Asherman uses these words in the most underhanded of ways. The same exact way Joe Mccarthy did. It's the same exact thing. It's Mccarthism. And why not.
The current Administration is built entirely on the worst side of human nature. Lies, deception, corruption, paranoia, fear, apathy and ignorance.
It is a fact that without the lies, deception, corruption the vail would be lifted on Ashermans beloved Bush administration. Ashermans Demonization of voices of other Americans is classic and extremely deceptive and underhanded deception that has nothing to do with the idea of a healthy democracy. But that is what is required to maintain a status quo so far from the public interest. Asherman must demonize other Americans so that true democratic debate can be suppressed without these tools (deception, rigged elections, corruption, demonization,disinformation) they would lose immediately. They have made the choice to live by these tactics because their ideals can not be supported any other way especially not by healthe democracy.
I was being called a "Marxist", a "Socialist" and other demonized words a long time ago and I didn't even know what they where.How can you be something by accusation and you don't even know the definition of? You can't.
cicerone imposter wrote:okie, Who's talking about "perfect" anything? Try living in the real world where politics is never pure anything. I didn't/don't care for Bush or Kerry. I would have voted for John McCain.
I thought you were adamantlyagainst the war? McCain supports the war, I think. We could go into other issues as well, but the war is a good illustration of why the support for McCain by liberals is somewhat inconsistent with what they profess to believe.
Amigo wrote:I was being called a "Marxist", a "Socialist" and other demonized words a long time ago and I didn't even know what they where.How can you be something by accusation and you don't even know the definition of? You can't.
Maybe you need to examine your ideas and see what they really are? Most people - when they see and hear something walk like a duck and quack like a duck, they think it is probably a duck, whether the duck knows it is or not. Maybe the duck is running with a flock of chickens and thinks it is a chicken. Could that be you? If you support policies that may have Marxist or Socialist leanings or origins, you are unwittingly identifying yourself as a Marxist or Socialist whether you realize it or not.
okie wrote: If you support policies that may have Marxist or Socialist leanings or origins, you are unwittingly identifying yourself as a Marxist or Socialist whether you realize it or not.
May I sincerely doubt that YOU know a lot of those, if any
okie, It's final; you are dumb. Just because I would have supported John McCain out of the running pack doesn't say I agree with everything he supports or believes in. You are dumb and stupid. god, where did you get your education?
To those among us who are so quick to spot Marxist leanings, I wonder: Are you as adept at spotting others who display Fascistic behaviors?
Frankly, I had more respect for one among you until the McCarthism leaked into your posts. But now I think you're just in love with your pontifications and blather...
You keep picking on me Walter. Is it because you are biased against okies and think we are a bunch of numbskulls, or "knumbskulls" as cicerone terms it?
Okay, Walter, educate us all and tell me in a quick summary what Marxism and Socialism is. I don't want a book about it. The basic principles can be summarized in a paragraph or two. In your own words. I don't want a link.
Wow, just mention Marxism or Socialism, and.... Whats with you guys anyway?
cicerone imposter wrote:okie, It's final; you are dumb. Just because I would have supported John McCain out of the running pack doesn't say I agree with everything he supports or believes in. You are dumb and stupid. god, where did you get your education?
I got my education in Oklahoma. And lots of other places since. Calm down.
dys, You're giving me credit for a post I didn't write. ;(
okie wrote:
Okay, Walter, educate us all and tell me in a quick summary what Marxism and Socialism is. I don't want a book about it. The basic principles can be summarized in a paragraph or two. In your own words. I don't want a link.
You demand to be educated but not with a book etc
No problem, just pay me via paypal or by international bank tranfer in advance.
Needless to say this has degenerated into an off topic session of name calling and piling on here.
Bottom line. Bush cannot be judged in the context of history until he becomes history for at least a decade or two.
Walter, I would still be interested in your brief description of Marxism and Socialism, since you don't seem to think I know anything at all about it.
Walter Hinteler wrote:okie wrote:
Okay, Walter, educate us all and tell me in a quick summary what Marxism and Socialism is. I don't want a book about it. The basic principles can be summarized in a paragraph or two. In your own words. I don't want a link.
You demand to be educated but not with a book etc
No problem, just pay me via paypal or by international bank tranfer in advance.
Go ahead and sit in your perch and take potshots if thats what you prefer. Instead it would be nice if you could bestow some of your wisdom in a paragraph or two? I'll decide if its worth a nickel after you provide the education.
Didn't you have a minimal change to get free education at a public school?
okie wrote:Needless to say this has degenerated into an off topic session of name calling and piling on here.
Bottom line. Bush cannot be judged in the context of history until he becomes history for at least a decade or two.
Walter, I would still be interested in your brief description of Marxism and Socialism, since you don't seem to think I know anything at all about it.
Okie, you seem to many of us here to be unread as to the history of US Policy. I suggest you read Upton Sinclain (The Jungle) and how the FDA was created (being a first step in "socialism"). Perhaps when you will come to realize that the US has been "socialist" for nearly a century because that is what the citizens want rather some than kind of buzz word for really bad people, you will get a clue as to what america is really about.
Marxism is the theory of dialectical materialism based on communist practice. (E.g. like in the communist countries pre-1960, and still today in North Korea).
In socialism the main guideline is the social control (e.g. like done in the UK by Blairs Labour Party - although they tent to be more social-democratic).
Social deocratic looks at social needs of workers and society's disadvantaged as well as trying to modernise the economy to meet the demands of globalization. (Same example as above: UK)
Walter Hinteler wrote:Marxism is the theory of dialectical materialism based on communist practice. (E.g. like in the communist countries pre-1960, and still today in North Korea).
In socialism the main guideline is the social control (e.g. like done in the UK by Blairs Labour Party - although they tent to be more social-democratic).
Social deocratic looks at social needs of workers and society's disadvantaged as well as trying to modernise the economy to meet the demands of globalization. (Same example as above: UK)
Thanks. I would have liked more detail. Dyslexia, I am fully aware that the U.S. has incorporated certain ideas of socialism into our way of life for quite some time.
I did not, nor do I have the power to turn the words, socialism and Marxism, into terms of ill repute. They are what they are. Different people have different views concerning them. Frankly, I don't know why you guys get so irate over the mere mention of them in connection with a suggested opposition to policies related to those idealogies. Asherman suggested that certain people may advocate socialistic or communistic policies but don't like to admit it. I agreed. If the truth hurts, so be it. If you like those idealogies, then why are you so insulted by the terms?
I am deeply disillusioned. I would have thought that Mr. Walter Hinteler, who is, I am sure, a highly trained scholar in Gemany, would have known of Rudolphe Tomaschek, the Director of the Institute of Physics at Dresden who said--"Modern Physics is an instrument of Jewry for the destruction of Nordic Science...True physics is the creation of the German Spirit." The learned Mr. Hinteler can find information on Herr Tomaschek on P. 250 of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer
I am usually correct with my quotations.
I quoted Herr Tomaschek to show that even learned professors can make outrageous statements which are quite incorrect.
It is, of course, always essential to attempt to determing whether the Professor being quoted has any ideological bias before taking his or her words as the words of an expert, and therefore presumably definitive source.
