Should the USA Annex Mexico?

I'm not interested in being the source to justify you puking up more of your racism. You don't need me for an excuse to spew your hatred, so leave me out of it.

If I'm a racist then why do I support putting the employers in jail while we deport the employees?

Typical hippy liberal response to ignore the problem and call those who don't "racist".

That's hilarious. How do you know that Spanish speakers are the majority of the illegals? Even if it is statistically proven that that is the case, you base your hypothesis on seeing someone with a brown face riding a bicycle through the neighborhood--brown face, bicycle--yup, that's an illegal.

What you propose to fix a "problem" that not everyone agrees is a problem doesn't absolve you from your inability to see a brown faced man on a bicycle as anything other than an illegal immigrant. Russians are thought to be (statistics on those here illegally are rather hard to rely upon, for obvious reasons) the largest number of illegals in the country. When you see a white face, do you say to yourself, "Hmm, must be an illegal Russian immigrant?" When you see someone of obvious East Asian descent, do you say to yourself, "Hmmm must be one of those Chinese who almost died in a container ship to get here?"

What you propose to do has nothing to do with the fact that you are obsessed with Spanish speakers, brown faced men on bicycles. For your information, your remarks disgust me.

Obviously you can't oppose illegal immigration unless you are a racist cjhas. That's how the liberal mind works. Same reason the only way you can support the war is by joining the military.

It gives them a reason to hate. By calling you a racist, they can hate you and oppose your point of view. Trying to justify your position is like pissing in the wind with these people. They don't care, they just want to hate.

I don't hate CJ, with whom i enjoy much better relations than with other members here who express conservative points of view. I do hate the ideas he expresses when he gets on his illegal immigrants band wagon.

Of course, it helps if you can create an impression that those with whom you disagree are hateful, because it makes it so much easier to dismiss what they say.

CJ speaks only of brown-faced men on bicycles cruising the neighborhood, looking for lawns to mow. He doesn't consider that they might be legal immigrants, he does not consider that they may be the native born American citizen children of illegal or legal immigrants. He doesn't consider that it shows energy and enterprise to go out and look for lawns to mow if that's the only option one has, nor does he consider that they might not be looking for lawns to mow. It apparently doesn't occur to him that some of them, at least may live there.

I happen to like CJ, and we usually get along. But this aspect of his thought digusts me. I don't have to hate him to say so, and i don't hate him.

The funny thing, which some obviously can't understand due to e.g. not getting foreign news etc, is that people looking like on those photos posted by cjhsa can be watched in San Sebastian, Porto, Bayonne etc as well easily.

We Europeans don't look like all the same.

To be honest, when I originally posted this, I certainly couldn't have predicted the protests that occurred last weekend and yesterday. I think they really showed off the size of the problem, and in some way, may legitimize the title of this thread, which was originally meant as a joke.

Editorial from the Sonoma County Democrat in 1885.

It in unbelievable to me that someone of Chinese descent, whose ancestors endured this persecution, is now so ready to accept it with another group.

Such hypocricy (I am not referring to you CJ as you obviously did not descend from immigrants).

In 1885 there were no social welfare programs, few hospitals, and most kids were home schooled.

Heeheeheeheeheehee . . . his folks just kinda sprung from the ground, full-blown US citizens, eh?


Just a couple of decades later, the focus of the xenophobes would shif to the Japanese. When the United States annexed the Hawaiian Islands in 1898, the Japanese (who had intended to attempt the same thing at some point in time) were outraged. Relations with the United States in general deteriorated, but California seemed to show a positive talent for this sort of thing, and shortly thereafter passed a law that Japanese children could not be educated in the same school with "white" children. Theodore Roosevelt had to deal with that one when he was President, and he was frequently enraged by the anti-Japanese bigotry and riots in California, expressing himself privately as disgusted with the idiots in Sacramento. That came from a man who had his own publicly stated racist opinions.

What is it about California, one wonders?

I think "it" is obvious. California has more illegal aliens than any other state, by far.

California has more white folks that any other state; California has more black folks than any other state; California has more left-handed, midget Lesbian rodeo stars than any other state--California has more people than any other state.

Did you have a point in there somewhere?

No, I think you just made it for me!

The point is that the Chinese ancestors of some of us endured the same anti-immigrant hatred that you all are putting on today's immigrants.

The same rhetoric, the same accusations and the same dire warnings.

It was, after all, the Chinese who were the first illegal immigrants. In spite of this, they came, built communities and became part of American society.

Even California did fine in spite of these warnings.

People of Chinese descent who support today's anti-immigrant rhetoric are guilty of hypocrisy and disrepect for what their ancestors endured and accomplished.

CJ . . . WAKE UP . . . yer dreamin' . . .

I'm wide awake - and thank you for your oh-so-politically incorrect description of my former home!

automobile rental company. personally, i like enterprise better....

Political rectitude is never a goal of mine, your strawman assertions to the contrary notwithstanding.

DTOM.

I am not saying that all non-Euro immigrants were illegal.

In fact I am saying almost the opposite. Many of your immigrant ancestors and mine, European and non came here illegally.

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of today's Americans, many of whom were descended from yesterday's illegal immigrants, now attacking todays illegal immigrants.

I brought up Chinese immigration, because Chinese immigrants were the first illegal immigrants (because of the Chinese exclusion act). The same rants you hear about Hispanics today, you heard about the anscestors of millions of today's Chinese-Americans.

But there were millions of illegal immigrants: Italian and Irish and Greek and Chinese who came in the early 1900s. Many smuggled on ships. Many came to Canada and slipped accross the border. Many came to be exploited as workers and just stayed.

We all agree that America is a country founded on immigrants. But the mythology is that all immigrants of earlier days were legal... the Hallmark card version at Ellis Island.

The truth is quite a bit more messy. Many came legally. But, millions of Europeans and non Europeans came illegally, and became our ancestors.

Immigrants faced the same rants that CJ gives now. They faced bias against their religion, questions about their ability to assimilate, hatred for the fact they took resources away from deserving Americans, and fears they took jobs.

In the 1920s there were the same hysterical cries that there were "millions" of illegal immigrants spreading Catholicism and stealing jobs.

okay. just wanted to clear that up.

by the way, just a reminder; both sides of my family have been in the u.s. prior to any form of immigration law. so, please don't include me in your statement on "ancestors" coming illegally. i know.. another nit.

my grandfather did, however, manage to successfully bring several jewish families here out of nazi germany, provide them with wages and living quarters while teaching them the printing and lithography trade in the 1930s.

i'm pretty proud of him for that. wish i'd known him.