conservative sympathizer.

You have no idea! :wink:

I like conservative ideas rather than the anarchy of the left.

RexRed wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Rex...you have no idea of how happy it makes me to see that you are essentially a Republican and conservative sympathizer.

You have no idea! :wink:

I like conservative ideas rather than the anarchy of the left.

The country is founded on liberal ideals. The founders did not see these ideals as anarchy they saw them as freedom.

From NPR (note date):

Iraq
Bush Says New Budget Will Cut Deficit in Half
by Don Gonyea and Renée Montagne

Hear Full Audio of the Press Conference


President Bush gives his year-ending news conference . Reuters


Morning Edition, December 20, 2004 · In a White House press conference, President Bush says he will submit a budget that will halve the deficit in five years. And he responds to criticism of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's handling of the Iraq war. Hear NPR's Renee Montagne and NPR's Don Gonyea.



U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 04 Jul 2006 at 11:37:20 PM GMT is:

$8.4 trillion dollars

The estimated population of the United States is 299,038,945
so each citizen's share of this debt is $28,140.56.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.74 billion per day since September 30, 2005!Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House!

Is this another Buish lie?

Our economy is healthy there is no reason why the deficit can't go down.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Magginkat wrote:

Quote:

Red Rex - -Sounds like you got a fish to fry or bird to roast and I don't think it is GB...

When the left is consistently wrong on almost every issue after a while anyone would be cooking.

REd, that comment makes about as much sense as your support of the brainless wonder.

I do believe that you must have intended to say "when the right is wrong on ever issue............."

Seems to me that it's the right that is having to eat crow on a daily basis.

Mag...

..American conservatives have been on the wrong side of every major issue this country has ever faced...

...starting with the very first American conservatives...the Tories...who thought we owed our allegience to King George (things don't change much, do they?)...

...that he was our liege lord...and that revolution against England for Independence...

...was treason.


During the Civil War...the American conservatives argued that slaves were property...and that the government had no right to treat them other than as private property.



To be an American conservative is to have absolutely no self-respect.

Frank it just so happens that I am a moderate who is a registered republican.

And the left has been wrong on every issue... this is why you are living in Bush country because the dems can't hold on to their base. What the heck do any of them stand for? Unbridled abortion and such?

Lincoln "eventually" freed the slaves. And he was fought on "both" sides.

I like to think I am more like him. I want what is right and not what any particular party dictates.

I am a republican ONLY because most republicans believe in God and that is the main reason. Also dems are FAR too steeped in special interest. Other than that I am a moderate right square down the middle.

Even as an orthodox moderate I still think the left has been off the deep end since Al Gore...

Only until recently have they dropped some of their obstructionists ways and began to actually reform a few of our nations problems.

This is why congress has been so unfavorable in polls is because they have not been doing "anything" and they are not doing anything because of the political obstruction tactics and politics of the left.

Even with a republican majority the dems have still managed havoc on the progress and side stepped their duty to the American people.