This oft-recurring daft argument about whether or not the bushites tried to put the idea of imminent threat into Americans' minds, and what exact words were used, is an insult to anyone of average intelligence. It's just like "depends on what 'is', is". This argument is the one that started solidifying in my mind that the bushophiles don't care about truth one little bit - just in following their boy wherever he leads...
"There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."
- White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03
"We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
President Bush, 7/17/03
Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
- White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03
"Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
- President Bush, 7/2/03
"Absolutely."
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
"We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
- President Bush 4/24/03
"The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03
"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
- Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03
"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
- President Bush, 3/19/03
"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
- President Bush, 3/16/03
"This is about imminent threat."
- White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/31/03
Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
- Vice President Cheney, 1/30/03
"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03
"Well, of course he is."
- White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question "is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home?", 1/26/03
"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
"The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. Â…Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
- President Bush, 1/3/03
"The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
- President Bush, 11/23/02
"I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before?
When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02
"Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
- President Bush, 11/3/02
"I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
- President Bush, 11/1/02
"There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
- President Bush, 10/28/02
"The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
- President Bush, 10/16/02
"There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
- President Bush, 10/7/02
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02
"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
- President Bush, 10/2/02
"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
- President Bush, 9/26/02
"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons. "
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
"Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
- Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/29/02
Misleading. The country. Into war.
On another thread cicerone imposter wrote:All you righties know to do is use ad hominems. Grow up!
cicerone imposter wrote:Brandon wouldn't know the truth from a lie if it slapped him in the face. There's no cure for stupid.
Why do you pretend to deplore ad hominem attacks, c.i.? You're obviously a big fan of that device. In fact, we could probably fill several pages with your recent ad hominem attacks on those with whom you disagree.
Tico, Read snoods post on the top of this page. If you guys don't understand what lies are, why are you so concerned about my labels for liars and supporters of liars?
Worth posting here:
A Collapsing Presidency
By Paul Craig Roberts
The latest national survey by the PewResearchCenter finds that President Bush's support among the American people has fallen to 33%. Even more devastatingly, the survey finds that people's most frequently used one-word description of President Bush is "incompetent."
cicerone imposter wrote:Tico, Read snoods post on the top of this page. If you guys don't understand what lies are, why are you so concerned about my labels for liars and supporters of liars?
You are entitled to believe what you believe, c.i. You can even believe it strongly. And I'm entitled to believe you are misguided. But my calling you "misguided" is certainly no more an ad hominem than you calling someone you disagree with "stupid."
What I'm pointing out to you is your hypocrisy in crying about others engaging in ad hominem attacks, when it's clear you do the same thing.
Brandon and Tico spend their days nit picking every word used by Liberals, Democrats, or anyone who has an opposing view.
Tico makes short condescending comments that are virtually meaningless and Brandon keeps throwing out question after question. In most cases neither of them make any sense what so ever.
Then they bellyache because we don't play their silly games on their terms.
Now let's see..... what was that comment that Dick Cheney made to Patrick Leahy on the Senate floor?.................................
When it's true, I don't see it as "ad hominem." It's not personal or emotional; it's fact.
Maggs, Neocons call us "commie, Liebrals, unpatriotic, we love the enemy more than America, America haters, etc., etc.," and we don't hear a peep from the likes of Tico. They can't even be honest to themselves.
Yep, I'm wondering when Tico and Brandon are going to sign up for the military and walk the walk of that patriotism they whine about.
I have an enlistment form that I can fax to either or both of them.
cicerone imposter wrote:When it's true, I don't see it as "ad hominem." It's not personal or emotional; it's fact.
Calling someone stupid is a personal attack, c.i.
Magginkat wrote:Yep, I'm wondering when Tico and Brandon are going to sign up for the military and walk the walk of that patriotism they whine about.
I have an enlistment form that I can fax to either or both of them.
And if either of them is worried about being too close to the age limit ( I don't know their ages), good news! They've recently raised the maximum age for first time Army recruits to 39!
Tico, You mean when I say president Bush is "incompetent," it's a personal attack? Well, it seems the majority of Americans say the same thing, and it's not considered a personal attack or ad hominem. Wonder why?
cicerone imposter wrote:Tico, You mean when I say president Bush is "incompetent," it's a personal attack? Well, it seems the majority of Americans say the same thing, and it's not considered a personal attack or ad hominem. Wonder why?
It is an "ad hominem" attack, c.i., but I'm not talking about your frequent attacks on Bush. I'm referring to your frequent attacks on fellow posters at this site.
This is why I like the term "Eatme".
cjh, And that's the reason most people on a2k don't take you seriously.
Gee, you mean truth about Bush is not as important as the people who post on a2k? I always knew that, but didn't expect you to confirm that simple truth!
cicerone imposter wrote:cjh, And that's the reason most people on a2k don't take you seriously.
More like the truth hurts.
cjh, You're not paying attention to people that respond to your posts.