Quote:One of the main tenets of this country is dissent and freedom to dissent; yet those on the right call me a traitor and say that I don't love my country, because I strongly disagree with the fashion in which it is being ran, the debts we are mounting, the people we are killing. Are people not allowed to disagree, and still love the country?
I find it interesting that you say this.
I remember that the left,during the stupidity that was the Clinton investigations,were often saying that the right hated the country,that they were undermining the President,that they were traitors,etc.
Both sides are guilty,yet the left seems to be the ones expressing outrage.
Do they not remember their words at the time?
It is hard to say, because I was both in High school at the time, AND a Republican. So I don't remember exactly what the left was saying.
It should be pretty easy for you to hunt up some links for us, though.
Cycloptichorn
Cyclops, it isn't the dissent that causes my questioning people liking this country. It is what the dissent is about. Some of the Democrat's talking points can be used by OBL as his talking points.
okie wrote:Cyclops, it isn't the dissent that causes my questioning people liking this country. It is what the dissent is about. Some of the Democrat's talking points can be used by OBL as his talking points.
You are assuming that this means that the Dems must be traitors to the country. You don't have any belief that some of our enemies' criticisms of US behavior might actually be valid?
I don't support terrorism and I don't support overreacting to terrorism.
Cycloptichorn
mm wrote
Quote:I remember that the left,during the stupidity that was the Clinton investigations,were often saying that the right hated the country,that they were undermining the President,that they were traitors,etc.
I recall no such commentary, using those terms, whatsoever. I'd be really surprised if you could find even one example. You certainly will not be able to provide or find the multiplicity of instances such as we see now, including originating with the administration spokespersons.
blatham wrote:mm wrote
Quote:I remember that the left,during the stupidity that was the Clinton investigations,were often saying that the right hated the country,that they were undermining the President,that they were traitors,etc.
I recall no such commentary, using those terms, whatsoever. I'd be really surprised if you could find even one example. You certainly will not be able to provide or find the multiplicity of instances such as we see now, including originating with the administration spokespersons.
Remember Hillary's "right wing conspiracy"?
Those are her words,blaming the right for her husbands stupidity.
Are you saying she wasnt speaking for the admin then?
okie wrote:FreeDuck wrote:What do you like about it?
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Free Duck, you ask the question as if what in the world could you like about it?
No, I asked because I want you to be explicit. Tone doesn't come across well in writing, sometimes. It was an honest question with no other interpretation.
Quote:You go on to explain what you like, mainly you like the ability to correct all the wrongs the country has perpetrated as if it truly was a lousy country but finally it is being straightened out slowly, of course thanks to liberals. Have I got that right?
No.
Quote:And to repeat, Revel confirmed my assertion that many libs simply do not like the country.
No, revel confirmed that an America that is represented by the people she quoted would be an America that she doesn't like.
Quote:Should I even have to say what I love about this country. I love it because of almost everything about it, the principles it stands for, the opportunities afforded anybody, yes anybody, to be happy if they want to be, and to live and work and do just about anything they wish. Its called the pursuit of happiness.
Those are things that I like as well. I'm not sure why you think that "libs", "democrats" and "media people" don't.
mysteryman wrote:blatham wrote:mm wrote
Quote:I remember that the left,during the stupidity that was the Clinton investigations,were often saying that the right hated the country,that they were undermining the President,that they were traitors,etc.
I recall no such commentary, using those terms, whatsoever. I'd be really surprised if you could find even one example. You certainly will not be able to provide or find the multiplicity of instances such as we see now, including originating with the administration spokespersons.
Remember Hillary's "right wing conspiracy"?
Those are her words,blaming the right for her husbands stupidity.
Are you saying she wasnt speaking for the admin then?
Did she say that the "right wing conspiracy" hated America?
mysteryman wrote:blatham wrote:mm wrote
Quote:I remember that the left,during the stupidity that was the Clinton investigations,were often saying that the right hated the country,that they were undermining the President,that they were traitors,etc.
I recall no such commentary, using those terms, whatsoever. I'd be really surprised if you could find even one example. You certainly will not be able to provide or find the multiplicity of instances such as we see now, including originating with the administration spokespersons.
Remember Hillary's "right wing conspiracy"?
Those are her words,blaming the right for her husbands stupidity.
Are you saying she wasnt speaking for the admin then?
You said
Quote:the left,during the stupidity that was the Clinton investigations,were often saying that the right hated the country,that they were undermining the President,that they were traitors,etc.
I challenge you to find instances - even one - in that period where it was claimed that "the right hated the country" or that the right were "traitors".
Hey blatham, if Cheney entertained evil oil lobbyists instead of Chinese arms dealers, then it would be over. No wonder Cheney doesn't want people to know.
A Bible verse that Republicans should take to heart:
Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth.
okie wrote:Here is what I said:
"Well, Bush is looking for a few media people that still like America."
I said that in a flippant manner to get people's attention, but I am serious about this statement to the extent that many Democrats seem to criticize so many things about this country. I wonder if they really like this country. Are they just unhappy people or would they rather live somewhere else?
There isn't much to like about America. I wonder why okie and bernie -- the many faces of Adam -- refuse to see how much room for improvement there is? Resting on one's laurels -- seeing the glass as bloatedly full -- does no one any good.
okie wrote:Hey blatham, if Cheney entertained evil oil lobbyists instead of Chinese arms dealers, then it would be over. No wonder Cheney doesn't want people to know.
okie
It's known that he did meet with oil execs/lobbyists.
There is nothing wrong with a Vice President talking with energy corporation executives. There's a lot wrong with denying citizens any and all information regarding such meetings and discussions. What Cheney is attempting here is a form of secretive governance which is not significantly different than the way the Politburo functioned. His contention is that citizens have no right to know.
I hope you understand that this isn't a partisan issue. There would be no less threat to functioning democracy if a Green Party or Dem vice president operated in this manner.
Blatham, you are practicing partisanship at its finest. Where were your demands to know everything about the Chinese arms dealers visiting Clinton, and where are the demands to know exactly what they said and agreed to?
Also, are lobbyists illegal now all of a sudden?
Thank goodness we have people in government that actually know something about energy. And why not talk to the people that know something about it? But since when is every meeting in the White House now expected to be published? To my knowledge, it never has been expected ever in history, blatham. To suggest it is different now and somehow like the Politburo is absolute nonsense.
plainoldme wrote:okie wrote:Here is what I said:
"Well, Bush is looking for a few media people that still like America."
I said that in a flippant manner to get people's attention, but I am serious about this statement to the extent that many Democrats seem to criticize so many things about this country. I wonder if they really like this country. Are they just unhappy people or would they rather live somewhere else?
There isn't much to like about America. I wonder why okie and bernie -- the many faces of Adam -- refuse to see how much room for improvement there is? Resting on one's laurels -- seeing the glass as bloatedly full -- does no one any good.
POM now on record also, claiming there isn't much to like about America. Revel claims now he was misunderstood, that he just dislikes the America as represented by Bush. My suspicions keep being confirmed, that liberals really do not like America. I didn't think you would admit it, POM!
okie
Don't know what to say to you. Pick up some good books on Lincoln. Sign up for a university level first year course in polical science. Stop watching Fox or listening to Rush. Go to the bookstore and buy "Fiasco".
But you won't do any one of those things.
Well, I've been through college long ago, and I have read Lincoln books, one maybe a couple of years ago on his quotes, letters, and speeches. I don't really know what things you are focusing on here? Some of the things Lincoln did, if he were in office now, the press would be absolutely tearing him to shreds. Things like keeping a bible around, quoting from it, whew...... talk about "religious right" accusations, blatham!!!!!!! Plus his suspension of rights of individuals during the Civil War, they put Bush to shame, blatham. Combine that with his apparent homeliness on TV, let the Hollywood leftists deal with that for a while!!!!
Then combine the above with a few hundred thousand Americans dead because of a SENSELESS war, not just 3,000 dead but more than 100 times that number, plus abuse and deaths of prisoners, and probably Lincoln lied somewhere along the way, I am sure they could construe something, Lincoln would be the worst president and devil of all time.
Thanks to Rush, and a few others similar to him, we get meaningful news. Try it, blatham, and expand your horizons beyond liberal indoctrination.
