Who Would Vote For bush Again?

If we can go back to the question, seven years ago a whole bunch of folks wanted to make Clinton the King. I clearly remember the howls of protest in the Bay Area as they realized the pendulum was going to swing away from them. "We want to vote for Clinton again! Term limits stink!"

What's new about that rant? Nothing. Now, if we can just get rid of Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin, the two "senators" from CA, and a host of others, the U.S. might have a fighting chance.

I can salute the Marines if I choose to, unlike you, and I am quite confident the EXTREME majority of the USMC agrees with me.

if ya say so.

though i'm not sure what makes you think that i cannot salute the marines, or anybody else i want to.

either way, saluting the marines is much different than being a marine.

sayin' "yo, wuzzup" doesn't make ya a homie.


just messin' with ya, man. your comin' on heavy with the blame clinton, blame liberals, excuse bush stuff today.

givin' it back to ya a little, tha's all. :wink:

A Tale of Two Scandals

This is what the world of Bush followers looks like. "Reporters should be thrown into prison. Citizens should be removed from political events for wearing political t-shirts. The President has the right to break the law for our own good. Politicians who criticize the Administration are traitors and should be imprisoned, or worse. And Supreme Court Justices should be impeached -- or worse. Does any of that sound like America to you?"

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/

Don't bet on that cjhso...... You should check out Military Familes Speak Out web site. I also belong to two groups of military familes and they have plenty to say about your idiot leader. I guess you missed the polls from a few days ago that showed that most of the military wants to come home from Iraq.... like 72%!


My son just came back from Iraq and I know first hand what most of the soldiers are saying about those thugs who are screwing the military left and right. The guys in his platoon were constantly asking for my cartoons of bu$h, Rummy, cheney, etc. to decorate their tent. I kept them posted about what Chicken George was doing to the military, like the cuts to their families. Of course they knew about the lack of supplies as I had to buy gun cleaning kits for my son and some of his platoon. I'm sure that you have heard how the soldiers were sent into battle with inadequate supplies.

The armor plated hummers are still sitting on the sidelines waiting for something. No one seems to know just what the hold up in shipping might be and the soldiers keep on dying.

The only thing you got right in your comment was the word EXTREME... yep the extremist agree with you but that's about it.

Not to mention the simple fact that the 80 percent casualty of the marines was caused by inadequate equipment. With over 16,000 wounded, and at least one in three returning home with mental disorders, this admnistration has the gall to cut veteran's benefits. Righties talk about the increase in the budget, but that doesn't solve the logistic problems: when you have many more coming home wounded, the budget needs to increase relative to the increase in vets needing services. In other words, if there's an increase in veterans needing services by 50 percent, increasing the budget by 15 percent just doesn't cut it. DUH!

Not only that but king george has increased our prescription costs again for the second time within the year. Other co-pays have also increased also.

I heard Frist or one of those damn fools spewing some crap about the reason for the huge increase in Chicken george's budget this year was the war. Hogwash, the War is not even included in the budget figures.

Every time we turn our back, one of those SOBs is trying to cut something else from Vets. Let's see Chicken george doing his compassionate conservative act in front of a bunch of Veterans who are struggling to buy medicine, or who came back from Bush's hell hole minus legs or arms, who are still waiting for that first appointment six months after arriving home.

There is nothing more despicable than that coward strutting on stage in front of a military group and putting on his commander in chief act. It's truly enough to gag a maggot. He should be impeached for using them as a backdrop for his obscene lies.

amen, sis.

maggs, What galls me more is the ovation the military gives Bush as he stabs them all in the back at all levels.

Hey, don't knock the best leader to stumble across the world stage since Nero picked up his fiddle!

gives a whole new meaning to "turkey in the straw"...

tstraw.mid.webloc

DTOM, Don't you mean straw in the turkey? Bush = turkey. Straw inside turkey.

wha' ? like he should get stuffed ?

Alright, then, unlike most of us who are debating competing ideas, your activity here on this board is simply to state opinions without evidence. When you are asked for evidence that anything you say is true, you become indignant. So be it, but the obvious conclusion is that you cannot support any of your opinions.

June 20, 2005

Posada arrest points to Bush's anti-terror hoax

By Saul Landau

President George W. Bush has emphasized that if one of the myriad of U.S. police agencies even suspect someone of planning, abetting or carrying out a terrorist act, he will, at a minimum, get tossed into a dark hole. Indeed, Bush has thrown the Magna Carta into the garbage heap when it comes to Muslims suspected of pernicious thoughts toward the United States. But if suspected terrorists turn their rage toward the detested Fidel Castro, these rules don't apply.

Indeed, those who try to bomb Cuban targets, or those related to Cuba, receive special treatment. This double-standard casts a shadow over the president's commitment to fight terrorism.

For example, TV footage showed Homeland Security cops arresting Posada in mid May. But the arresting officers didn't even handcuff the Western Hemisphere's most notorious terrorist. (Remember how Bush's pal Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay ? ENRON's CEO ? got handcuffed?) Justice Department spokespeople said they plan to charge the foremost terrorist in the western hemisphere with "illegal entry into the United States."

The FBI has reams of files on Posada, affectionately called "Bambi" by his terrorist friends. Former FBI Special Agent Carter Cornick told New York Times reporter Tim Weiner that Posada was "up to his eyeballs" in the October 1976 destruction of a Cuban commercial airliner over Barbados. All 73 passengers and crew members died. Recently published FBI and CIA documents not only confirm Cornick's statement, but also reveal that U.S. agencies had knowledge of the plot and did not inform Cuban authorities or try to stop the bombing.

Posada denied involvement at the time, but police nabbed two of the plotters who had disembarked in Barbados. They fingered Posada as the man who hired them to place the bomb on the plane. His name became ubiquitous in the files of agencies that monitored terrorists. Nevertheless, several weeks after Posada announced his presence on U.S. soil, Roger Noriega, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, still claimed he had no information that Posada had even entered the country.

Posada himself promoted his high international profile. So that the world knew of his exploits, he boasted to New York Times reporters Anne Bardach and Larry Rohter in 1998 that he had organized a sabotage campaign of Cuban tourist spots. In 1997, one of Posada's agents in Cuba detonated a bomb at a Cuban hotel that killed an Italian tourist. Posada replied that "it was a freak accident, but I sleep like a baby." A hardened terrorist can't afford to be sentimental!

In 1999, Panamanian police discovered that the 71-year-old Posada, between visits to his proctologist, conspired with three other anti-Castro geezers to assassinate Cuba's leader in Panama. Castro was to give a public speech there.

This quartet of seniors, Guillermo Novo, Pedro Remon, Gaspar Jimenez and Posada, planned to blow up the platform from which Castro would speak. After Panamanian police arrested them, they denied any involvement. "What proof do they have?" sneered Posada et. al. ? a mere set of their fingerprints on the explosives found in their rented car.

This March, Posada entered the U.S. surreptitiously. He left Panama less than a year after out-going Panamanian President Mireyea Moscoso pardoned him and his accomplices.

Moscoso also apparently contravened Panamanian law by issuing the pardons before the appeals process had ended. The Panamanian press mused about the "coincidence" between the issuing of pardons and the simultaneous $4 million deposited in her Swiss bank account.

After pardoning the geezers, Moscoso phoned U.S. Ambassador Simon Ferro, saying she had complied with Washington's request to release the men.

On May 20, 2004, the four caught a waiting airplane that took them to Honduras. There, Posada, the veritable padrino of Latin American terrorism, disembarked while the other three continued to Miami so their arrival could coincide with President Bush's campaign stop. They entered the United States without problems, despite their terrorist rap sheets.

Did Homeland Security personnel read Bush's November 26, 2001 declaration? "If anybody harbors a terrorist, they're a terrorist." Did Bush send a note to anti-terrorist agencies explaining that they should make exceptions for "zealous patriots" who wanted to assassinate Castro ? and anyone else who happened to be near him when the bomb went off?

Indeed, all four pardoned Castro-haters had for decades tried to assassinate and commit sabotage against Cuban and other officials and properties in New York, Mexico and the Caribbean.

A Washington D.C. jury had convicted Guillermo Novo first of conspiring to assassinate former Chilean Chancellor Orlando Letelier. When an appeals court reversed that conviction on procedural grounds, a second jury in 1982 found Novo guilty of perjury for lying to a grand jury about his knowledge of the assassination plot. In September 1976, five Cubans working with Chilean secret police agents on orders from Generalissimo Augusto Pinochet had car-bombed Letelier on Washington's Embassy Row.

Ronni Moffitt, Letelier's young colleague at the Institute for Policy Studies, also died in the bombing. The FBI also knew that Posada had knowledge of the plot to kill Letelier.

Born Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles in Cienfuegos, Cuba in 1928, this Cuban expatriate served on dictator Fulgencio Batista's repressive forces until the January 1959 revolutionary takeover. Posada then swore vengeance.

The CIA recruited him for its 1961 invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs. But the Agency placed Posada in an anti-Castro version of the Waffen SS, a squad that would "mop up" after the invaders had prevailed. Following the April fiasco, the CIA sent Posada for "training" at Fort Benning, Georgia, to learn about spying, using explosives and other lethal devices. In 1971, working out of Venezuela, he partnered with Antonio Veciana, founder of Alpha 66, another anti-Castro terrorist group, to plan an elaborate plot to assassinate Castro.

In a 1996 interview, Veciana told me how he and Posada had recruited two Venezuelan hit men, disguised them as a TV news crew and sent them to Santiago, Chile, before Castro arrived on a visit. Meanwhile, the assassins "blended in" with the press corps. CIA technicians had outfitted their news camera with a gun. Fortunately for Fidel, the assassins chickened out. Posada, enraged over such cowardice, recruited other assassins to use the same lethal camera on Castro when he stopped in Caracas for a press conference on his return to Cuba. Those whackers also had second thoughts and the plot failed again.

Perhaps Posada's frustration over the failed 1971 hits abated after the "success" of his 1976 Barbados air sabotage. After Venezuelan authorities charged him with responsibility for the airline bombing, they tossed him into prison while appeal after appeal took place ? until August 1985. Then, someone who knew and admired Posada ? perhaps Jorge Mas Canosa, leader of the Cuban American Nation Foundation in Miami, who is listed with a $50 note next to his name in Lt. Col. Oliver North's notebooks, published by the Iran-Contra Congressional subcommittees --? bribed prison authorities to help Posada "escape."

Following his "escape," North then engaged this fugitive to re-supply the CIA-backed Contras from El Salvador. When the United States stopped funding the Contra War, with the 1990 electoral defeat of the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, Posada returned to the bombing business. This time, he selected bombing hotels in Cuba, a strategic target that would impair Castro's foreign exchange source by making the island a dangerous spot for European tourists. Posada told Times reporters Bardach and Rohter that the money came from wealthy Cubans in Miami.

Given Posada's own boasting and from the available evidence in published documents, the Justice Department had to either try him for terrorist acts or deport him to Venezuela, which has requested his extradition. He plotted the 1976 airliner bombing from Caracas and escaped from prison there. He also apparently committed murder and torture there as well. Despite this overwhelming documentation, however, the Justice Department rejected Venezuela's May 2005 extradition request to try Posada for this crime on the grounds that the request lacked sufficient detail.

One wonders: Did Posada announce his illegal presence in the United States with the idea that U.S. government complicity in aiding and abetting his past acts of terrorism would protect him? U.S. authorities didn't inform Cuba or try to stop the 1976 air-bombing plot, and in 1971, as Veciana stated, the CIA made the gun that Posada's agents placed inside the camera to assassinate Castro. And Ollie North has knowledge of Posada's covert activities for U.S. intelligence as well.

Given Washington's decade long history of terrorism aimed at Cuba, Bush might ask his staff to re-word the doctrinaire anti-terrorist statements they write for his press conferences.

After the foul 9/11 deeds, a few wise counselors had recommended that Bush leave the anti-terrorist campaign to police and judicial agencies. But Bush insisted on war. By employing the military to this task and in the process justifying the erosion of human rights as necessary to fighting terrorism, the world has come to think of the U.S. government as hypocritical ? at best.

Posada, an old U.S. terrorist chicken, has come home to roost in Bush's nest. He has also exposed Bush's anti-terrorist policies as a hoax.

Saul Landau teaches at Cal Poly Pomona University and is a fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies. He wrote Assassination on Embassy Row, an account of the Letelier-Moffitt murders, (with John Dinges).

Make your own judgement, but it's clear some people won't see the truth about Bush the Terrorist.

You spend all day reading that propaganda c.i.? It would explain a lot.

I'd vote for Bush again. Over and over!

If my last name was Bin Laden...

You righties use the same old, tiring, refrain; we're all commies, we hate America, we only read left-wing media, we're the enemy because we don't support Bush and our military, and we don't see the progress being made in Iraq.

I won't see any progress in Iraq until we pull out and glass the whole place over. That would be progress.

"glass the whole place over"? That's a euphemism for what, cjhsa, killing everything that moves?