Information control, or, How to get to Orwellian governance

Nope, I was just lumping you in with okie. I stand corrected and appreciate the clarification.

Here is what I said:

"Well, Bush is looking for a few media people that still like America."

I said that in a flippant manner to get people's attention, but I am serious about this statement to the extent that many Democrats seem to criticize so many things about this country. I wonder if they really like this country. Are they just unhappy people or would they rather live somewhere else?

In the spirit of the title of this thread, I just found this picture interesting.



In this photo released by the White House, President Bush meets with radio talk show hosts in the Oval Office on Sept. 15, 2006, in Washington, including from left, Mike Gallagher, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham., Sean Hannity and Michael Medved. (AP Photo/The White House, Eric Draper) source

Those darn liberal journalist

That picture was posted. Thats what caused me to say:

"Well, Bush is looking for a few media people that still like America."

Anyway, as if Democratic presidents didn't bring in their buddies. Remember the Chinese arms dealer or dealers? He or they visited Clinton how many times was it? For campaign donations I think? Anybody have the old pictures of those occasions?

Blotham, who is apparently still suffering from the after effects of some disease which has weakened the circulation of his blood to his brain, has still not dared to approach the argument below. Like all liberals, he defecates in his trousers when he sees an argument which is too much for him to handle.



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Do you know why, JTT? I'll tell you why. She was waiting to read the files that Sandy Berger had removed from the National Security Cache.

You do know about that, don't you?


Berger Quits as an Adviser to Kerry
Ex-Clinton Aide Facing Inquiry Over Papers
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 21, 2004; Page A01


Clinton administration national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, under criminal investigation for removing copies of highly classified documents from the National Archives, severed his ties to John F. Kerry's campaign yesterday.



Berger, who has been the subject of an investigation since October, stepped down as Kerry's informal adviser on foreign policy and national security as the campaign moved quickly to stem the unfolding story's political damage.

A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government's response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified "codeword," the government's highest level of document security.

A Kerry adviser said the expanding controversy convinced the campaign that Berger's departure was essential because of the serious distraction it posed for Kerry in the week before the Democratic Party nominates him for president.

Even as Berger acknowledged his actions, it remained unclear the degree to which they stemmed from carelessness or an intentional effort to hide and remove the documents, along with notes of the materials he was reviewing.

Berger's attorneys have acknowledged that he removed numerous classified memos, and apparently discarded some, as he reviewed materials on behalf of the Clinton administration for the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They said the removal of documents was inadvertent but that Berger was aware he was violating the law when he removed his handwritten notes without submitting them for review by National Archives staff.

Lanny Breuer, one of Berger's attorneys, said he was uncertain of the classification level of the various documents because he had not seen them but added that he believes that different versions of the critique bore different classification stamps. The documents that were removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals.

Berger reviewed the millennium after-action memos during two visits to the archives last fall, his attorneys have said.

"I made an honest mistake which I deeply regret," Berger told reporters outside his office last night. "I dealt with this issue in October 2003 fully and completely. Everything that I have done all along in this process has been for the purpose of aiding and supporting the work of the 9/11 commission, and any suggestion to the contrary is simply absolutely wrong."

Republicans seized on the controversy. Sens. Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) and Gordon Smith (Ore.) speculated that Berger had provided the material to the Kerry campaign but offered no proof.

"Mr. Berger has a lot of explaining to do. He was given access to these documents to assist the 9/11 commission, not hide information from them," said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). "The American people and the 9/11 families don't want coverups when it comes to the war on terror. They want the truth. And so does the U.S. House of Representatives."

Panel spokesman Alvin Felzenberg said yesterday that the panel is confident, based on records and other evidence, that it has been given copies of all the documents under investigation in Berger's case.

But Democrats said they were suspicious that the timing of the investigation's disclosure was intended to distract from the impact of the commission report, scheduled for release tomorrow.

Absent an exoneration from the FBI, the investigation appears to diminish, and possibly demolish, Berger's chances for a senior post in a Democratic administration should Kerry defeat President Bush, at least at the start of a new administration, according to some Democrats who have handled controversies relating to Cabinet nominations.


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Why do you think he did that, JTT? Could it be that the Bush administration did not have the information they needed to proceed?

Blotham, who is apparently still suffering from the after effects of some disease which has weakened the circulation of his blood to his brain, has still not dared to approach the argument below. Like all liberals, he defecates in his trousers when he sees an argument which is too much for him to handle.



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Do you know why, JTT? I'll tell you why. She was waiting to read the files that Sandy Berger had removed from the National Security Cache.

You do know about that, don't you?


Berger Quits as an Adviser to Kerry
Ex-Clinton Aide Facing Inquiry Over Papers
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 21, 2004; Page A01


Clinton administration national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, under criminal investigation for removing copies of highly classified documents from the National Archives, severed his ties to John F. Kerry's campaign yesterday.



Berger, who has been the subject of an investigation since October, stepped down as Kerry's informal adviser on foreign policy and national security as the campaign moved quickly to stem the unfolding story's political damage.

A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government's response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified "codeword," the government's highest level of document security.

A Kerry adviser said the expanding controversy convinced the campaign that Berger's departure was essential because of the serious distraction it posed for Kerry in the week before the Democratic Party nominates him for president.

Even as Berger acknowledged his actions, it remained unclear the degree to which they stemmed from carelessness or an intentional effort to hide and remove the documents, along with notes of the materials he was reviewing.

Berger's attorneys have acknowledged that he removed numerous classified memos, and apparently discarded some, as he reviewed materials on behalf of the Clinton administration for the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They said the removal of documents was inadvertent but that Berger was aware he was violating the law when he removed his handwritten notes without submitting them for review by National Archives staff.

Lanny Breuer, one of Berger's attorneys, said he was uncertain of the classification level of the various documents because he had not seen them but added that he believes that different versions of the critique bore different classification stamps. The documents that were removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals.

Berger reviewed the millennium after-action memos during two visits to the archives last fall, his attorneys have said.

"I made an honest mistake which I deeply regret," Berger told reporters outside his office last night. "I dealt with this issue in October 2003 fully and completely. Everything that I have done all along in this process has been for the purpose of aiding and supporting the work of the 9/11 commission, and any suggestion to the contrary is simply absolutely wrong."

Republicans seized on the controversy. Sens. Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) and Gordon Smith (Ore.) speculated that Berger had provided the material to the Kerry campaign but offered no proof.

"Mr. Berger has a lot of explaining to do. He was given access to these documents to assist the 9/11 commission, not hide information from them," said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). "The American people and the 9/11 families don't want coverups when it comes to the war on terror. They want the truth. And so does the U.S. House of Representatives."

Panel spokesman Alvin Felzenberg said yesterday that the panel is confident, based on records and other evidence, that it has been given copies of all the documents under investigation in Berger's case.

But Democrats said they were suspicious that the timing of the investigation's disclosure was intended to distract from the impact of the commission report, scheduled for release tomorrow.

Absent an exoneration from the FBI, the investigation appears to diminish, and possibly demolish, Berger's chances for a senior post in a Democratic administration should Kerry defeat President Bush, at least at the start of a new administration, according to some Democrats who have handled controversies relating to Cabinet nominations.


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Why do you think he did that, JTT? Could it be that the Bush administration did not have the information they needed to proceed?

Blotham, who is apparently still suffering from the after effects of some disease which has weakened the circulation of his blood to his brain, has still not dared to approach the argument below. Like all liberals, he defecates in his trousers when he sees an argument which is too much for him to handle.



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Do you know why, JTT? I'll tell you why. She was waiting to read the files that Sandy Berger had removed from the National Security Cache.

You do know about that, don't you?


Berger Quits as an Adviser to Kerry
Ex-Clinton Aide Facing Inquiry Over Papers
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 21, 2004; Page A01


Clinton administration national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, under criminal investigation for removing copies of highly classified documents from the National Archives, severed his ties to John F. Kerry's campaign yesterday.



Berger, who has been the subject of an investigation since October, stepped down as Kerry's informal adviser on foreign policy and national security as the campaign moved quickly to stem the unfolding story's political damage.

A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government's response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified "codeword," the government's highest level of document security.

A Kerry adviser said the expanding controversy convinced the campaign that Berger's departure was essential because of the serious distraction it posed for Kerry in the week before the Democratic Party nominates him for president.

Even as Berger acknowledged his actions, it remained unclear the degree to which they stemmed from carelessness or an intentional effort to hide and remove the documents, along with notes of the materials he was reviewing.

Berger's attorneys have acknowledged that he removed numerous classified memos, and apparently discarded some, as he reviewed materials on behalf of the Clinton administration for the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They said the removal of documents was inadvertent but that Berger was aware he was violating the law when he removed his handwritten notes without submitting them for review by National Archives staff.

Lanny Breuer, one of Berger's attorneys, said he was uncertain of the classification level of the various documents because he had not seen them but added that he believes that different versions of the critique bore different classification stamps. The documents that were removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals.

Berger reviewed the millennium after-action memos during two visits to the archives last fall, his attorneys have said.

"I made an honest mistake which I deeply regret," Berger told reporters outside his office last night. "I dealt with this issue in October 2003 fully and completely. Everything that I have done all along in this process has been for the purpose of aiding and supporting the work of the 9/11 commission, and any suggestion to the contrary is simply absolutely wrong."

Republicans seized on the controversy. Sens. Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) and Gordon Smith (Ore.) speculated that Berger had provided the material to the Kerry campaign but offered no proof.

"Mr. Berger has a lot of explaining to do. He was given access to these documents to assist the 9/11 commission, not hide information from them," said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). "The American people and the 9/11 families don't want coverups when it comes to the war on terror. They want the truth. And so does the U.S. House of Representatives."

Panel spokesman Alvin Felzenberg said yesterday that the panel is confident, based on records and other evidence, that it has been given copies of all the documents under investigation in Berger's case.

But Democrats said they were suspicious that the timing of the investigation's disclosure was intended to distract from the impact of the commission report, scheduled for release tomorrow.

Absent an exoneration from the FBI, the investigation appears to diminish, and possibly demolish, Berger's chances for a senior post in a Democratic administration should Kerry defeat President Bush, at least at the start of a new administration, according to some Democrats who have handled controversies relating to Cabinet nominations.


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Why do you think he did that, JTT? Could it be that the Bush administration did not have the information they needed to proceed?

Blotham, who is apparently still suffering from the after effects of some disease which has weakened the circulation of his blood to his brain, has still not dared to approach the argument below. Like all liberals, he defecates in his trousers when he sees an argument which is too much for him to handle.



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Do you know why, JTT? I'll tell you why. She was waiting to read the files that Sandy Berger had removed from the National Security Cache.

You do know about that, don't you?


Berger Quits as an Adviser to Kerry
Ex-Clinton Aide Facing Inquiry Over Papers
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 21, 2004; Page A01


Clinton administration national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, under criminal investigation for removing copies of highly classified documents from the National Archives, severed his ties to John F. Kerry's campaign yesterday.



Berger, who has been the subject of an investigation since October, stepped down as Kerry's informal adviser on foreign policy and national security as the campaign moved quickly to stem the unfolding story's political damage.

A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government's response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified "codeword," the government's highest level of document security.

A Kerry adviser said the expanding controversy convinced the campaign that Berger's departure was essential because of the serious distraction it posed for Kerry in the week before the Democratic Party nominates him for president.

Even as Berger acknowledged his actions, it remained unclear the degree to which they stemmed from carelessness or an intentional effort to hide and remove the documents, along with notes of the materials he was reviewing.

Berger's attorneys have acknowledged that he removed numerous classified memos, and apparently discarded some, as he reviewed materials on behalf of the Clinton administration for the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They said the removal of documents was inadvertent but that Berger was aware he was violating the law when he removed his handwritten notes without submitting them for review by National Archives staff.

Lanny Breuer, one of Berger's attorneys, said he was uncertain of the classification level of the various documents because he had not seen them but added that he believes that different versions of the critique bore different classification stamps. The documents that were removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals.

Berger reviewed the millennium after-action memos during two visits to the archives last fall, his attorneys have said.

"I made an honest mistake which I deeply regret," Berger told reporters outside his office last night. "I dealt with this issue in October 2003 fully and completely. Everything that I have done all along in this process has been for the purpose of aiding and supporting the work of the 9/11 commission, and any suggestion to the contrary is simply absolutely wrong."

Republicans seized on the controversy. Sens. Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) and Gordon Smith (Ore.) speculated that Berger had provided the material to the Kerry campaign but offered no proof.

"Mr. Berger has a lot of explaining to do. He was given access to these documents to assist the 9/11 commission, not hide information from them," said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). "The American people and the 9/11 families don't want coverups when it comes to the war on terror. They want the truth. And so does the U.S. House of Representatives."

Panel spokesman Alvin Felzenberg said yesterday that the panel is confident, based on records and other evidence, that it has been given copies of all the documents under investigation in Berger's case.

But Democrats said they were suspicious that the timing of the investigation's disclosure was intended to distract from the impact of the commission report, scheduled for release tomorrow.

Absent an exoneration from the FBI, the investigation appears to diminish, and possibly demolish, Berger's chances for a senior post in a Democratic administration should Kerry defeat President Bush, at least at the start of a new administration, according to some Democrats who have handled controversies relating to Cabinet nominations.


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Why do you think he did that, JTT? Could it be that the Bush administration did not have the information they needed to proceed?

Blotham, who is apparently still suffering from the after effects of some disease which has weakened the circulation of his blood to his brain, has still not dared to approach the argument below. Like all liberals, he defecates in his trousers when he sees an argument which is too much for him to handle.



MarionT
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:15 pm Post: 2319505 -

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Do you know why, JTT? I'll tell you why. She was waiting to read the files that Sandy Berger had removed from the National Security Cache.

You do know about that, don't you?


Berger Quits as an Adviser to Kerry
Ex-Clinton Aide Facing Inquiry Over Papers
By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 21, 2004; Page A01


Clinton administration national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, under criminal investigation for removing copies of highly classified documents from the National Archives, severed his ties to John F. Kerry's campaign yesterday.



Berger, who has been the subject of an investigation since October, stepped down as Kerry's informal adviser on foreign policy and national security as the campaign moved quickly to stem the unfolding story's political damage.

A government official with knowledge of the probe said Berger removed from archives files all five or six drafts of a critique of the government's response to the millennium terrorism threat, which he said was classified "codeword," the government's highest level of document security.

A Kerry adviser said the expanding controversy convinced the campaign that Berger's departure was essential because of the serious distraction it posed for Kerry in the week before the Democratic Party nominates him for president.

Even as Berger acknowledged his actions, it remained unclear the degree to which they stemmed from carelessness or an intentional effort to hide and remove the documents, along with notes of the materials he was reviewing.

Berger's attorneys have acknowledged that he removed numerous classified memos, and apparently discarded some, as he reviewed materials on behalf of the Clinton administration for the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. They said the removal of documents was inadvertent but that Berger was aware he was violating the law when he removed his handwritten notes without submitting them for review by National Archives staff.

Lanny Breuer, one of Berger's attorneys, said he was uncertain of the classification level of the various documents because he had not seen them but added that he believes that different versions of the critique bore different classification stamps. The documents that were removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals.

Berger reviewed the millennium after-action memos during two visits to the archives last fall, his attorneys have said.

"I made an honest mistake which I deeply regret," Berger told reporters outside his office last night. "I dealt with this issue in October 2003 fully and completely. Everything that I have done all along in this process has been for the purpose of aiding and supporting the work of the 9/11 commission, and any suggestion to the contrary is simply absolutely wrong."

Republicans seized on the controversy. Sens. Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) and Gordon Smith (Ore.) speculated that Berger had provided the material to the Kerry campaign but offered no proof.

"Mr. Berger has a lot of explaining to do. He was given access to these documents to assist the 9/11 commission, not hide information from them," said House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). "The American people and the 9/11 families don't want coverups when it comes to the war on terror. They want the truth. And so does the U.S. House of Representatives."

Panel spokesman Alvin Felzenberg said yesterday that the panel is confident, based on records and other evidence, that it has been given copies of all the documents under investigation in Berger's case.

But Democrats said they were suspicious that the timing of the investigation's disclosure was intended to distract from the impact of the commission report, scheduled for release tomorrow.

Absent an exoneration from the FBI, the investigation appears to diminish, and possibly demolish, Berger's chances for a senior post in a Democratic administration should Kerry defeat President Bush, at least at the start of a new administration, according to some Democrats who have handled controversies relating to Cabinet nominations.


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Why do you think he did that, JTT? Could it be that the Bush administration did not have the information they needed to proceed?

Possum hold up one finger, ok now count to one, (yes I know you only have one finger on that hand but you have 4 fingers on your other hand which is fairly common with mutants) now when hitting the submit button just use the hand that has one finger on it and keep your other hand in your pocket.

Oh, come on, Dyslexia, You know Blotham has trouble paying attention ever since they took him to the hospital in such desperate shape! Do you want detals? It's recorded a year ago.

Yeah, that was back when you were pretending to be BernardR, possum.

Hey Possum, I see you haven't yet decided whether you want to be MarionT or Renatus5. When do you think you'll make up your mind? Or do you base your decision on which incarnation gets banned first? You're trying hard with both of them, I've noticed...

That'll teach me not to skip to near the last pages, I guess.

So only those who express the views of those guest in the picture still like America?



http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/18/one-big-happy-family/

It is not an America that I still like.

Hey, Old Europe, you seem to be having a hard time deciding whether you want to be a decaying European Socialist or an envious European who can't stand the fact that the USA's GDP is nearly FOUR times larger than Germany's and more than FOUR times larger than France's. If you are very good, we will send you some of our toilets so that you don't have to freeze your as*ess off going out to your outdoor outhouses.

I haven't heard from Blotham lately. Maybe he had a relapse when that airplane crashed into Manhattan. He lives there, you know, and he got far better medical help in NY than he would ever gotten in Canadian Igloo land. And, like most foreign ingrates, he isn't even thankful to our great medical system. At least not that I have read!

Thanks revel for your honesty and for proving my suspicions.

What do you like about it?

For the record, I love the promise of America. I love its principles and I love some of the things it has done. I love our people, for the most part. When we're at our best, we're really a great country. I love our ability to, however belatedly, admit when we're wrong and try to correct it, like abolishing slavery, the civil rights movement, and women's suffrage. American justice is all about righting wrongs, which we can't do if we're not able to look at ourselves critically. Someone might have said that women who wanted to vote didn't like America because America, at that time, wouldn't let them. But in reality, they loved America and wanted it to be better. And they made it better.

Free Duck, you ask the question as if what in the world could you like about it? You go on to explain what you like, mainly you like the ability to correct all the wrongs the country has perpetrated as if it truly was a lousy country but finally it is being straightened out slowly, of course thanks to liberals. Have I got that right?

And to repeat, Revel confirmed my assertion that many libs simply do not like the country. I can't figure it out. Is it self guilt, pity, envy, what is it? Does he like Osama Bin Laden more than George Bush? After all, Osama is a product of oppression, probably no small part being the evil imperialist Americans going to the Middle East to rape the countries there for oil? Am I close to having it figured out, Free Duck? Not an accusation, but just to be clear, I am not sure so I need to ask.

Should I even have to say what I love about this country. I love it because of almost everything about it, the principles it stands for, the opportunities afforded anybody, yes anybody, to be happy if they want to be, and to live and work and do just about anything they wish. Its called the pursuit of happiness. If Revel isn't happy, it isn't this country's fault. And whether or not he or she leaves, there will be plenty more people trying to break down the door to get here. Count on that.

What?!?>!?!

Liberals love the country, and the Constitution, and our rights as people, more than Conservatives, that's for sure. You actively support those who wish to strip more and more rights away from people; how do you equate that to love of country?

One of the main tenets of this country is dissent and freedom to dissent; yet those on the right call me a traitor and say that I don't love my country, because I strongly disagree with the fashion in which it is being ran, the debts we are mounting, the people we are killing. Are people not allowed to disagree, and still love the country?

I don't follow you at all here okie

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