The Worst President in History?

Brandon9000 wrote:

Advocate wrote:
I wonder whether Bernie hit his head when he parachuted into Nam.

Conservatives post actual asssertions with arguments, which may or may not be accompanied by name calling.

This isn't an argument. It's an unsupported conclusion. Do you include ALL conservatives within this unsupported conclusion or just SOME conservatives?

Brandon wrote:

Liberals post only name calling and distractions.

This isn't an argument. It's an unsupported conclusion. Do you include ALL liberals within this unspported conclusion or just SOME liberals?

Your argument has as much merit as saying white people are hard working people who may or may not be racist whereas black people are lazy and racist.

You have no credibility, Brandon.

Brandon wrote:

When asked to provide evidince, they say, "Oh, we've already provided so much of it, I'm not going to repeat it here." You can bet that their post won't respond to the actual assertion of the post that they're replying to. Allegedly clever jibes do not an argument make.

Brandon, you have a reputation for consistently ignoring all the evidence that other posters provide to support their arguments. Accordingly, people are not going to repeat and recreate entire threads for your sake.

When you demonstrate that you are able to structure an appropriate argument--and you haven't done so yet (see, e.g., your conservatives vs. liberals argument above)--then maybe your criticisms of others will be taken seriously.

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Advocate wrote:

It is really disgusting when the right swift-boats the likes of John Murtha. He is a combat veteran who was wounded in action. On the other side we have Bush, who deserted from the Guard, Cheney, a serial deferment guy, Rove, a certified sleazeball, et al. Mehlman, especially, should have his mouth taped.

Lets get this right.
Bush did not desert.
He did however,recieve an honorable discharge.
That means he completed his service.

Sorry,but thats the truth,no matter how you try and spin it.

As for Murtha,he is entitled to his opinion,as are you.
I do however,have to ask a question.

Does a person have to be a combat veteran who was wounded in action to have an opinion?
And does that mean that his opinion is MORE valid then someone that is not a veteran?
Is the opinion of any combat veteran who was wounded in action more valid and more correct then a non-veteran or a vet that never saw combat?

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For a good overview of how these slippery ones operate, the ticos, the foxys, the MMs, the okies, the finns, take a look at this video of one of their mentors, Bill O'Lielly

Video at

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

entitled,

John Dean on O'Reilly - Another Dodge of the Subject at Hand

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JTT,

What was "slippery" about my questions?
They are simple questions.

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mysteryman wrote:

JTT,

What was "slippery" about my questions?
They are simple questions.

You thought I meant you, Mysteryman. Perish the thought. MM stands for Marilyn Manson.

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JTT wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
JTT,

What was "slippery" about my questions?
They are simple questions.

You thought I meant you, Mysteryman. Perish the thought. MM stands for Marilyn Manson.

I have no idea who Marilyn Manson is,but I did find this...

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_77112.html

I will give you credit though,for trying to cover your ass.

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Brandon--I am sorry to tell you this but you are finished- through-washed up-done for. You have been excoriated by the most brilliant constitutional mind on these threads- Debra L A W!!! Don't you know who she is? Why anyone calling herself Debra L A W must be a legal genius.

She isn't really, Brandon, she just thinks she is. She probably got her degree from Nova Law School and now thinks that because she took a constitutional law course she can lecture everybody on these threads.

Well, she learned, after I took her apart on the Abortion threads a few months ago, that she doesn't know everything. In fact, as a liberal and as,I am sure, a camp follower of the "Critical Legal Studies" group, she knows only the left wing garbage and not the black letter law!!!

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Brandon 9000 wrote:

Conservatives post actual asssertions with arguments, which may or may not be accompanied by name calling. Liberals post only name calling and distractions. When asked to provide evidince, they say, "Oh, we've already provided so much of it, I'm not going to repeat it here." You can bet that their post won't respond to the actual assertion of the post that they're replying to. Allegedly clever jibes do not an argument make.
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Despite the ridiculous sophistry posted by Debra L A W, Brandon 9000, you are, on the whole, correct. If you will note-there are liberals who rarely give any links or evidence or documentation. They also will not read your evidence because, most of the time, it will destroy their preconceptions.

I read the links posted by liberals and I often reply to them. I have found, Brandon 9000,that when they begin to call names like Moro. or As. or jer. (See Cicerone Imposter, Frank Apisa and Kuvasz posts) you have won the argument!!

Keep posting, Brandon9000, there are many who read all of your posts and agree with most of them!!!

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Song: Bad President - Yikes McGee

"We've got a president so bad,
Gotta be the worst we ever had,
...

http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/lwwsongspage.html

Click on song #7.

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A song PROVES anything? How ridiculous and juvenile.

There is clear evidence that the left wing is wrong.

2000- Bush elected President

2002- GOP gains seats in an off year in House and Senate.

2004- Bush elected President

The people of the United States have spoken. The leftwing extremists think the people were wrong. That's irrelevant. The people are the final judges!!!!!!

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Poppycock -- just the erroneously disenfranchised voters in Florida would have given Gore the state with 574,000 hits on Google explaining:

2000 Election Disenfranchised Voters

Katherine Harris who assisted in devising the voter coup in Florida has now lost support of the Republican party and he (sic) is far behind in the polls in the run for junior senator.

The voting debacle of the past 6 years may or may not be repeated this year with the flawed Diebold machines to be used in the majority of states. Let's hope they make their mistakes in the right direction.

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The Harris case and the Myers case are educative. Loyalty is uniquely important to the way this administration functions (perhaps an equally acute, if less broad, example can be found with Nixon's WH) yet it falls junior to accretion or maintenance of power.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Poppycock -- just the erroneously disenfranchised voters in Florida would have given Gore the state with 574,000 hits on Google explaining:

2000 Election Disenfranchised Voters

Katherine Harris who assisted in devising the voter coup in Florida has now lost support of the Republican party and he (sic) is far behind in the polls in the run for junior senator.

The voting debacle of the past 6 years may or may not be repeated this year with the flawed Diebold machines to be used in the majority of states. Let's hope they make their mistakes in the right direction.

So,if the voters vote for repubs,then that is just a "mistake"?
If there is a race somewhere that has no dems even running in it,do the voters have your permission to vote for the repub candidate,or are they not supposed to vote at all?

In any election,do the voters have your permission to vote for the candidate of their choice,or not?

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In many states, if you are only allowed to vote for the candidates outside your party in the primaries unless registered as an independent (those opposing party candidates aren't even on the ballot in California). Haven't tallied those lately. As far as those voting by mistake for a Republican which likely occurred with the notoriously confusing butterfly ballots (unfortunately designed by an inept Democrat and passed off as elderly voter Alzheimers), it's those not allowed to vote because of an erroneous judgement on their qualification plus many other things that occurred in Florida. This includes the USSC basically ending up picking the candidate who won on a split vote, yet. True, this is water under the bridge but the narrow margin that Bush won gave him no mandate. Only 9-ll gave him the mandate to invade Afghanistan, as any sensible presiding President would have done, but not Iraq, clouded by false intelligence and the increasingly idiotic idea that democracy will trump a theocracy in Iraq or any other Muslim state.

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I have seen a number of rightists say that a politician is successful if he or she gets elected. To them, it is immaterial how badly the politician performed in office, or how much the person damaged the country. Under this standard, I guess Bush must be judged as successful.

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Lightwizard wrote:

Poppycock -- just the erroneously disenfranchised voters in Florida would have given Gore the state with 574,000 hits on Google explaining:

2000 Election Disenfranchised Voters

Katherine Harris who assisted in devising the voter coup in Florida has now lost support of the Republican party and he (sic) is far behind in the polls in the run for junior senator.

The voting debacle of the past 6 years may or may not be repeated this year with the flawed Diebold machines to be used in the majority of states. Let's hope they make their mistakes in the right direction.

You don't know what the grand total of ALL disenfranchised voters, and all votes not counted once a state result was known to a certainty would do. Bush won according to the rules. You may say that Katherine Harris perpetrated a coup, but it's just name calling unless you have some facts to back it up. I think she simply obeyed the voting rules as they appeared on the books. So did the Supreme Court.

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Advocate wrote:

I have seen a number of rightists say that a politician is successful if he or she gets elected. To them, it is immaterial how badly the politician performed in office, or how much the person damaged the country. Under this standard, I guess Bush must be judged as successful.

Please provide a citation to any post in which someone on A2K said that a politician is successful in office if he gets elected. A politician is successful in an election if he gets elected.

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Debra_Law wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
Advocate wrote:
I wonder whether Bernie hit his head when he parachuted into Nam.

Conservatives post actual asssertions with arguments, which may or may not be accompanied by name calling.

This isn't an argument. It's an unsupported conclusion. Do you include ALL conservatives within this unsupported conclusion or just SOME conservatives?

I never presented it as anything other than an unsupported conclusion. I suppose it would have been sensible for me to review every post in the board's history and present the numerical result. As anyone with any sense would have understood, I am saying that this is what I have observed. Obviously (to even a small child) I am talking about the trend, and not 100% of the posts by these groups.

Debra_Law wrote:

Brandon wrote:
Liberals post only name calling and distractions.

This isn't an argument. It's an unsupported conclusion. Do you include ALL liberals within this unspported conclusion or just SOME liberals?

Your argument has as much merit as saying white people are hard working people who may or may not be racist whereas black people are lazy and racist.

Same as above. I am stating what I have observed here, and I'm right.

Debra_Law wrote:

You have no credibility, Brandon.

Brandon wrote:
When asked to provide evidince, they say, "Oh, we've already provided so much of it, I'm not going to repeat it here." You can bet that their post won't respond to the actual assertion of the post that they're replying to. Allegedly clever jibes do not an argument make.

It's perfectly normal for me to characterize my personal experience as a poster/reader of this board.

Debra_Law wrote:

Brandon, you have a reputation for consistently ignoring all the evidence that other posters provide to support their arguments. Accordingly, people are not going to repeat and recreate entire threads for your sake....

Only among some of the people who disagree with me. I have a great reputation among the people who agree with me. You argue like a child.

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Brandon, JTT recently said, in so many words, that Bush was a bad president. Bernie responded:

A song PROVES anything? How ridiculous and juvenile.

There is clear evidence that the left wing is wrong.

2000- Bush elected President

2002- GOP gains seats in an off year in House and Senate.

2004- Bush elected President

The people of the United States have spoken. The leftwing extremists think the people were wrong. That's irrelevant. The people are the final judges!!!!!!

And I have seen others on the right similarly respond that winning elections is all that counts.

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There is an article that was printed in the Rolling Stone magazine by Bobby Kennedy Jr. that provides the evidence, with links, about the questionable honesty of the 2004 election results in general and the Florida election results in particular.
TITLE: Was The 2004 Election Stolen?
DATE: 01.June.2006
LINK: http://www.rollingstone.com/

One can believe the article or not but there were way too many irregularities in both the 2000 and 2004 elections for a reasonable person not to question whether the elections were rigged or not.

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