Why do you still support Bush?

Better than tax and spend crazy like the dems do.

I am moderate I assure you. When the left get too left I say something, when the right get too right I say something. If I wasn't here there would be one big cat fight that would never cease. That is until one of you won, then God help us all.

Rex wrote:
Better than tax and spend crazy like the dems do.


Maggs, Rex is a far right conservative if ever there was one! He still thinks the liberals are the tax and spend party, when the facts tell us the republicans are the party that creates the largest federal deficits.

When they start talking some sense, we might even consider he's telling the truth - about being a moderate. ROFLMAO

That is because democrats lead us into recession.

The left's "special interest" = big government and too many dems hands in the pie.

Red, do you suffer from the same kind of brain damage as Chicken George? You remind me of Tricky Dick #2 (Cheney) who continues to spread the lies about WMD's in Iraq, even after the AWOL wonder admitted that there were none!

OR, Are you a robot?

Maggs, As the following graph shows, the republicans have been responsible for most of the debt since WWII.

Here's why the national debt matters:

Why The National Debt Matters To You


By Jill S. Farrell
October 24, 2003

First, lets take care of some vocabulary. The deficit is the fiscal year difference between what the Government takes in from taxes and other revenues, and the amount of money the Government spends. Think of the total debt as deficits plus accumulated surpluses.

Deficits require the Treasury to borrow money to raise cash needed to keep the Government operating. Money is borrowed by selling Treasury securities like T-bills, notes, bonds and savings bonds.

"We are putting our children in debt. It must be stopped." These are the vigorous words heard from politicians of all stripes when talking about the national debt and the budget deficit. The problem is that one person's pork is another's bacon - or possibly bread and butter.
In the not too distant past, there was a bitter contest over the Federal budget. It triggered a deep concern over the rocketing growth of our astronomical national debt. In the late '90's the news was filled with reports of the Titanic clashes between the Congress and President Clinton over the Federal budget. This fierce confrontation even resulted in the laughable-if-it-wasn't-so-sad shutdown of non-essential Federal services. Only bit of fast thinking at the helm combined with some legerdemain from Robert Rubin kept the U.S. financially afloat and saved us from the embarrassment and complications of international default on Federal debts.
We seem to have gotten complacent since then. Today over $1,000 in taxes per year must be collected for every man, woman and child in the United States simply to pay the interest on the national debt. All other Federal activities have a hard time competing with the line item for Federal debt service.
The public debt is currently growing at nearly a billion dollars a day! That is thousands of dollars per second! It's nearly inconceivable. Try blinking your eyes. There went $5,000-$10,000.
It may seem as if the national debt is a nebulous topic with little impact on you, your family or your place of employment. You may have faith in the elected officials you have put into office to watch over just such issues. Many people feel that their one voice is too small to make any real difference. Not true. Here is an example of how it affects you: About 25 cents out of every dollar of total tax revenue collected is immediately wolfed down by the hideous interest on the Federal debt. You don't "get" anything for the first 25% of your tax assessment. Picture a teen gone wild with the family credit card. It's all fun and games until the family struggles to keep up with minimum payments and the interest that keeps growing like some monster from an old "B" movie.
A substantial amount of money simply vanishes from constructive use. It cannot be re-invested in the economy in any way. You certainly cannot invest it to secure your future. No company will experience the opportunity to grow and create jobs because of your investment. You cannot spend it and thereby directly stimulate the economy. Twenty-five percent of your tax assessment is jettisoned into the black hole of Federal debt service.
Some of your neighbors and even some multi-national companies or foreign governments can be recipients of these interest payments. They may put these funds back into our economy by purchasing goods and services. But for the most part, a substantial portion of the average American family income is evaporating under the hot sun of the interest on this "family debt".
And on this farm we have some pigs. Ee I Ee I Oh. Their names are Duplicative, Outdated, and Wasteful. We can pen them up and keep them from running wild and taking over the farm and the entire neighborhood. By getting these three unruly critters under control, we can reduce the Federal debt! When that happens, everybody wins. Our hope for a stable financial future for this country currently resides within Senate bill S. 837, introduced by Senator Sam Brownback, and subsequently in the House as H.R.3213 by Representative Todd Tiahrt. Based On the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) model, and known as the Commission on the Accountability and Review of Federal Agencies Act (CARFA), the bills have as their purpose: "to establish a commission to conduct a comprehensive review of federal agencies and programs and to recommend the elimination or realignment of duplicative, wasteful, or outdated functions..."

By forcing Congress to vote up-or-down on a commission's recommendations in their entirety, the congressional log-rolling that normally protects spending and waste can be short-circuited. Real reform can emerge, and the deficit and debt problems can be brought under control. S. 837 and H.R.3213 offer Congress and the Administration a viable political penning solution for the three pigs of the apocalypse.

Senator Brownback is working to get a vote on the bill for early next year. It would be great to see a sub-committee and a hearing soon -- before the November adjournment.

This is a project that deserves enthusiastic support. Co-sponsors to a bill are critically important to its passage. Senators Dole (R - NC), Bond (R - MO), Shelby (R - AL) and Coleman (R - MN) are likely to sign on when they realize how important CARFA is to the grassroots.

In the House, Congressman Burton (R - IN), Davis (R -VA), Schrock (R -VA), Ryun (R - KS), Pitts (R - PA) and DeLay (R -TX) wouldn't suffer from a little encouragement.

Every voice counts.

The national debt affects you in more ways than you may realize, and there is more that you can do about it than you may be giving yourself credit for. CARFA offers a reasonable first step to curb runaway Federal spending.

Jill S. Farrell is Director of Communications for the Free Congress Foundation.

Rex and his conservative companions don't understand a simple economic principle; the national debt will become due sooner or later. As the debt increases, so does the interest payments to the holders of bonds - most of which are held by China and Japan.

The interest liability only grows and takes a greater portion out of spending for our needs to maintain our countries infrastructure, security, transportation, social security, and medicare.

Although our economy seems to have plugged along rasonably well, it's because most consumers took out second mortgages from their homes to "maintain" their standard of living as their income didn't keep up with inflation about the time Bush took over the white house. That's also the reason why the uninsured for health plans increased from 40 million to 45 million during the past seven years in the US; more companies dropped or increased the copayments for health insurance.

With the increase in interest rates on personal loans and mortgages, we will begin to experience more bankruptcies and late payments on credit cards.

When consumption begins to drop, it will affect our whole economy in dramatic ways; tax revenue for all levels of government will also decrease.

Everybody will begin to feel the pain - sooner or later, but it's only a matter of time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

BTW John Kerry on national television admitted the other night that before he had run for prez he had been bought off by the oil companies...

In his weak defence he admitted that Bush had been too and so had Clinton...

This seems to be a problem on both sides. This is why we are so dependant on foreign oil.

Someone has to put a stop to the oil companies on the monopoly of our presidents and public officials.

That was another one of my "moderate" comments...

I have allot more where that one came from.

Any link for that?

It was in a very RARE interview with Alan colmes on Fox News. about 5 nights ago.

I was livid after he said that.

It made me angry with all the presidents actually. Including Bush which is rare for me. I usually have faith in him and he is just going along with the crowd. But I kinda thought he was above that.

With oil companies making record profits as we are now being held over a barrel by foreign oil. It is shameful.

Both sides are to blame... Maybe I should have voted for Nader.

Alan Colmes asked Kerry why Brazil was independent of oil and John Kerry admitted he had been bought off by oil contributions and mentioned Clinton and George as definitively doing the exact same.

For once I believe him. He didn't flip flop when he accepted the money...

I cannot tell you how burned up this makes me.

I wonder If Gore would have been immune to this type of lobbying? Probably NOT!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173643,00.html

I was wondering that myself Walter.

Maybe Rex is saying Kerry took campaign funds from oil companies. (Not the same as being "bought off." but it might mean that in some circles.)

Nothing in there about oil companies or Brazil Rex.

It seems they cut the oil comments out of the interview.

I watched the interview on TV and Kerry admitted to being bought off...

I am sure it was legally done but it still happened.

I actually couldn't believe my ears and it has stuck with me for days.

He said Clinton and Bush have been bought off too as if that made it ok...

This was his explanation to Alan as to why we are not oil independent like Brazil...

Enough keywords to do a search finally..
it wasn't Hannity, it was Oreilly.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201705,00.html

Interesting how Kerry said just the opposite of he was bought off.

Reading the interview, it doesn't come close to what you claimed Rex.

The were all bought off... can't be any more simpler than that.

Kerry admitted to taking oil money too...