Wolf_ODonnell wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:InfraBlue wrote:Roxxxanne wrote:
He gassed his own people!!!
Yes. To be more specific,
he gassed his own people that were in league with that other person of the triumvirate axishead of evil, IRAN.
For its part, the US would rather MOAB these people instead.
I guess one can argue that MOABING is better than GASSING.
He intentionally killed everyone in an entire town, including women and children - not by mistake, but by design. We never kill non-combatants on purpose. I guess the babies were in league with Iran too, right?
Actually, Churchill gassed the Kurds too. And he bombed them as well, just like Saddam did. Of course, Churchill is long since dead, so we can ignore what he did right?
Let's kill Saddam. Then we can ignore what he did too.
No, thanks. I'd rather give Hussein a fair trial for the crimes he's charged with and then, if he is found guilty, give him the appropriate sentence, which I suspect would be execution.
I am not familiar with the Churchill event. Did he intentionally set out to wipe out an entire town with a specific intent to kill every living thing there?
InfraBlue wrote:Roxxxanne wrote:
He gassed his own people!!!
Yes. To be more specific, he gassed his own people that were in league with that other person of the triumvirate axishead of evil, IRAN.
The Kurds were in league with Iran?
Roxxxanne wrote:McGentrix wrote:
Outside of Baghdad and Falluja, Iraqi's [sic]are now enjoying a peaceful existance[sic] not seen in more than 30 years.
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/63838.htm
"February 20, 2006 -- MAYOR'S LETTER THANKS U.S. TROOPS FOR LIBERATING HIS CITY
WASHINGTON ?- An Iraqi mayor has written a dramatic letter to the commander of coalition forces, praising U.S. troops as "lion hearts" and "knights" for liberating his city from al Qaeda terrorists.
The emotional letter from gallant Tal' Afar Mayor Najim Abdullah Abid Al-Jibouri to Gen. George Casey is circulating among military families over the Internet and has created a surge of pride in troops.
Al-Jibouri's letter calls soldiers of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, who carried out recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal' Afar "lion hearts," who "bristle with the confidence of knights in a bygone era."
He said the troops transformed his western Iraqi city from a "ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, into a secure city flourishing with life."
Al-Jibouri also offered special words to the families of the 39 Americans who paid the ultimate sacrifice in the battle to save his city. "To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence for the souls of your loved ones," he wrote. "
That should give you something to roll your eyes at!
Are the people of Iraq better off today than they were under Saddam?
McGentrix wrote:Saddam apologists give me the urge to defecate.
Outside of Baghdad and Falluja, Iraqi's are now enjoying a peaceful existance not seen in more than 30 years.
Glorifying or apologizing for any dictator's regime as absolutely misplaced. But to state that "outside of Baghdad and Falluja, Iraqi's are now enjoying a peaceful existance" testifies complete blindness for current events.
Here, McGentrix,
here's a link for you...
(I absolutely fail to understand why people can't condemn Saddam and simultanously see the situation in Iraq for what it is....)
au1929 wrote:Are the people of Iraq better off today than they were under Saddam?
Probably, and if they're not, the fault can be laid at the feet of the insurgents.
Brandon9000 wrote:au1929 wrote:Are the people of Iraq better off today than they were under Saddam?
Probably, and if they're not, the fault can be laid at the feet of the insurgents.
There wouldn't be insurgents if the US were not occupying the country. Your logic is circular.
NickFun wrote:Brandon, things were not so bad under Saddam for most folks. They had free health care, free schools, including college and homelessness did not exist.
Yeah, and under Mussolini, at least the trains rode on time. And you can say what you want about Hitler, but in Nazi Germany there was full employment - not to mention the beautiful highways they built. And under Stalin, there was little street crime - well, little street crime apart from the state-sponsored stuff, anyway.
McGentrix wrote:Saddam apologists give me the urge to defecate.
Good for you,
McG. It's important to stay regular.
Brandon, Mcg.
Do you still believe that the invasion of Iraq was a necessary action.
Brandon9000 wrote:au1929 wrote:Are the people of Iraq better off today than they were under Saddam?
Probably, and if they're not, the fault can be laid at the feet of the insurgents.
Sure. You can't blame the invading force for loosing control over the country after having done away with Saddam's version of "law and order".
It actually came from nowhere. Nobody urged Rumsfeld to send more troops, and nobody ever argued that the post-invasion phase should have been planned for.
Nevermind.
WASHINGTON ?- An Iraqi mayor has written a dramatic letter to the commander of coalition forces, praising U.S. troops as "lion hearts" and "knights" for liberating his city from al Qaeda terrorists.
The emotional letter from gallant Tal' Afar Mayor Najim Abdullah Abid Al-Jibouri to Gen. George Casey is circulating among military families over the Internet and has created a surge of pride in troops.
Al-Jibouri's letter calls soldiers of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, who carried out recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal' Afar "lion hearts," who "bristle with the confidence of knights in a bygone era."
He said the troops transformed his western Iraqi city from a "ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, into a secure city flourishing with life."
Al-Jibouri also offered special words to the families of the 39 Americans who paid the ultimate sacrifice in the battle to save his city. "To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence for the souls of your loved ones," he wrote.
"We see them in the smile of every child, and in every flower growing in this land."
The letter is having a profound impact on those who fought in Tal' Afar.
Col. H.R. McMaster, commander of the regiment's 4,700 soldiers, told The Post in an e-mail from Iraq: "It is a moving tribute to our courageous, disciplined, tough and compassionate troopers.
"I think it is easy for people to understand the sacrifices that come with military service, but more difficult to understand the intangible rewards," he added.
Al-Jibouri is a Sunni Arab and a former officer in Saddam Hussein's military who was recently brought to the area from another part of the country by the new Iraqi government.
Over the summer and fall, he worked side by side with McMaster on Operation Restore Rights, a military campaign that targeted Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq.
The group used the city of 250,000 located 40 miles from the Syrian border as its epicenter for smuggling money, material and suicide bombers.
"Our city was the main base of operations for . . . Zarqawi. The city was completely held hostage by his henchmen . . . Our streets were silent and no one dared to walk them," al-Jibouri wrote in the letter.
"Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve . . . their young," he added.
Working closely with tribal leaders and Iraqi army recruits, the 3rd Cavalry evacuated civilians in September and carried out precision block-by-block, house-by-house operations in a textbook campaign that routed the terrorists while limiting the kind of collateral damage that plagued other U.S. military operations in cities like Fallujah.
While there are still terrorist attacks in the city, the numbers are way down and schools are open, police stations have been rebuilt and a municipal government is starting to function, the military says.
The regiment, which also fought in the invasion of Iraq in 2003, is now in the process of redeploying back to Fort Carson, Colo., after its second yearlong stint in Iraq.
The mayor's letter to Casey is being handed out to families at homecoming ceremonies at Fort Carson, adding a sense of "mission accomplished" to the joy returning soldiers and their families are experiencing, said McMaster's wife, Katie.
"We are all thrilled about this letter and so very proud of our soldiers," Mrs. McMaster told The Post.
woiyo wrote:The mayor's letter to Casey is being handed out to families at homecoming ceremonies at Fort Carson, adding a sense of "mission accomplished" to the joy returning soldiers and their families are experiencing, said McMaster's wife, Katie.
I'm glad this is adding a sense of "mission accomplished".
I'm glad US soldiers succeeded in ridding the city of Al Qaeda terrorists that had gained control because of the US invasion of Iraq, even though I find the "collateral damage" more than regrettable.
However, does that mean that the Iraqis are now better off than under Saddam?
NickFun wrote:Brandon, things were not so bad under Saddam for most folks. They had free health care, free schools, including college and homelessness did not exist. Thanks to us there are a million homeless, the schools are gone and no health care. These are things we don't read about here in the states.
Please don't damage the conservatives' fantasy world. They've got so little to hold onto.
