The Worst President in History?

Yes, tico, we are aware that other reasons were given and most of us have read that disgusting ALMF of which even democrats signed to my shame. However, every time one of those yahoo's got on TV drumming for war they mostly talked about WMD and how we can't wait for another 9/11 to happen before doing something about Saddam Hessian.

The whole point to these last exchanges of post is that the administration had intelligence which shed doubt on the whole WMD but they ignored that intelligence in order to bolster their agenda of invading Iraq.

They did have intelligence which shed doubt on the WMD? You are most misinformed. Now, Ms. Revel, if you are like some of the others, who REFUSE to look at evidence which proves them wrong--Like the clueless Mr. Imposter and the research challenged Mr. Advocate, you will not read the material below. But if you have any integrity, and I think that you do, you will read it.

These jokers are really funny! They say we don't listen to other countries when our security is at stake, then mention them in support of the Bush Doctrine; Saddam's WMDs must be destroyed. They always want it both ways.

Senator Feinstein said that this administration mislead them about Saddam's WMDs and al Qaida connection. If they knew what they found out later, they would not have voted to give Bush a free hand on Iraq. That's the only reason why they voted with the republicans.

Bush continued his lies that congress had the same intel information, but that was subsequently proved to be a lie.

Bite my grits, jerkhoff.

Bite my grits again.

There is a lot to laugh about in this exchange.

Bernie and Ti defending the moron in chief is hilarious.

Bernie and Ti trying to minimize the "he's got weapons of mass destruction and the missles to deliver them" aspect of the moron's quest to become a "war president" is side splitting.

Seeing them so desperate to be apologists for the monon; his handlers; and their discredited policies is better than a bedfull of comics.

I love it.

I love A2K.

It keeps me young.

I even love Bernie and Ti...because they are determined to help keep my disposition in that loving, caring, happy rut it is in.

I love it!

Frank, in a sense you have to give them credit inasmuch it is so hard to defend the moron-in-chief. He has failed miserably in everything (except getting elected), and this includes his being in business, military service, and being a governor. I am certain he got through school by virtue of his name.

If Bush got any education at Yale and Harvard, it's one of the worst records in history for "performance." How can one man screw up so many things that affects everybody on this planet?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1181612.ece

Relevance of this situation to the thread topic ought to be obvious.

The "Zero Percent Doctrine"... (this is good)

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20060713_colbert_suskind_doctrine/

This is very interesting, bringing out the sorry predictions for our adventure in the Middle East. Sadly, the leadership putting us into harm's way is still in power.



^7/17/06: March of Folly

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Since those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it -- and
since the cast of characters making pronouncements on the crisis in the
Middle East is very much the same as it was three or four years ago -- it
seems like a good idea to travel down memory lane. Here's what they said
and when they said it:

"The greatest thing to come out of [invading Iraq] for the world economy
... would be $20 a barrel for oil." Rupert Murdoch, chairman of News
Corporation (which owns Fox News), February 2003

"Oil Touches Record $78 on Mideast Conflict." Headline on
www.foxnews.com, July 14, 2006

"The administration's top budget official estimated today that the cost
of a war with Iraq could be in the range of $50 billion to $60 billion,"
saying that "earlier estimates of $100 billion to $200 billion in Iraq
war costs by Lawrence B. Lindsey, Mr. Bush's former chief economic
adviser, were too high." The New York Times, Dec. 31, 2002

"According to C.B.O.'s estimates, from the time U.S. forces invaded Iraq
in March 2003, $290 billion has been allocated for activities in Iraq.
... Additional costs over the 2007-2016 period would total an estimated
$202 billion under the first [optimistic] scenario, and $406 billion
under the second one." Congressional Budget Office, July 13, 2006

"Peacekeeping requirements in Iraq might be much lower than historical
experience in the Balkans suggests. There's been none of the record in
Iraq of ethnic militias fighting one another that produced so much
bloodshed and permanent scars in Bosnia." Paul Wolfowitz, deputy
secretary of defense and now president of the World Bank, Feb. 27, 2003

"West Baghdad is no stranger to bombings and killings, but in the past
few days all restraint has vanished in an orgy of ?'ethnic cleansing.'
Shia gunmen are seeking to drive out the once-dominant Sunni minority
and the Sunnis are forming neighborhood posses to retaliate. Mosques are
being attacked. Scores of innocent civilians have been killed, their
bodies left lying in the streets." The Times of London, July 14, 2006

"Earlier this week, I traveled to Baghdad to visit the capital of a free
and democratic Iraq." President Bush, June 17, 2006

"People are doing the same as [in] Saddam's time and worse. ... These
were the precise reasons that we fought Saddam and now we are seeing
the same things." Ayad Allawi, Mr. Bush's choice as Iraq's first
post-Saddam
prime minister, November 2005

"Iraq's new government has another able leader in Speaker Mashhadani.
... He rejects the use of violence for political ends. And by agreeing
to serve in a prominent role in this new unity government, he's
demonstrating leadership and courage." President Bush, May 22, 2006

"Some people say ?'we saw you beheading, kidnappings and killing. In the
end we even started kidnapping women who are our honor.' These acts are
not the work of Iraqis. I am sure that he who does this is a Jew and the
son of a Jew." Mahmoud Mashhadani, speaker of the Iraqi Parliament,
July 13, 2006

"My fellow citizens, not only can we win the war in Iraq, we are winning
the war in Iraq." President Bush, Dec. 18, 2005

"I think I would answer that by telling you I don't think we're losing."
Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, when asked whether
we're winning in Iraq, July 14, 2006

"Regime change in Iraq would bring about a number of benefits for the
region. ...Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy
of jihad. Moderates throughout the region would take heart, and our
ability to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process would be
enhanced." Vice President Dick Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002

"Bush -- The world is coming unglued before his eyes. His naïve dreams
are a Wilsonian disaster." Newsweek Conventional Wisdom Watch,
July 24, 2006 edition

"It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that
he will be the commander in chief for three more critical years, and
that in matters of war, we undermine presidential credibility at our
nation's peril." Senator Joseph Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut,
Dec. 6, 2005

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is
often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just
learning that lesson right now." Representative Tom DeLay, Republican
of Texas, on the campaign against Slobodan Milosevic, April 28, 1999
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I just find it interesting that the righties fail to see the destruction all around the world while they continue to aplogize for Bush's incompetence.

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A woman, in a hot air balloon, realized she was lost. She lowered her
altitude, and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me. Can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago. But, I don't
know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS, and replied, "You're in a hot air
balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet
above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes North latitude,
and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes West longitude.

She rolled her eyes, and said, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is
technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your
information. And, I am still lost. Frankly, you have not been much
help to me."

The man smiled, and responded, "You must be a Republican."

"I am!", replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well...", said the man, "You do not know where you are, or where you
are going. You have risen to where you are, due to a large quantity
of hot air. You made a promise, that you have no idea how to keep.
And, you expect me to solve your problem. You are in exactly the same
position you were in before we met. But somehow, now it's all my
fault.

ROFLMAO Good un, Advocate.

Among the strongest fears of economists is the total net "fiscal gap" that
the country faces. This is the present value of the difference between the
government's future income and expenses - calculated using optimistic
assumptions and not including any contingent liabilities, such as those
that rise with the water level in New Orleans, or with insurgent activity
in Iraq. No, these are the basics: interest payments, government
operations, social security, and drug money. The figure, as negative and
depressing as our Daily Reckonings occasionally are, is $65.9 trillion -
or about 500% of the nation's GDP.

Paul O'Neill was the first treasury secretary to disclose this. For this among other truth telling, he was fired.

See dailyreckoning.com.

There was destruction all around the world in the 1930s and 1940s, but it didn't make FDR or Truman incompetent.

It was because they had "brains" and leadership qualities missing from moron Bush.

Cicerone, you expose your own naivity when you drone on and on about Bush being the most incompetent person imagineable. You only make your own credibility not worth a hill of beans. Criticism is valid if realistic and balanced. I think you have simply gone over the edge. I will cite an example.

Your hero FDR did no wrong according to the commonly held belief among Democrats. You and your like minded libs now chastise Bush and virtually accuse him of being a terrorist, a traitor, a moron, and having committed atrocities by holding terrorist suspects until such time we know what to do with them, and in the meantime, we collect intelligence information from them. You also accuse Bush of violating our rights, on and on, because of electronic surveillance of suspected terrorist communications.

Contrast this with FDR rounding up tens of thousands at least, I don't know the total number, and placed them in work camps, could be called concentration camps, confiscated their property, and placed them at hard labor......and what was their crime? ..... for having a last name or heritage of Japanese descent or of other descent considered a possible threat to us. Most of these people were American citizens. Imposter, people of your political agenda give FDR a pass, hardly a mention of this, he is still your hero apparently. Not only this, Imposter, I know from talking to vets that it was not unusual for their mail and personal letters to be opened and read, personal letters that they sent from where they were back home.

Do not misunderstand me, I am not here to criticize FDR, but I simply wish to point out the man and his administration did much worse things in some areas than what Bush has ever done. I have not even mentioned other issues, such as theories that FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor, that he cost many lives by not recognizing the handwriting on the wall sooner. Actually, when the chips were down, I have a respect for FDR. He was an American that loved his country, I believe, and I can overlook his mistakes. This even though I disagree with some of his New Deal. Bottom line, FDR did what he thought was best, I believe. We survived as a country, for which I am grateful.

Similarly, you can disagree with Bush, I can give you that, but I think honest people know he is doing the best he can, which is far better than most people that could have had the job, in my opinion. We should never overrate the capabilities of presidents. They are just men with feet of clay. Go ahead criticize him, but you do not need to be unrealistic.

Imposter, you and your ilk are so blatantly hypocritical, ignorant of historical context, and extreme in all of your arguments, you render yourself pointless. I actually do not know why I enjoy debating you guys. I suppose it is a fascinating study of the workings of the liberal mind, but I continue to be amazed at the beliefs that I can hardly believe you must have. It is disheartening to say the least.