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Information control, or, How to get to Orwellian governance

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 01:46 am
MarionT wrote:
Okie- Blotham is like a visitor who comes to your home and then urinates on the floor. Like most Canadians with bad manners and even though he had never gotten involved in a political campaign before and will not in the future, unless he can get someone to push the wheelchair. Because he is a left wing partisan he will not tell us on these threads of the illegalities going on in Canada that make our peccadillos look like nothing.

Read below, Okie-

.....


MarionT, what do you hope to accomplish with your roving potshots? If you hope to be taken seriously, how about settling on one identity?
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:06 am
Well, you see, Okie, when you rile the pouty children on these threads and you tell the truth and you give them data which they cannot handle, they run to Mommy and say, Mommy, that bad mans is writing truths that I can't handle..and Mommy says,Ok little boy. Now, some say that I should not snipe at some on these threads. I can, and I know you have noticed it yourself, reference threads when, about six months ago, when I attempted to be as polite as possible, Morons like the decrepit and ailing Blotham called one of my posts a piece of SH*T and then in another post indicated that I was like the SH*T that attached to his shoe.

But I don't run to Mommy. The cowards do, but I don't.

Setanta, ( it's in the records) repeatedly asked my why I post such Sh*t. Again, I did not run to Mommy.

I will continue to post until some coward who is unable to match my evidences runs to Mommy and I will use whatever name I have to use because the cowards have run to mommy. In the meantime( if you wish to see what the truth is like) go to the thread in Legal where I showed the phony Joe From Chicago what real research is like.

Joe from Chicago will probably run to Mommy.

Cheers- Okie and good luck!!!
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:21 am
MarionT wrote:

Cheers- Okie and good luck!!!


Well, you know I've supported much of your informational posts, Bernard, as that is who I knew you as best. You posted good info. on many subjects. I am also aware of the sleezy innuendos aimed at you.

However, I must stand up to be counted as one that believes fully in the fact that stooping into the gutter to sling mud only hurts your cause, Bernard. As much as the temptation seems appealing, to throw the mud back with gusto, it really accomplishes nothing.

You have to remember that even though scores of leftists and liberals roam these parts, there are still a few with good sound opinions. To name a few, Foxfyre, Ticomaya, Timberlandko, Minitax, mysteryman, ghsa, Asherman, and others. I apologize if I missed any.

Lashing out in frustration does not help the cause. Good opinions backed by sound evidence will change minds, if the minds are capable of changing. The ones that aren't don't matter anyway. Those that change their minds probably won't admit it here, at least for a long while.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:26 am
I don't lash out in frustration,Okie. I lash out in glee. How many people know that Blotham is a sick man and that affects what he writes? How many people know that Debra L A W is an old maid who works at Legal Aid and fancies herself as an expert on the L A W? How many people realize that Setanta is a doddering old fool who copies long passages WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION from old History books? How many people realize that Joe From Chicago is a shyster who thinks he knows law but, given the amount of time he spends on these threads, can only be a marginal attorney--( The good ones would never take the time to write on these threads).

No, Okie, This is not frustration. This is liberation and turning over the rock to find the snakes!
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:57 am
Where do you find out this stuff on people? I guess I am a novice at this. How long have you been at this?
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 03:05 am
It takes a while and patience.Go to search and put in the person's name and then read the posts. It takes time to find the person you want in the entire post especially if the thread is a long one.

If you do that, go back a year or so and note the names that I was called by Morons like Blotham and Setanta EVEN THOUGH I REMAINED VERY POLITE. UNLIKE THOSE BLUBBERING BABIES, I DID NOT GO TO MOMMA TO REPORT THEIR SCURRILOUS NAME CALLING. I FIGHT MY OWN BATTLES AND CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 04:38 am
As Tony Blair confided to Ted Turner, "If it weren't for Rupert, I wouldn't be PM."

These are the bones of broad information control by financial interests for the good of those financial interests.

Quote:
Murdoch buys stake in Australian rival

Chris Tryhorn and agencies
Friday October 20, 2006
MediaGuardian.co.uk

Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation has bought a stake in rival Australian newspaper group Fairfax, following changes to the country's media laws.
News Corp said the acquisition of a 7.5% stake, which cost around A$360m (£145m), represented "purely an investment".

However, it underlines Mr Murdoch's determination to take advantage of what has been described as the biggest shakeup of Australian media ownership rules in 20 years.

Earlier this week the country's parliament passed laws allowing more foreign investment and cross-media ownership in Australian media companies, though ministers have said the changes would not come into force until 2007.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1927275,00.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 07:10 am
Quote:
Iraq Aims to Limit Mortality Data
Health Ministry Told Not to Release Civilian Death Toll to U.N.

By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 20, 2006; Page A16

UNITED NATIONS, Oct. 19 -- Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's office has instructed the country's health ministry to stop providing mortality figures to the United Nations, jeopardizing a key source of information on the number of civilian war dead in Iraq, according to a U.N. document.

A confidential cable from the United Nations' top official in Baghdad, Ashraf Jehangir Qazi of Pakistan, said the Iraqi prime minister is seeking to exercise greater control over the release of the country's politically sensitive death toll. U.N. officials expressed concern that the move threatens to politicize the process of counting Iraq's dead and muddy international efforts to gain a clear snapshot of the scale of killing in Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/19/AR2006101901799.html
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 01:32 pm
okie wrote:

Thank goodness we have people in government that actually know something about energy.


Not certain whether the reply to this is:

We do?

or

Is it goodness that you're thanking?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 01:46 pm
okie wrote:


POM now on record also, claiming there isn't much to like about America. Revel claims now he was misunderstood, that he just dislikes the America as represented by Bush. My suspicions keep being confirmed, that liberals really do not like America. I didn't think you would admit it, POM!


You're even more naive than I thought.

Who would be happy in a warmongering nation, headed by an illiterate embarrassment?

Who would be happy when there are people like you running around, denying all the environmental problems we have, limiting the lives of everyone with sense and intelligence?
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 08:07 am
I haven't really read all the through these pages on this thread, so if someone has mentioned this, forgive me. I just find the" sentiment analysis" program troubling yet typical of the administration.

Software Being Developed to Monitor Opinions of U.S.

Quote:
WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 ?- A consortium of major universities, using Homeland Security Department money, is developing software that would let the government monitor negative opinions of the United States or its leaders in newspapers and other publications overseas.

Such a "sentiment analysis" is intended to identify potential threats to the nation, security officials said.

Researchers at institutions including Cornell, the University of Pittsburgh and the University of Utah intend to test the system on hundreds of articles published in 2001 and 2002 on topics like President Bush's use of the term "axis of evil," the handling of detainees at Guantánamo Bay, the debate over global warming and the coup attempt against President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.

A $2.4 million grant will finance the research over three years.

American officials have long relied on newspapers and other news sources to track events and opinions here and abroad, a goal that has included the routine translation of articles from many foreign publications and news services.

The new software would allow much more rapid and comprehensive monitoring of the global news media, as the Homeland Security Department and, perhaps, intelligence agencies look "to identify common patterns from numerous sources of information which might be indicative of potential threats to the nation," a statement by the department said.

It could take several years for such a monitoring system to be in place, said Joe Kielman, coordinator of the research effort. The monitoring would not extend to United States news, Mr. Kielman said.

"We want to understand the rhetoric that is being published and how intense it is, such as the difference between dislike and excoriate," he said.

Even the basic research has raised concern among journalism advocates and privacy groups, as well as representatives of the foreign news media.

"It is just creepy and Orwellian," said Lucy Dalglish, a lawyer and former editor who is executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

Andrei Sitov, Washington bureau chief of the Itar-Tass news agency of Russia, said he hoped that the objective did not go beyond simply identifying threats to efforts to stifle criticism about an American president or administration.

"This is what makes your country great, the open society where people can criticize their own government," Mr. Sitov said.

The researchers, using an grant provided by a research group once affiliated with the Central Intelligence Agency, have complied a database of hundreds of articles that it is being used to train a computer to recognize, rank and interpret statements.

The software would need to be able to distinguish between statements like "this spaghetti is good" and "this spaghetti is not very good ?- it's excellent," said Claire T. Cardie, a professor of computer science at Cornell.

Professor Cardie ranked the second statement as a more intense positive opinion than the first.

The articles in the database include work from many American newspapers and news wire services, including The Miami Herald and The New York Times, as well as foreign sources like Agence France-Presse and The Dawn, a newspaper in Pakistan.

One article discusses how a rabid fox bit a grazing cow in Romania, hardly a threat to the United States. Another item, an editorial in response to Mr. Bush's use in 2002 of "axis of evil" to describe Iraq, Iran and North Korea, said: "The U.S. is the first nation to have developed nuclear weapons. Moreover, the U.S. is the first and only nation ever to deploy such weapons."

The approach, called natural language processing, has been under development for decades. It is widely used to summarize basic facts in a text or to create abridged versions of articles.

But interpreting and rating expressions of opinion, without making too many errors, has been much more challenging, said Professor Cardie and Janyce M. Wiebe, an associate professor of computer science at the University of Pittsburgh. Their system would include a confidence rating for each "opinion" that it evaluates and would allow an official to refer quickly to the actual text that the computer indicates contains an intense anti-American statement.

Ultimately, the government could in a semiautomated way track a statement by specific individuals abroad or track reports by particular foreign news outlets or journalists, rating comments about American policies or officials.

Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, said the effort recalled the aborted 2002 push by a Defense Department agency to develop a tracking system called Total Information Awareness that was intended to detect terrorists by analyzing troves of information.

"That is really chilling," Mr. Rotenberg said. "And it seems far afield from the mission of homeland security."

Federal law prohibits the Homeland Security Department or other intelligence agencies from building such a database on American citizens, and no effort would be made to do that, a spokesman for the department, Christopher Kelly, said. But there would be no such restrictions on using foreign news media, Mr. Kelly said.

Mr. Kielman, the project coordinator, said questions on using the software were premature because the department was just now financing the basic research necessary to set up an operating system.

Professors Cardie and Wiebe said they understood that there were legitimate questions about the ultimate use of their software.

"There has to be guidelines and restrictions on the use of this kind of technology by the government," Professor Wiebe said. "But it doesn't mean it is not useful. It can just as easily help the government understand what is going on in places around the world."


I wonder if later we will find that this program is being used inside the US for political purposes and then justified on the ground of "security.?" Or perhaps they will say if the article contains subject matters involving "foreign nations" then it is ok to use this program inside the United States. Or they could even say that the reporter of the article is originally from another country so even if he/she is a US citizen...

But even aside from all that, are we as a nation so insecure as a people that we have seek to squash all forms of criticism from coming into the United States by labeling it as a security issue? I rely on foreign news quite a bit to read news from view points I might not get from US news.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 02:11 pm
Or the article was written by an American journalist for an American paper, but it was reprinted in an international publication. This sounds to me like the input, the "articles", will be on the internet. That makes the most sense for a computerized system and explains why they wouldn't just read the news themselves. I'm betting this system will be looking at not only news articles, but blogs and forums.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 22 Oct, 2006 01:30 am
plainoldme wrote:
okie wrote:


POM now on record also, claiming there isn't much to like about America. Revel claims now he was misunderstood, that he just dislikes the America as represented by Bush. My suspicions keep being confirmed, that liberals really do not like America. I didn't think you would admit it, POM!


You're even more naive than I thought.

Who would be happy in a warmongering nation, headed by an illiterate embarrassment?

Who would be happy when there are people like you running around, denying all the environmental problems we have, limiting the lives of everyone with sense and intelligence?


Would it make you happy if you could send me off to a re-education camp somewhere, plainoldme?

Thank goodness I am happy even though there are nuts like you running around in this country. If your happiness depends on other people, I would suggest you visit a shrink, and soon.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 23 Oct, 2006 02:13 pm
okie wrote:



Would it make you happy if you could send me off to a re-education camp somewhere, plainoldme?

Thank goodness I am happy even though there are nuts like you running around in this country. If your happiness depends on other people, I would suggest you visit a shrink, and soon.



It wouldn't work, because you are happy being stupid and you have no idea how dumb you come off.

Me, nuts? Guess you live in a pretty isolated place.

Who said anything about my happiness depending upon others?

You really can't read.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 06:21 am
Quote:
CIA tried to silence EU on torture flights
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1931693,00.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 06:35 am
Quote:
Rove's not-so-big-tent strategy
In the hopes of shoring up what's left of the base, the Bush administration erected a tent on the White House lawn Tuesday and invited 42 mostly right-wing radio talk-show hosts for chats with Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett and Michael Chertoff.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 08:18 am
[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2326792#2326792]plainoldme[/url] wrote:
Who would be happy when there are people like you running around, denying all the environmental problems we have, limiting the lives of everyone with sense and intelligence?


[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2333183#2333183]Then plainoldme[/url] wrote:
Who said anything about my happiness depending upon others?

You really can't read.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 08:25 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
Rove's not-so-big-tent strategy
In the hopes of shoring up what's left of the base, the Bush administration erected a tent on the White House lawn Tuesday and invited 42 mostly right-wing radio talk-show hosts for chats with Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett and Michael Chertoff.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/


Do you suppose they were "mostly right-wing" because radio talk-show hosts are mostly conservative? And the next question is, do you think the WH issued marching orders to those in attendance, including the few leftist hosts?

And your link doesn't seem to point to the correct story, btw. Maybe the "permalink" feature would work? The Salon.com War Room seems to rotate a new leftist story in every few minutes.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 08:31 am
[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2342069#2342069]Ticomaya[/url] wrote:
[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2326792#2326792]plainoldme[/url] wrote:


We can insert urls into quotes? Cool!
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2006 08:49 am
I'm pleased I could broaden your horizons this morning, Thomas.
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