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Who Would Vote For bush Again?

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 01:35 pm
Why should I be? Let's see, there's:

A transgender rocker.
A liberal small business owner.
Someone who cannot say the word "God"
A traveller who goes on cruises where people would get mad if you brought a fishing pole.
Many who use avatars to present an image they cannot achieve.
People who call me racist for wanting illegal aliens deported.

I'm supposed to take these people seriously?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:33 pm
old europe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
He did not. I defy you to find one single quotation in which the president claimed that the threat from Iraq was imminent. What he said was that he wouldn't allow a gathering threat to become imminent while he did nothing.


So when Scott McClellan, on 2/10/03, said that "This is about imminent threat." - he didn't actually mean that it was about an imminent threat, but rather meant that it was about a threat that shouldn't be allowed to become imminent?

How do you know, Brandon? Are you in close contact with Scott? Or are you not talking about the Bush administration, just about Bush? Well, how about this quote:

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02

Well, from Brandon's mouth, this becomes

"What he said was that he wouldn't allow a gathering threat to become imminent while he did nothing."
- Brandon9000, 03/20/06

No, this is what I was thinking of:

Quote:
Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late.
- President Bush, Jan. 2003.


Bush never said that there was imminent danger of WMD use by Iraq. He was arguing that the danger was grave and not so very far off, but he did not say that it was imminent.


Source
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:41 pm
Magginkat wrote:
Brandon and Tico spend their days nit picking every word used by Liberals, Democrats, or anyone who has an opposing view.

Tico makes short condescending comments that are virtually meaningless and Brandon keeps throwing out question after question. In most cases neither of them make any sense what so ever.

Then they bellyache because we don't play their silly games on their terms.

Now let's see..... what was that comment that Dick Cheney made to Patrick Leahy on the Senate floor?.................................

I guess that by nitpicking every word and playing silly games, you mean requesting that you provide an example when you post unsubstantiated assertions. Are you not familiar with the fact that in debate someone making an assertion is supposed to provide support for it, and that if he does not, he can expect someone to ask him to?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:41 pm
So you found one quote in which Bush said the threat wasn't necessarily imminent, and there are other quotes in which he said it was.

What do you think you're proving? Clearly his message changed from one speech to the next.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:44 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
When it's true, I don't see it as "ad hominem." It's not personal or emotional; it's fact.

That's what every user of ad hominems says. However, these are simply ad hominems:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Brandon is either a comic or a sick man....Brandon wouldn't know the truth from a lie if it slapped him in the face. There's no cure for stupid.


So, on the one hand, you call people childish who use them, but on the other, you reply to perfectly calm, on topic, impersonal posts with name calling.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:46 pm
Magginkat wrote:
Yep, I'm wondering when Tico and Brandon are going to sign up for the military and walk the walk of that patriotism they whine about.

I have an enlistment form that I can fax to either or both of them.

I take it you find this discussion preferable to simply responding to comments and questions about your posts. You cannot disprove an argument by impeaching the character of the source, because anyone, regardless of his personal qualities, can be correct.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:46 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
So you found one quote in which Bush said the threat wasn't necessarily imminent, and there are other quotes in which he said it was.


I'm not aware of them, D'art. Can you provide some?

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What do you think you're proving? Clearly his message changed from one speech to the next.


Surely you see the difference between "urgent" and "imminent"?
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:47 pm
Chickenhawks lack the courage to actually do some of the bleeding! They are big on mouth, and small on action!!

Anon
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:48 pm
snood wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
Yep, I'm wondering when Tico and Brandon are going to sign up for the military and walk the walk of that patriotism they whine about.

I have an enlistment form that I can fax to either or both of them.


And if either of them is worried about being too close to the age limit ( I don't know their ages), good news! They've recently raised the maximum age for first time Army recruits to 39!

Frankly I find it pathetic that you respond to on-topic posts with jibes about the character of the posters, unaccompanied by any on-topic response. That is never a characteristic of people in the right.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:50 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
When it's true, I don't see it as "ad hominem." It's not personal or emotional; it's fact.



Calling someone stupid is a personal attack, c.i.


So is calling them pussies, especially when you have no personal courage of your own!!

Anon
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:52 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
So you found one quote in which Bush said the threat wasn't necessarily imminent, and there are other quotes in which he said it was....

Would you mind citing one in which he said the threat from Iraqi WMDs was imminent? Thanks.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:54 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
Chickenhawks lack the courage to actually do some of the bleeding! They are big on mouth, and small on action!!

Anon

We are merely asking that assertions be backed by evidence. It is inappropriate to respond to such on-topic requests with speculations about the character of the posters.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 02:58 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
Chickenhawks lack the courage to actually do some of the bleeding! They are big on mouth, and small on action!!

Anon

We are merely asking that assertions be backed by evidence. It is inappropriate to respond to such on-topic requests with speculations about the character of the posters.


It's not speculation!

However ... About imminent threats ... from Bush!

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/iraqimminent.html

Anon
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:03 pm
"We are merely asking that assertions be backed by evidence."

It's a pity you didn't demand the same of your President before he embarked on his Iraqi misadventure. A couple thousand guys might not be dead.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:05 pm
Anon, It doesn't matter how much proof is presented to righties that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. That they would continue to accept what Bush and this administration said and continues to say about Iraq should be evidence enough that they're not living in the "real" world.

Cheney said "this is not a civil war." This administration now has the temerity to define English words now.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Anon, It doesn't matter how much proof is presented to righties that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. That they would continue to accept what Bush and this administration said and continues to say about Iraq should be evidence enough that they're not living in the "real" world.

You don't know, because no proof has ever been presented on A2K. If there is such a superabundance of proof that Bush lied (intentionally and knowingly said something false), perhaps you would favor us with just one tiny scrap of it. And don't post a link to 1,000 vague claims, just cite one statement by Bush and then give a shred of evidence that it was a lie. The fact is that you cannot.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Anon, It doesn't matter how much proof is presented to righties that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. That they would continue to accept what Bush and this administration said and continues to say about Iraq should be evidence enough that they're not living in the "real" world.

Cheney said "this is not a civil war." This administration now has the temerity to define English words now.


Cheney is just another chickenheart coward who wants others to bleed for him . At least he's smart enough to cash in on it! Of course, for him, that was quite the point of all this!

Anon
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:11 pm
blacksmithn wrote:
"We are merely asking that assertions be backed by evidence."

It's a pity you didn't demand the same of your President before he embarked on his Iraqi misadventure. A couple thousand guys might not be dead.

That is a different debate, and I will not allow you to change the subject. It does not excuse posters here from making unsupported assertions and reacting indignantly when asked to support them.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:13 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
Chickenhawks lack the courage to actually do some of the bleeding! They are big on mouth, and small on action!!

Anon

We are merely asking that assertions be backed by evidence. It is inappropriate to respond to such on-topic requests with speculations about the character of the posters.


It's not speculation!

However ... About imminent threats ... from Bush!

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/iraqimminent.html

Anon



Bush's actual quote from that SOU speech:

Quote:
"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late."


LINK

But don't let the truth get in the way of your desperate need to distort.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 03:13 pm
Okay, Brandon, show proof of WMDs Bush and company said we were going to stop with his illegal preemptive attack on Iraq?

Evidence only counts here.
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