I think we must get back to the topic.
President Bush still has thirty months in office. Then his entire career will be evaluated.
In the meantime, no one gives any evidence to PROVE that compared to other presidents, Bush is indeed the worst of them.
I think that the people who say that are the losers. The losers are the ones who lost the Senate and the House in 1994 under William Jefferson Clinton.
Enraged by the loss of power, they hurl around unproven statements, while in the meanwhile the facts--
a. Bush elected 2000
b. GOP GAINS seats in the House and Senate
c. Bush elected 2004
are more than they can bear-----
Asherman said:
There is no need for a witch hunt, Socialism and Marxism are so flawed, in my opinion, that they will always eventually fail on their own. The American dedication to personal liberty, initiative and the promise of owning property is strong, especially in the heart lands. The idea that government can and should enforce someone's ideas in search of Utopia doesn't play very well with Middle America.
Asherman is seconded by the learned writer, Irving Kristol, who opined:
quote
Socialism did not succeed; it failed. The socialist impulse was, like all human impulses, a mixed thing. But it was--particularly in its original, pre-Marxian form, which was never quite extinguished--as much a philosophical ideal as an ideology. It set out to master man's fate, not rationalize it. It aimed at a community of virtuous men, whose dominant motive would be compassion and fellow-feeling. Whether or not this ideal is intrinsically utopian--i.e., unsuited to man's fallen nature--is endlessly arguable. But what is absolutely clear is that socialism turned out to be utterly unsuited to the nature of modern man. For, in this nature, concupiscence is stronger than compassion--a concupiscence that is constantly stimulated (even as it is fleetingly satisfied) by the unfolding promise of modern technology to create ever greater wealth. Socialists thought that the "abolition of poverty" would purify and ennoble human nature, and were therefore persuaded that technology worked ineluctably in its favor. They turned out to be wrong. In large areas of the world today, there is wealth enough for people to live full and contented lives in socialist equality and fraternity--if only people wanted to. They do not. What they want is--more. Though what they want more for, they do not know.
end of quote
Okie-- Socialism is dead or dying!!!!!
BernardR wrote:I think we must get back to the topic.
President Bush still has thirty months in office. Then his entire career will be evaluated.
In the meantime, no one gives any evidence to PROVE that compared to other presidents, Bush is indeed the worst of them.
I think that the people who say that are the losers. The losers are the ones who lost the Senate and the House in 1994 under William Jefferson Clinton.
Enraged by the loss of power, they hurl around unproven statements, while in the meanwhile the facts--
a. Bush elected 2000
b. GOP GAINS seats in the House and Senate
c. Bush elected 2004
are more than they can bear-----
All that stuff aside, Bernie....I still think the man is a fukin' moron...and a disgrace to the office.
People like BernardR can't seem to understand that past elections have little meaning when the person sitting in the white house has such a low approval rating by the American People - today. The trend for Bush is southward.
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May 12, 2006
President Bush's approval rating has fallen to its lowest mark of his presidency, according to a new Harris Interactive poll.
Of 1,003 U.S. adults surveyed in a telephone poll, 29% think Mr. Bush is doing an "excellent or pretty good" job as president, down from 35% in April and significantly lower than 43% in January. It compares with 71% of Americans who said Mr. Bush is doing an "only fair or poor" job, up from 63% in April.
RATING BUSH'S PERFORMANCE
See previous Harris polls from April, March and February and January of 2006
Polling organizations tracked in the related graphic ask respondents about President Bush's performance in different ways.
Meanwhile, approval ratings for Congress are also sliding, as 18% of Americans say Congress is doing an "excellent or pretty good job," compared with 80% who say Congress is doing an "only fair or poor" job. In February, 25% of Americans gave Congress a positive rating and 71% gave a negative rating.
Elsewhere, roughly one-quarter of U.S. adults say "things in the country are going in the right direction," while 69% say "things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track." This trend has declined every month since January, when 33% said the nation was heading in the right direction.
In terms of political-party identification, 48% of Republicans said "right direction" while 39% of Republicans said "wrong track." In comparison, just 13% of Democrats said "right direction" and 83% of Democrats responded with "wrong track."
Iraq remains a key concern for the general public, as 28% of Americans said they consider Iraq to be one of the top two most important issues the government should address, up from 23% in April. The immigration debate also prompted 16% of Americans to consider it a top issue, down from 19% last month, but still sharply higher from just 4% in March.
Gas and oil prices (14%) leapfrogged health care as the third most important issue, up sharply from 3% from April, while the economy (13%) and health care (8%) rounded out the top five issues.
Here are full results of the poll:
"How would you rate the overall job President George W. Bush is doing as president -- excellent, pretty good, only fair, or poor?"
Base: All Adults
TREND Positive* Negative**
2006
May....... 29%...... 71%
April....... 35......... 63
March.... 36......... 64
February 40......... 58
January. 43.......... 56
2005
November 34%.... 65%
August..... 40....... 58
June........ 45....... 55
April ........ 44....... 56
February.. 48...... 51
BernardR, Look at this list. They were all elected to office, but have ended up with very low performance ratings. Being elected is only one part of the calculus. The other part has to do with how they perform on the job.
Presidential Approval Ratings, Since 1950
Below are the highest and lowest approval ratings ever received by a president in a national opinion poll throughout his presidency.
President... Highest Rating... Lowest Rating
Harry Truman ..........87%.................. 23%
Dwight Eisenhower... 79%.................. 48%
John F. Kennedy .......83%.................. 56%
Lyndon Johnson....... 79%................... 35%
Richard Nixon.......... 67%................... 24%
Gerald Ford............. 71%................... 37%
Jimmy Carter........... 75%.................. 28%
Ronald Reagan......... 68%.................. 35%
George H.W. Bush.... 89%................... 29%
Bill Clinton............... 73%................... 37%
George W. Bush....... 90%.................... 29%
From Wikipedia:
"Which of these eleven presidents we have had since World War II would you consider the worst president - Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush Senior, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush?"
George W. Bush (34%)
Richard Nixon (17%)
Bill Clinton (16%)
Jimmy Carter (13%)
Don't Know/No Answer (5%)
Lyndon Johnson (4%)
Ronald Reagan (3%)
George H. W. Bush (3%)
Gerald Ford (2%)
Harry Truman (1%)
John Kennedy (1%)
Dwight Eisenhower (<1%)
Being elected is the only true measure of how a person does on the job-
Despite the polls- President Bush was elected as President in 2000.
Despite the polls-The Republicans added to their strength in the House and Senate in 2002.
Despite the polls- President Bush was re-elected in 2004.
Now, if the Republicans lose either the House or the Senate in 2006, in the TRUE MEASURE-THE NOVEMBER ELECTION OF 2006--we will see how the American People view the President.
I will be on these threads to report that the Republicans, DESPITE THE SO CALLED HORRENDOUS POLLING NUMBERS, will still hold the majorities in the House and the Senate.
And if, and I say if, the Republicans hold the House and the Senate in November, we will be faced with one of the most curious circumstances in modern Political History----A party( the Republicans) which has won two Presidential Elections and held on to their majorities in the House and Senate for EIGHT YEARS and, at the same time, was led by the worst president in History!
That would indeed be either very very unusual or, rather, a product of partisan politics forwarded by losers who cannot bear the thought that they have not controlled the House or Senate since William Jefferson Clinton kicked it away in 1994!
BernardR wrote:
Okie-- Socialism is dead or dying!!!!!
BernardR, obviously you and I agree, but I would caution you about Socialism or Marxism dying. I think the same old things come back again, and again, sometimes under different names. The reason I think so is that mankind is flawed. Temptations persist. The grass is always greener....... Communism now trying to make a comeback in South America. They are always going to wipe out poverty and suffering.....you know the story. People need to believe in something. If itsn't God, its Government.
Are you sure you don't mean "Common Dreams". Mr. Imposter? I can't find any web site named "Wet Dreams". You wouldn't be referring to the crude definition of nocturnal emissions, would you? If you are, I must regretfully declare that your crudity reveals your anger and admission of defeat.
I would respectfully suggest that you clean up your vocabulary.
Bush may prove to be the worst or the best president in history - 2006 and before. It is clear that it is a meaningless assessment that is made in the here an now on his place in history. No legitimate student of history would even attempt to make an historical judgment on a sitting president.
Of course, Finn. But the partisan hatred of President Bush is so strong that the mud throwing continues.
I am certain that you are aware of the low ratings gathered by President Truman. According to his biographer David McCullough, who won the Pulitzer Prize in History, when he wrote "Truman"---"Henry Luce considered Truman the "reductio ad Absurdum" of the common man--Michael Straight, editor of the New Republic, had written in 1948 that Truman had a "known difficulty in understanding the printed word". Westbrook Pegler, Walter Winchell and Drew Pearson had all hit him hard."
And President Truman is now ranked by many Presidential Historians as one of the ten best Presidents in American History.
You guys surely know that polling is a tool of "journalists." It is now part of the news. Manufactured news of course, by how you ask the questions. Of course unbiased we all know. I would love to be a pollster as a hobby. Ask the questions right and you could virtually get almost any result. The only poll that means anything is an election. Bush has been elected twice, and I would caution the Democrats against planning on their congressional office decor just yet. As Dick Morris points out, a few weeks is an eternity leading up to an election.
You are correct- Okie--What do you think happens when a pollster reaches someone on a telephone poll? The person being polled USUALLY knows very little about the subjects the pollster is referencing.
The fact that a large number of people could not find Iraq on a map shows their ignorance.
The election in November will be defined in most districts by local issues. It is what the average voter understands. As Tip O"Neill said--"All Politics is Local"
Yeah, professional historians don't khow shet. I wonder if you think the American People know anything, since they also rate Bush in the low thirties?
The Worst President in History?
One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush Page 1 2 3 4
Flashback: Bush in '99 -- We Warned You!
George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario. Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.
From time to time, after hours, I kick back with my colleagues at Princeton to argue idly about which president really was the worst of them all. For years, these perennial debates have largely focused on the same handful of chief executives whom national polls of historians, from across the ideological and political spectrum, routinely cite as the bottom of the presidential barrel. Was the lousiest James Buchanan, who, confronted with Southern secession in 1860, dithered to a degree that, as his most recent biographer has said, probably amounted to disloyalty -- and who handed to his successor, Abraham Lincoln, a nation already torn asunder? Was it Lincoln's successor, Andrew Johnson, who actively sided with former Confederates and undermined Reconstruction? What about the amiably incompetent Warren G. Harding, whose administration was fabulously corrupt? Or, though he has his defenders, Herbert Hoover, who tried some reforms but remained imprisoned in his own outmoded individualist ethic and collapsed under the weight of the stock-market crash of 1929 and the Depression's onset? The younger historians always put in a word for Richard M. Nixon, the only American president forced to resign from office.
Now, though, George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton -- a category in which Bush is the only contestant.
The lopsided decision of historians should give everyone pause. Contrary to popular stereotypes, historians are generally a cautious bunch. We assess the past from widely divergent points of view and are deeply concerned about being viewed as fair and accurate by our colleagues. When we make historical judgments, we are acting not as voters or even pundits, but as scholars who must evaluate all the evidence, good, bad or indifferent. Separate surveys, conducted by those perceived as conservatives as well as liberals, show remarkable unanimity about who the best and worst presidents have been.
Historians do tend, as a group, to be far more liberal than the citizenry as a whole -- a fact the president's admirers have seized on to dismiss the poll results as transparently biased. One pro-Bush historian said the survey revealed more about "the current crop of history professors" than about Bush or about Bush's eventual standing. But if historians were simply motivated by a strong collective liberal bias, they might be expected to call Bush the worst president since his father, or Ronald Reagan, or Nixon. Instead, more than half of those polled -- and nearly three-fourths of those who gave Bush a negative rating -- reached back before Nixon to find a president they considered as miserable as Bush. The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled -- nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success -- flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher.
Even worse for the president, the general public, having once given Bush the highest approval ratings ever recorded, now appears to be coming around to the dismal view held by most historians. To be sure, the president retains a considerable base of supporters who believe in and adore him, and who reject all criticism with a mixture of disbelief and fierce contempt -- about one-third of the electorate. (When the columnist Richard Reeves publicized the historians' poll last year and suggested it might have merit, he drew thousands of abusive replies that called him an idiot and that praised Bush as, in one writer's words, "a Christian who actually acts on his deeply held beliefs.") Yet the ranks of the true believers have thinned dramatically. A majority of voters in forty-three states now disapprove of Bush's handling of his job. Since the commencement of reliable polling in the 1940s, only one twice-elected president has seen his ratings fall as low as Bush's in his second term: Richard Nixon, during the months preceding his resignation in 1974. No two-term president since polling began has fallen from such a height of popularity as Bush's (in the neighborhood of ninety percent, during the patriotic upswell following the 2001 attacks) to such a low (now in the midthirties). No president, including Harry Truman (whose ratings sometimes dipped below Nixonian levels), has experienced such a virtually unrelieved decline as Bush has since his high point. Apart from sharp but temporary upticks that followed the commencement of the Iraq war and the capture of Saddam Hussein, and a recovery during the weeks just before and after his re-election, the Bush trend has been a profile in fairly steady disillusionment.
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Mr. Imposter- Are you in the habit of quoting someone without indentifying him? Was that intentional or merely a mistake? Please identify the person you quoted. I am familiar with some of the Historians at Princeton and would be able to match your quote with a different perspective.
Are you suffering from the illusion that one Presidential Historian from Princeton is definitive?
If you are, I am very much afraid that you know almost nothing about Presidential Historians and thier political positions across the spectrum.
Name your Historian-Please!!!
Bernard, Go look for the quote yourself, if you're that interested. First go to Google....
I don't have to name any historian; the article says 80 percent of historians rates Bush as a failure. You can find that in Google too!
cicerone imposter wrote:Yeah, professional historians don't khow shet. I wonder if you think the American People know anything, since they also rate Bush in the low thirties?
The Worst President in History?
One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush Page 1 2 3 4
Flashback: Bush in '99 -- We Warned You!
George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario. Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.
From time to time, after hours, I kick back with my colleagues at Princeton to argue idly about which president really was the worst of them all. For years, these perennial debates have largely focused on the same handful of chief executives whom national polls of historians, from across the ideological and political spectrum, routinely cite as the bottom of the presidential barrel. Was the lousiest James Buchanan, who, confronted with Southern secession in 1860, dithered to a degree that, as his most recent biographer has said, probably amounted to disloyalty -- and who handed to his successor, Abraham Lincoln, a nation already torn asunder? Was it Lincoln's successor, Andrew Johnson, who actively sided with former Confederates and undermined Reconstruction? What about the amiably incompetent Warren G. Harding, whose administration was fabulously corrupt? Or, though he has his defenders, Herbert Hoover, who tried some reforms but remained imprisoned in his own outmoded individualist ethic and collapsed under the weight of the stock-market crash of 1929 and the Depression's onset? The younger historians always put in a word for Richard M. Nixon, the only American president forced to resign from office.
Now, though, George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." In fact, roughly one in ten of those who called Bush a success was being facetious, rating him only as the best president since Bill Clinton -- a category in which Bush is the only contestant.
The lopsided decision of historians should give everyone pause. Contrary to popular stereotypes, historians are generally a cautious bunch. We assess the past from widely divergent points of view and are deeply concerned about being viewed as fair and accurate by our colleagues. When we make historical judgments, we are acting not as voters or even pundits, but as scholars who must evaluate all the evidence, good, bad or indifferent. Separate surveys, conducted by those perceived as conservatives as well as liberals, show remarkable unanimity about who the best and worst presidents have been.
Historians do tend, as a group, to be far more liberal than the citizenry as a whole -- a fact the president's admirers have seized on to dismiss the poll results as transparently biased. One pro-Bush historian said the survey revealed more about "the current crop of history professors" than about Bush or about Bush's eventual standing. But if historians were simply motivated by a strong collective liberal bias, they might be expected to call Bush the worst president since his father, or Ronald Reagan, or Nixon. Instead, more than half of those polled -- and nearly three-fourths of those who gave Bush a negative rating -- reached back before Nixon to find a president they considered as miserable as Bush. The presidents most commonly linked with Bush included Hoover, Andrew Johnson and Buchanan. Twelve percent of the historians polled -- nearly as many as those who rated Bush a success -- flatly called Bush the worst president in American history. And these figures were gathered before the debacles over Hurricane Katrina, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq. Were the historians polled today, that figure would certainly be higher.
Even worse for the president, the general public, having once given Bush the highest approval ratings ever recorded, now appears to be coming around to the dismal view held by most historians. To be sure, the president retains a considerable base of supporters who believe in and adore him, and who reject all criticism with a mixture of disbelief and fierce contempt -- about one-third of the electorate. (When the columnist Richard Reeves publicized the historians' poll last year and suggested it might have merit, he drew thousands of abusive replies that called him an idiot and that praised Bush as, in one writer's words, "a Christian who actually acts on his deeply held beliefs.") Yet the ranks of the true believers have thinned dramatically. A majority of voters in forty-three states now disapprove of Bush's handling of his job. Since the commencement of reliable polling in the 1940s, only one twice-elected president has seen his ratings fall as low as Bush's in his second term: Richard Nixon, during the months preceding his resignation in 1974. No two-term president since polling began has fallen from such a height of popularity as Bush's (in the neighborhood of ninety percent, during the patriotic upswell following the 2001 attacks) to such a low (now in the midthirties). No president, including Harry Truman (whose ratings sometimes dipped below Nixonian levels), has experienced such a virtually unrelieved decline as Bush has since his high point. Apart from sharp but temporary upticks that followed the commencement of the Iraq war and the capture of Saddam Hussein, and a recovery during the weeks just before and after his re-election, the Bush trend has been a profile in fairly steady disillusionment.
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And who do the American people rate at the top?
Every year the most respected person tends to be the president of the US, irrespective of his party. If he is having a bad week when the poll is taken, he may not make the top spot but he always makes the top five. It's also pretty reliable for the First Lady to make it to the top of the most respected women in America.
And if it ain't the President or the First Lady, who is it?
Most Admired Woman 2005
Angelina Jolie?
Margaret Thatcher? Is she even alive?
Martha Stewart?
A tie between Barbara Walters and Sandra Day O'Connor?
Most Admired Man
Lookee here - #1 is (drumroll please)....George Bush!
imposter, you need to post a link showing the source. You have a bad habit of cluttering up posts with quotes that come out of nowhere.