Who said anything about "commonly held belief?" Where did you hear me say FDR was my hero? That's the problem with you righties; always expressing opinions about others even though we never said it. Do you enjoy putting words into people's mouths that much? You should get a puppet like Bush.
okie wrote:
Contrast this with FDR rounding up tens of thousands at least, I don't know the total number, and placed them in work camps, could be called concentration camps, confiscated their property, and placed them at hard labor......and what was their crime? ..... for having a last name or heritage of Japanese descent or of other descent considered a possible threat to us. Most of these people were American citizens. Imposter, people of your political agenda give FDR a pass, hardly a mention of this, he is still your hero apparently. Not only this, Imposter, I know from talking to vets that it was not unusual for their mail and personal letters to be opened and read, personal letters that they sent from where they were back home.
ROFLMAO: This guys trying to tell me about those US concentration camps during WWII. Where do these people come from?
okie continues with:
"...but I think honest people know he is doing the best he can, which is far better than most people that could have had the job, in my opinion."
"doing the best he can..." only confirms this guys is a moron. What has he done that's ever turned out okay for Americans or for the world?
"...which is far better than most people that could have had the job." That's the reason why the majority of history professors rated him a "failure."
"..in my opinion." is where your problem begins and ends. You haven't watched the destruction metted out by the Bush administration, the lies he told, and the "fear" factor he uses to keep his sheep in line.
War in Iraq: FAILURE
Economy: FAILURE
Drug plan for seniors: FAILURE
Social Security bankruptcy: LIE
New Orelands disaster: FAILURE
"I'm a uniter, not a divider" LIE
"Major combat operations are over" LIE
"We have continued progress in Iraq" LIE
Gas and energy prices: We ain't seen noth'n yet!
Stock market: Lost over 300 points last week.
Jobs: Mostly in the service industry that pays <$10./hour.
More than five million more Americans do not have health insurance.
This administration spends more efforts on 1) gay and lesbian marriage, 2) delay/restrict stem cell research, 3) burning the American flag, 4) save the life of a brain damaged woman, 5) the Patriot Act, and 6) going on vacation.
So lemme get this straight, C.I. -
You
don't like George W. Bush, and his administration?
cicerone imposter wrote:okie wrote:
Contrast this with FDR rounding up tens of thousands at least, I don't know the total number, and placed them in work camps, could be called concentration camps, confiscated their property, and placed them at hard labor......and what was their crime? ..... for having a last name or heritage of Japanese descent or of other descent considered a possible threat to us. Most of these people were American citizens. Imposter, people of your political agenda give FDR a pass, hardly a mention of this, he is still your hero apparently. Not only this, Imposter, I know from talking to vets that it was not unusual for their mail and personal letters to be opened and read, personal letters that they sent from where they were back home.
ROFLMAO: This guys trying to tell me about those US concentration camps during WWII. Where do these people come from?
Yes, I am trying to tell you. Go ahead and laugh. If you were a Japanese American, you would not have found it so funny, imposter. I have personally visited such a camp where thousands lived. Some of the buildings, and the old streets are still there, although mostly abandoned now and many of the buildings or small houses have fallen in or have been torn down. Perhaps you should go see one of these places. They are documented. There were several of these camps, Actually, I decided to do a search, and the following site shows at the peak populations of these places, my calculator totals it out at over 112,000 people in these "internment camps." Go read the history. Those were primarily American citizens, imposter, not terrorist suspects. This was a program instituted by your beloved Franklin D. Roosevelt.
http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/japan_internment_camps.htm
snood wrote:So lemme get this straight, C.I. -
You
don't like George W. Bush, and his administration?
snood, don't jump to any conclusions here.
Just wondering imposter, have all 36,000 of your posts been about George Bush?
Okie,
Just for your information, Cicero IS Japanese-American and he and his family experienced the detention camps first hand. The experience has made the man obsessive about anything that hints at racism, or detention of individuals on the basis of their ethnic origins. I would imagine that even C.I.'s more conservative family have little good to say about FDR.
He has been intolerant and quick to make judgement values on next to zero evidence so long as I've been reading his comments. Of late, however he appears to have become much more radical and antigovernment. His idealism and sense of all the injustices in the world might even be a bit admirable, if they were better grounded in reality. As folks rush to embrace radical positions they become caricatures of themselves, and if they ever get into power their absolute certainties can have dangerous effects. This isn't a danger that only exists among the far left (F4F, Maggnikat, Joe Apsia, and a multitude of others whose perceptions are bounded by conspiracy theories and fear that the sky is falling). The Radical Right is just as wedded to their own outlandish notions that would be a large scale disaster if they ever got into power.
Responsible Republicans and conservatives build upon the foundation of American values and trust the Constitution to protect our system. Americans are tolerant, and so should our Party reflect that value. Americans are dedicated to the idea that individuals can be trusted to do what is in their own best interests. We Americans rely upon our government to protect us from foreign attacks, and to manage our diplomatic affairs in our best interests. Americans believe in the power of liberty to transform people from slavery into masters of their own destiny. Americans believe that people everywhere yearn for peace, prosperity, and property. Those are the values of the Republican Party today, and we believe that the great American electorate will elect leaders who hold that American vision sacred.
cicerone imposter wrote:okie continues with:
"...but I think honest people know he is doing the best he can, which is far better than most people that could have had the job, in my opinion."
"doing the best he can..." only confirms this guys is a moron. What has he done that's ever turned out okay for Americans or for the world?
"...which is far better than most people that could have had the job." That's the reason why the majority of history professors rated him a "failure."
"..in my opinion." is where your problem begins and ends. You haven't watched the destruction metted out by the Bush administration, the lies he told, and the "fear" factor he uses to keep his sheep in line.
War in Iraq: FAILURE
Economy: FAILURE
Drug plan for seniors: FAILURE
Social Security bankruptcy: LIE
New Orelands disaster: FAILURE
"I'm a uniter, not a divider" LIE
"Major combat operations are over" LIE
"We have continued progress in Iraq" LIE
Gas and energy prices: We ain't seen noth'n yet!
Stock market: Lost over 300 points last week.
Jobs: Mostly in the service industry that pays <$10./hour.
More than five million more Americans do not have health insurance.
This administration spends more efforts on 1) gay and lesbian marriage, 2) delay/restrict stem cell research, 3) burning the American flag, 4) save the life of a brain damaged woman, 5) the Patriot Act, and 6) going on vacation.
You're making a lot of claims, but that doesn't make any of it true. I can accuse you of being a serial killer, but my saying it has no significance unless I have something more than my subjective opinion.
okie, No, only about 60 percent. The rest are spread over the Travel and Religion forums.
FYI, I am of Japanese ancestry, and our grandfather came to the US in 1893. As a citizen of this country, our family was forced into the US concentration camps during WWII where we were interned for four years.
Our "family" as it is now composed includes English, German, Italian, Chinese, Polynesian, Hispanic, and Dutch.
I'm the "black sheep" of our family; all my siblings are christians and republicans. I am an independent and a atheist, married to a buddhist. All my siblings are married to christians. I was never a good student, whereas my siblings, wife and son graduated with honors. My older brother was an administrative judge in California. My younger brother is an ophthalmologist with an MBA, and is now a legislator in California. My sister is a RN.
Yes, our government failed us during WWII as a result of hysteria and lies perpetrated about the Japanese, but that is in the past. I can tell you stories about the 442 US Infantry, and the many caucasians that have spoken out and supported us during the war. I would be remiss if I didn't mention Governor Carr of Colorado who invited the Japanese to Colorado before the government forcibly removed all Japanese from the west coast.
FYI, I do not judge politicians based on their political affiliations, but how I perceive them to reflect my values. I have said often on a2k that I would vote for John McCain if nobody better runs in 2008. I don't agree with all his politics, but I can trust him to reflect most of what I would want from our president.
All I have seen of George W Bush is his destruction of our country, the divisions he has created within and without our country, the loss of many of our allies, and the chaos he created by his preemptive war in Iraq based on lies, and without an exit strategy. I would never justify going to war based on "fear." I would never support a government that takes away our constitutional rights based on "fear." The Patriot Act and his illegal wiretaps, torture of prisoners, and the most secret administration this country ever had, and the rhetoric against free speech of the people and the press.
I hope this country recovers from the eight years of George W Bush.
I fear for our children and grandchildren, because of the chaos in the middle east, the large federal deficit that continues to grow, and the loss of health care for more citizens of this country during his tenure.
You may interpret this post any way you wish.
March 5, 2005 radio address by the President
Quote:"In the last five months, we have witnessed successful elections in Afghanistan, the Palestinian Territory and Iraq; peaceful demonstrations on the streets of Beirut; and steps toward democratic reform in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The trend is clear: In the Middle East and throughout the world, freedom is on the march."
Presidential Groping
By: John Amato on Tuesday, July 18th, 2006 at 4:15 AM - PDT
She sure doesn't seem to happy about it to me.
Mash: At the G-8 summit, President Bush grabs German Chancellor Angela Merkel from behind and gives her a quick massage before rushing off. Chancellor Merkel is not amused.
source
That this issue might well constitute Bush's first veto in six years argues further for the thesis of this thread.
Quote:Republicans weigh appeal to Bush on stem-cell research
By Margaret Talev
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON - From lawmakers to former first lady Nancy Reagan, Republicans who support expanded embryonic stem-cell research are considering making appeals to President Bush to change his mind about vetoing the legislation.
As the Senate began debate Monday, the White House said formally what the president has suggested for months: that Bush would veto the bill because the research involves destroying human embryos.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/15059751.htm
Yeah, Merkel hates Bush, alright:
I guess you can prove all sorts of false things if you pore over every photo of a person, trying desperately to find something that looks wrong.
For a time, the media and the left laid off the issue of Bush being dumb. Anti-intellectualism reigned supreme. Should the issue be reopened? See:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-chait16jul16,0,2271073.column?coll=la-home-nation
Was that picture taken during the massage, Brandon?
CI, thanks for the excellent posts. However, I can't believe one thing you said. You stated that you were not a good student. But I happen to know that Asians are called that because they get all "As."
Okie, FDR was certainly imperfect. But does that give Bush a pass? Keep in mind that he is still in power, and is the most powerful man in history. The stuff about FDR is ancient history.
revel wrote:Was that picture taken during the massage, Brandon?
If thousands of people followed you around every day with cameras, and pored over every word you said, just trying to find something to injure you, I guarantee that it wouldn't be hard to do. Only an imbecile would place any creedence in this kind of childish character assasination by someone's enemies.
Brandon9000 wrote:revel wrote:Was that picture taken during the massage, Brandon?
If thousands of people followed you around every day with cameras, and pored over every word you said, just trying to find something to injure you, I guarantee that it wouldn't be hard to do. Only an imbecile would place any creedence in this kind of childish character assasination by someone's enemies.
Yeah, yer right.
But if you are looking for someone to look, act, and speak like a fukin' moron...some people just give you more shots at success.
Take George Dumbya Bush, for instance.
Please!
Frank Apisa wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:revel wrote:Was that picture taken during the massage, Brandon?
If thousands of people followed you around every day with cameras, and pored over every word you said, just trying to find something to injure you, I guarantee that it wouldn't be hard to do. Only an imbecile would place any creedence in this kind of childish character assasination by someone's enemies.
Yeah, yer right.
But if you are looking for someone to look, act, and speak like a fukin' moron...some people just give you more shots at success.
Take George Dumbya Bush, for instance.
Please!
Or Frank Apisa or cicerone imposter or many others...
