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The Worst President in History?

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 12:03 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
snood wrote:
Tico - I'm not believing what I'm seeing right now.
You are actually trying to say that the whole "grave and gathering threat" (of WMD) spiel wasn't the way the war got sold to congress and the American people.

You are actually saying that, right?


I'm saying nothing of the kind. Frank made the broad statement that WMD was "goddam near" the only reason given for the war, which I found funny because of all the leftists who "remembered" that Bush sold the war by tying Saddam to 9/11. And the thread I cited to covers a lot of the reasons given for the war before the war.

WMD and the threat posed by WMD were certainly justifications given for the war, but there were others. But don't take my word for it ... read the AUMF.


Yes, tico, we are aware that other reasons were given and most of us have read that disgusting ALMF of which even democrats signed to my shame. However, every time one of those yahoo's got on TV drumming for war they mostly talked about WMD and how we can't wait for another 9/11 to happen before doing something about Saddam Hessian.

The whole point to these last exchanges of post is that the administration had intelligence which shed doubt on the whole WMD but they ignored that intelligence in order to bolster their agenda of invading Iraq.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 12:25 pm
They did have intelligence which shed doubt on the WMD? You are most misinformed. Now, Ms. Revel, if you are like some of the others, who REFUSE to look at evidence which proves them wrong--Like the clueless Mr. Imposter and the research challenged Mr. Advocate, you will not read the material below. But if you have any integrity, and I think that you do, you will read it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 12:25 pm
These jokers are really funny! They say we don't listen to other countries when our security is at stake, then mention them in support of the Bush Doctrine; Saddam's WMDs must be destroyed. They always want it both ways.

Senator Feinstein said that this administration mislead them about Saddam's WMDs and al Qaida connection. If they knew what they found out later, they would not have voted to give Bush a free hand on Iraq. That's the only reason why they voted with the republicans.

Bush continued his lies that congress had the same intel information, but that was subsequently proved to be a lie.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 01:28 pm
BernardR wrote:
Thanks for the reference, Ticomaya. It clearly shows that Frank Apisa is wrong--again. But then, Frank Apisa is clearly unable to post anything but personal gossip and never gives a link or a source.

He is the Hedda Hopper of A2K.


Bite my grits, jerkhoff.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 01:29 pm
BernardR wrote:
Frank A Pisa says I'm not even going to pretend to read it>

Anyone who shuts out a point of view, even though it is adversarial, is not worthy of posting on these threads. This is primarily a discussion forum and it is difficult to discuss with someone whose eyes are shut, ears are sealed but mouth is wide open!!!


Bite my grits again.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 01:35 pm
There is a lot to laugh about in this exchange.

Bernie and Ti defending the moron in chief is hilarious.

Bernie and Ti trying to minimize the "he's got weapons of mass destruction and the missles to deliver them" aspect of the moron's quest to become a "war president" is side splitting.

Seeing them so desperate to be apologists for the monon; his handlers; and their discredited policies is better than a bedfull of comics.

I love it.

I love A2K.

It keeps me young.

I even love Bernie and Ti...because they are determined to help keep my disposition in that loving, caring, happy rut it is in.

I love it! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 02:38 pm
Frank, in a sense you have to give them credit inasmuch it is so hard to defend the moron-in-chief. He has failed miserably in everything (except getting elected), and this includes his being in business, military service, and being a governor. I am certain he got through school by virtue of his name.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jul, 2006 02:45 pm
If Bush got any education at Yale and Harvard, it's one of the worst records in history for "performance." How can one man screw up so many things that affects everybody on this planet?
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:50 am
Quote:
Fury as Karzai plans return of Taliban's religious police

The Afghan government has alarmed human rights groups by approving a plan to reintroduce a Department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the body which the Taliban used to enforce its extreme religious doctrine.

The proposal, which came from the country's Ulema council of clerics, has been passed by the cabinet of President Hamid Karzai and will now go before the Afghan parliament.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1181612.ece

Relevance of this situation to the thread topic ought to be obvious.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 06:37 am
The "Zero Percent Doctrine"... (this is good)

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20060713_colbert_suskind_doctrine/
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 06:49 am
blatham wrote:
Laughing Laughing
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 11:51 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 12:28 pm
I just find it interesting that the righties fail to see the destruction all around the world while they continue to aplogize for Bush's incompetence.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 01:23 pm
-----
A woman, in a hot air balloon, realized she was lost. She lowered her
altitude, and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me. Can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago. But, I don't
know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS, and replied, "You're in a hot air
balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet
above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes North latitude,
and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes West longitude.

She rolled her eyes, and said, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is
technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your
information. And, I am still lost. Frankly, you have not been much
help to me."

The man smiled, and responded, "You must be a Republican."

"I am!", replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well...", said the man, "You do not know where you are, or where you
are going. You have risen to where you are, due to a large quantity
of hot air. You made a promise, that you have no idea how to keep.
And, you expect me to solve your problem. You are in exactly the same
position you were in before we met. But somehow, now it's all my
fault.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 01:28 pm
ROFLMAO Good un, Advocate.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 04:30 pm
Among the strongest fears of economists is the total net "fiscal gap" that
the country faces. This is the present value of the difference between the
government's future income and expenses - calculated using optimistic
assumptions and not including any contingent liabilities, such as those
that rise with the water level in New Orleans, or with insurgent activity
in Iraq. No, these are the basics: interest payments, government
operations, social security, and drug money. The figure, as negative and
depressing as our Daily Reckonings occasionally are, is $65.9 trillion -
or about 500% of the nation's GDP.

Paul O'Neill was the first treasury secretary to disclose this. For this among other truth telling, he was fired.

See dailyreckoning.com.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:04 pm
Advocate wrote:
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A woman, in a hot air balloon, realized she was lost. She lowered her
altitude, and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me. Can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago. But, I don't
know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS, and replied, "You're in a hot air
balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet
above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes North latitude,
and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes West longitude.

She rolled her eyes, and said, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is
technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your
information. And, I am still lost. Frankly, you have not been much
help to me."

The man smiled, and responded, "You must be a Republican."

"I am!", replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well...", said the man, "You do not know where you are, or where you
are going. You have risen to where you are, due to a large quantity
of hot air. You made a promise, that you have no idea how to keep.
And, you expect me to solve your problem. You are in exactly the same
position you were in before we met. But somehow, now it's all my
fault.
Laughing Laughing
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:06 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I just find it interesting that the righties fail to see the destruction all around the world while they continue to aplogize for Bush's incompetence.

There was destruction all around the world in the 1930s and 1940s, but it didn't make FDR or Truman incompetent.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 05:08 pm
It was because they had "brains" and leadership qualities missing from moron Bush.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:30 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It was because they had "brains" and leadership qualities missing from moron Bush.


Cicerone, you expose your own naivity when you drone on and on about Bush being the most incompetent person imagineable. You only make your own credibility not worth a hill of beans. Criticism is valid if realistic and balanced. I think you have simply gone over the edge. I will cite an example.

Your hero FDR did no wrong according to the commonly held belief among Democrats. You and your like minded libs now chastise Bush and virtually accuse him of being a terrorist, a traitor, a moron, and having committed atrocities by holding terrorist suspects until such time we know what to do with them, and in the meantime, we collect intelligence information from them. You also accuse Bush of violating our rights, on and on, because of electronic surveillance of suspected terrorist communications.

Contrast this with FDR rounding up tens of thousands at least, I don't know the total number, and placed them in work camps, could be called concentration camps, confiscated their property, and placed them at hard labor......and what was their crime? ..... for having a last name or heritage of Japanese descent or of other descent considered a possible threat to us. Most of these people were American citizens. Imposter, people of your political agenda give FDR a pass, hardly a mention of this, he is still your hero apparently. Not only this, Imposter, I know from talking to vets that it was not unusual for their mail and personal letters to be opened and read, personal letters that they sent from where they were back home.

Do not misunderstand me, I am not here to criticize FDR, but I simply wish to point out the man and his administration did much worse things in some areas than what Bush has ever done. I have not even mentioned other issues, such as theories that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor, that he cost many lives by not recognizing the handwriting on the wall sooner. Actually, when the chips were down, I have a respect for FDR. He was an American that loved his country, I believe, and I can overlook his mistakes. This even though I disagree with some of his New Deal. Bottom line, FDR did what he thought was best, I believe. We survived as a country, for which I am grateful.

Similarly, you can disagree with Bush, I can give you that, but I think honest people know he is doing the best he can, which is far better than most people that could have had the job, in my opinion. We should never overrate the capabilities of presidents. They are just men with feet of clay. Go ahead criticize him, but you do not need to be unrealistic.

Imposter, you and your ilk are so blatantly hypocritical, ignorant of historical context, and extreme in all of your arguments, you render yourself pointless. I actually do not know why I enjoy debating you guys. I suppose it is a fascinating study of the workings of the liberal mind, but I continue to be amazed at the beliefs that I can hardly believe you must have. It is disheartening to say the least.
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