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The Worst President in History?

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 08:38 am
Advocate wrote:
Brandon, JTT recently said, in so many words, that Bush was a bad president. Bernie responded:

A song PROVES anything? How ridiculous and juvenile.

There is clear evidence that the left wing is wrong.

2000- Bush elected President

2002- GOP gains seats in an off year in House and Senate.

2004- Bush elected President

The people of the United States have spoken. The leftwing extremists think the people were wrong. That's irrelevant. The people are the final judges!!!!!!


And I have seen others on the right similarly respond that winning elections is all that counts.

I concede that this roughly fits your claim. You are right that winning doesn't make one good, right, or successful in one's position.

However, it may be valid to assert that continued election victory by a group indicates at least that many people disagree with your criticism. It doesn't negate the conclusion, but it does, at least indicate that the conclusion isn't so obvious to everyone.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 09:25 am
Advocate wrote:
Brandon, JTT recently said, in so many words, that Bush was a bad president. Bernie responded:

A song PROVES anything? How ridiculous and juvenile.

There is clear evidence that the left wing is wrong.

2000- Bush elected President

2002- GOP gains seats in an off year in House and Senate.

2004- Bush elected President

The people of the United States have spoken. The leftwing extremists think the people were wrong. That's irrelevant. The people are the final judges!!!!!!


And I have seen others on the right similarly respond that winning elections is all that counts.


Advocate: For clarity in future posts, "Bernie" -- at least in my mind -- corresponds to "blatham."
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 10:24 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate: For clarity in future posts, "Bernie" -- at least in my mind -- corresponds to "blatham."


Advocate, it's hardly necessary for you to adjust your postings to satisfy one person with the attention span of a gnat.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:31 am
Blatham has been a regular at this site and on these political threads for several years. As result many of us associate the name "Bernie" with Blatham. Now we have a new participant also being called "Bernie", and it is confusing. "Bernie" Blatham is a transplanted Canadian who believes (I think) that the moral fiber of the United States has been murdered by the Republican Party dominated by rich Holy Rollers who dream of Empire, and President Bush, the very dregs of humanity. Our new "Bernie" is just a tad more conservative than than. Both give us their own opinions of things rather than post lengthy quotes from the Commentariat, or one-line insults.

Personally I have little trouble telling them apart, but it would be handy if we found a different nickname for one or the other. It might be sort of interesting to see what other non-offending nicknames we all can come up with for each of the two.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:42 am
Asherman wrote:
... Personally I have little trouble telling them apart,


It's nice to know that your attention span is somewhat longer than that of a gnat, Asherman. Smile

But your synopsis of Bernie's offerings on the USA illustrate an extremely shoddy analysis designed to do exactly what tico is so famous for; lead the discussion away from the truth with any old piece or pile of BS you can muster.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:58 am
Bearnie, smernie.

Keep it easy for everyone.

Blatham = Bernie

Bernard = Massagatto
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Asherman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:59 am
Thats not analysis, its description.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 12:00 pm
The kind of guy Bernie (Blatham) is; when he visited us here in Albuquerque, we keep some beer (Fat Tire pale ale) around and Bernie had a few while he was here when he left we had more beer than when he arrived. He is definitely not a republican.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 12:05 pm
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Graphic_remarks/noted%20Republican%20Presidents.jpg
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 12:13 pm
Asherman wrote:
Thats not analysis, its description.


That leaves us with the distinct impression, Asherman, that your description is as bad as your analysis.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 12:26 pm
Asherman wrote:
Thats not analysis, its description.


Here's another description for you, Sir.

Quote:


Upon returning to the United States, Kirkpatrick, who also is an assistant professor of anesthesiology a the University of South Florida, began to analyze the health crisis and concluded that its primary cause was the US embargo. With the help of his supervisor, Dr. Robert Bedford, Kirkpatrick published his findings in the Nov. 30, 1996 issue of The Lancet, a British medical journal. He wrote that the US embargo and "the resultant lack of food and medicine to Cuba contributed to the worst epidemic of neurological disease this century."

This disease, Kirkpatrick says, is identical to the syndrome found among American GIs who faced starvation in Japanese POW camps during World War II. Describing the syndrome as a "zone" that one passes through - "the twilight between dying and living" - Kirkpatrick explains that a vitamin deficiency produces progressively more severe neurological symptoms, ranging from anxiety and nervousness to the devastating symptoms he saw in Cuba.

"I thought that would be enough - to publish that there was a crime against humanity being perpetrated by the United States, my own country, against people 90 miles away," he says.

It wasn't. In May 1997, the State Department released a press statement disputing Kirkpatrick's claims and blaming the crisis on the Castro government's "continued adherence to a discredited communist economic model."

"I was reading this and I said to myself, 'My God, they just flat lied,' " Kirkpatrick says. He contacted the State Department, requesting that they verify their information or retract their press statement, but to no avail.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/cuba/cuba12.htm



Guess what happened next. Was this little misunderstanding cleared up? Read on.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 01:07 pm
I must really apologize------

I really don't apologize often but this time I must.

Reading past posts, I just learned that Mr. Blatham had a serious heart attack where he was practically revived from the dead and then had stents placed in his heart arteries.

I will never critizise Mr. Blatham again.

I emphatize strongly.

My brother, only 41 years old, had a severe heart attack just six months ago and like Mr. Blatham lost consciousness and had two stents placed in his heart arteries. He is now recovered but is not the same man. He is having great difficulties in his work and is always depressed.

Therefore, I apoligize to Mr. Blatham and will never critisize him again.

I understand, feel sorry for him and hope he recovers completely!!!!
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 02:18 pm
Get feeling well soon, Blatham.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 02:22 pm
Oh, I just figured out that it wasn't a recent heart problem. But keep feeling well anyhoo, Blatham.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 02:17 am
I am very much afraid that most of the posters who have attempted to denigrate Ms. Harris for her part in the election of 2000 really have no idea of what they are talking about. As Brandon 1000 alluded to the fact that she was following the law.

A source, far more learned than any of her critics here on these threads and one that agrees with Brandon 1000 is the learned and highly respected legal scholar, Judge Richard Posner who wrote in his book-
Breaking the Deadlock--

P. 104

quote

"The fact that Harris and Roberts are Republicans and that their rulings favored Bush's candidacy did not disentitle those rulings to the normal judicial defenence granted to determinations that are WITHIN THE SCOPE OF AN AGENCY'S AUTHORITY AND DRAW ON ITS SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE"

end of quote
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Aug, 2006 06:53 am
Quote:
Bush is crap, Prescott tells Labour MPs

Will Woodward, chief political correspondent
Thursday August 17, 2006
The Guardian


John Prescott faced further embarrassment last night after it was claimed that he had described George Bush as "crap" in a private meeting with Labour MPs.
The deputy prime minister criticised the US president when he met six backbenchers to discuss the terror crisis on Tuesday. Harry Cohen, MP for Leyton and Wanstead, told the Independent Mr Prescott had called Mr Bush "crap".

Last night one of those present at the meeting told the Guardian: "He used disparaging remarks but I think Harry has been very foolish to relay that. It was a private meeting where he [Mr Prescott] was forthright, put it that way."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour/story/0,,1851980,00.html

This is a curious bit. Not the "crap" part which a lot of us intuit goes on rather more commonly than public presentation politics hint at. There also seems to be a struggle for power with Reid at the center. Something I read earlier this week pointed to Murdoch's fingers messing about in this pie. As I run into more (or less) on this, I'll note it here.

Any of you english folk got info?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 01:07 am
Furthermore, When Rep. Harris was sued, when she was the Secretary of State, according to Richard Posner--"Breaking the Deadlock"--P. 115

quote--Judge N. Sander Sauls,,,threw out the suit and ruiled that Gore had failed to show that the canvassing boards had abused thier discretion, either the Palm Beach board in its methods of recounting or the Miami-Dade board in deciding not to complete the recount that it had begun. GORE'S HOPE SEEMED DASHED, FOR EVEN IF SAULS WAS REVERSED, IT SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE THAT THE CONTEST PROCEEDING COULD BE COMPLETED BY DECEMBER 12, THE SAFE HARBOR DEADLINE, NOW JUST A WEEK AWAY"
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END OF QUOTE
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 02:53 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
Bush is crap, Prescott tells Labour MPs

Will Woodward, chief political correspondent
Thursday August 17, 2006
The Guardian


John Prescott faced further embarrassment last night after it was claimed that he had described George Bush as "crap" in a private meeting with Labour MPs.
The deputy prime minister criticised the US president when he met six backbenchers to discuss the terror crisis on Tuesday. Harry Cohen, MP for Leyton and Wanstead, told the Independent Mr Prescott had called Mr Bush "crap".

Last night one of those present at the meeting told the Guardian: "He used disparaging remarks but I think Harry has been very foolish to relay that. It was a private meeting where he [Mr Prescott] was forthright, put it that way."
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labour/story/0,,1851980,00.html

This is a curious bit. Not the "crap" part which a lot of us intuit goes on rather more commonly than public presentation politics hint at. There also seems to be a struggle for power with Reid at the center. Something I read earlier this week pointed to Murdoch's fingers messing about in this pie. As I run into more (or less) on this, I'll note it here.

Any of you english folk got info?


Quote:
Labour agrees: Bush is crap

The Independent asked a group of Labour MPs what they though of John Prescott's outburst

Published: 18 August 2006

Ian Davidson Glasgow South West MP

"I think that John Prescott is to be commended for the quality of his political analysis. His comment on American policy is brief and accurate. Britain has got to ensure that it is no longer seen as simply being the glove puppet of the United States."

Glenda Jackson Hampstead and Highgate MP

"I entirely endorse his view. This is why Parliament should be recalled. This government is failing miserably as far as our approach towards the Middle East is concerned. We are simply... bag carriers for Bush and all his policies have been a disaster."

David Crausby Bolton North East MP

"One of the most disappointing aspects of the Iraq resolution is that we stuck our neck out and supported the Americans... on the understanding that the road map would be there but it's not been delivered at all. It's virtually been forgotten."

Ann Cryer Keighley MP

"I have no doubt that there is a very large number of Labour MPs who will be agreeing with what John Prescott is alleged to have said. I agree with it. There is huge concern and this goes right across the Labour back bench."

Jim Sheridan Paisley and Renfrewshire North MP

"I think he is right. I don't think the Americans have given the road map the priority it deserves and until you solve the problem of Palestine, other problems are going to appear. Every time Palestine comes up the agenda it gets... put on the back-burner."

Peter Kilfoyle Liverpool Walton MP

"What he is reported to have said reflects the views of many people in the Labour Party. It may not go down well in international diplomacy... but in the Labour Party it will be welcomed as a rare flash of honesty from a senior member of the Government."

Ken Livingstone Mayor of London

"I have no idea what John Prescott did or did not say since it was a private conversation, but... the current US administration has been a disaster for the American people and has done untold damage not only to international relations but to the environment."

Jon Trickett Hemsworth MP

"The actions and language of the British Government are actively hindering the prospects for peace in the Middle East; simultaneously enhancing the threat from terrorism... Our historic influence with Arab countries has been squandered."

John Austin Erith and Thamesmead MP

"If John Prescott did say it, then it touches a chord with many of us... American foreign policy is a major contributor to the crisis in the Middle East... and its failure to ensure adherence to UN resolutions regarding Palestine, and its failure to progress the road map."

Martin Salter Reading West MP

"It is abundantly clear that the Bush administration has been less than enthusiastic in pursuing the Middle East road map, and indeed many of its policies have actually inflamed the situation rather than sought to resolve this long-standing conflict."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article1220089.ece
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 07:41 am
This guy just can't help himself with his need to play dress up.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/0b2e6cc1-9458-47ea-a330-236ba88ec390_sp.jpeg


Quote:
President Bush toured a Harley Davidson plant, rode his heart out (on a stationary bike) and sported some way cool sunglasses.


Video

Quote:
YORK, Pa. - President Bush hopped on a Harley-Davidson at a motorcycle factory Wednesday as he made an election-year pitch for Republican stewardship of the economy.

The president also was in Pennsylvania to raise cash for a GOP hopeful in the state's gubernatorial campaign.


Cheers and applause erupted inside the Harley-Davidson Inc. vehicle operations plant here when Bush straddled a high-end model painted blue and white and revved its engine again and again. Climbing down, he ripped off blue-tinted safety glasses that he insisted made him look like rock star Bono and jokingly struck a pose intended to show a hip side.


"I'm just looking so far," Bush said during a tour of the plant where 3,200 employees work around the clock on shiny motorcycles that move slowly around the assembly floor on tracks. "I'll let Josh Bolten ride these things," Bush said of his chief of staff, known as a motorcycle enthusiast.


After the tour, Bush held a round-table discussion with Harley-Davidson workers about the U.S. economy, which has showed recent signs of slowing. The president said he discussed with the workers the need for government to open up markets for U.S. products around the world.


"The more Harleys sold in a place like Vietnam or China or India, the more likely that somebody is going to be able to find work," Bush said.


An AP-Ipsos poll in early August showed about 37 percent supported Bush's handling of the economy. That matches his lowest level in May 2006 and November 2005, but not that different from the last few months.


The Labor Department on Wednesday reported that consumer inflation accelerated in July, reflecting a big jump in gasoline and other energy prices. In evidence that the economy is slowing, industrial output in July slipped to just half the June pace.


Later, Bush traveled to Lancaster to raise much-needed money for former Pittsburgh Steelers star Lynn Swann, who is carrying GOP hopes for an upset over incumbent Gov. Ed Rendell, a Democrat. Swann trails Rendell in fundraising and the polls.


Swann, who was co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign's African-American steering committee in 2004, says he's not worried about Bush's lukewarm popularity. Bush was speaking at a fundraiser where donors will pay $10,000 for a private reception and photo opportunity with the president and $650 a person or $1,000 a couple for a general reception.


As of early June, Rendell had raised nearly $20 million less than half of what he spent in his 2002 campaign and roughly four times the amount Swann has amassed.


"Swann needs President Bush to help win back those Republicans who are backing Rendell," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of Quinnipiac University's polling institute. "Also, the president can help raise the kind of money Swann needs to take on a well-financed Democratic incumbent."


source
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 02:49 am
revel wrote:
concerning George W. Bush
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This guy just can't help himself with his need to play dress up.
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You may be right, revel, but I prefer a president who plays dress up to a smirking narcissistic skirt chaser who accepts oral sex from a woman young enough to be his daughter IN THEOVAL OFFICE!

Kennedy, at least, had the good sense to leave the Oval Office on his sexual adventures!!!
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