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Information control, or, How to get to Orwellian governance

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 3 Sep, 2006 06:12 am
The phenomenon this piece speaks to does not concern any motive to manipulate the press covertly (or overtly) in order to manufacture a political consensus or to falsify events for political advantage. But it does indicate a serious problem with modern American news media which facilitates manipulation.
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Accusations fly after US rushes to judgment

The JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect was just the latest victim of an increasingly sensationalist American media, writes Paul Harris in New York

Sunday September 3, 2006
The Observer


It seemed a perfect story. A 10-year-old murder case, a child victim, a dramatic confession in a faraway land and a supposed villain who looked every inch the creepy paedophile. No wonder the faces of John Mark Karr and JonBenet Ramsey were soon staring out of newspapers, magazines and TV screens across the country. The bloodshed in Iraq and the Middle East was bumped off the agenda as the US media produced saturation coverage of Karr's confession to killing JonBenet, solving one of America's most notorious crimes. But there was problem: it was not true.
Karr's exposure as a sick fantasist has prompted a bout of self-recrimination and criticism of American journalism at a time when the profession's stock is already at a pitiful low. For the Karr disaster is far from an isolated case. The New York Times is also coming under increasing fire for its coverage of an alleged rape involving students at the prestigious Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. 'The Karr and the Duke cases show a rush to judgment that has proven potentially disastrous,' says Mark Feldstein, a former CNN journalist and now director of journalism at George Washington University in Washington DC.

These stories also come after last year's obsessive coverage of teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the Caribbean island of Aruba. Several suspects and an island's way of life were raked over the media coals, but the police have yet to charge anyone with murder.

It has all focused attention on exactly what press freedom means in America. On the one hand it can mean the right to go after the powerful and prevent the government from keeping information secret. On the other, modern media culture seems more likely to use its freedom to metaphorically lynch anyone accused of a crime. At the centre of the problem is the changing face of television news, and the growth of cable TV channels with 24 hours of screen time to fill. The result is a tendency to leap on simple, graphic stories and milk them. That in turn forces a story into newspapers and weekly magazines. 'It is amazing, but stories like JonBenet would not have been national issues before cable news. Now they get saturation coverage,' says Feldstein.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,1863610,00.html
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:16 am
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Yes, GeorgeOb1, and I am certain you are familiar with the horrendous statistics issuing out of that Socialistic "nightmare" which is France. A 10% Unemployment Rate capped by a ridiculously high 48% top rate for taxation.

Marxism is dead and Socialism is dying!!!!
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:36 am
BernardR wrote:
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Yes, GeorgeOb1, and I am certain you are familiar with the horrendous statistics issuing out of that Socialistic "nightmare" which is France. A 10% Unemployment Rate capped by a ridiculously high 48% top rate for taxation.

Marxism is dead and Socialism is dying!!!!


Let's correct the figures:

Unemployment rate, in France, for July is 8,9%.

As the taxation depends on the income, in certain circumstances it can be 100%...

But the average is about 27%.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:57 am
Control of information through removing whistleblower protections for EPA employees. Not unusual to see this Bush administration say again, in effect, "Phuck you, citizens. Corporate profit is more important than your health, more important than the truth."

Quote:
Bush Declares Eco-Whistleblower Law Void for EPA Employees
Stealth Repeal of Clean Water Act Protections by Invoking "Sovereign Immunity"
By: Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility
Published: Sep 4, 2006 at 08:40

The Bush administration has declared itself immune from whistleblower protections for federal workers under the Clean Water Act, according to legal documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). As a result of an opinion issued by a unit within the Office of the Attorney General, federal workers will have little protection from official retaliation for reporting water pollution enforcement breakdowns, manipulations of science or cleanup failures.

Citing an "unpublished opinion of the [Attorney General's] Office of Legal Counsel," the Secretary of Labor's Administrative Review Board has ruled federal employees may no longer pursue whistleblower claims under the Clean Water Act. The opinion invoked the ancient doctrine of sovereign immunity which is based on the old English legal maxim that "The King Can Do No Wrong." It is an absolute defense to any legal action unless the "sovereign" consents to be sued.

The opinion and the ruling reverse nearly two decades of precedent. Approximately 170,000 federal employees working within environmental agencies are affected by the loss of whistleblower rights.

"The Bush administration is engineering the stealth repeal of whistleblower protections," stated PEER General Counsel Richard Condit, who had won several of the earlier cases applying environmental whistleblower protections to federal specialists. "The use of an unpublished opinion to change official interpretations is a giant step backward to the days of the secret Star Chamber." PEER ultimately obtained a copy of the opinion under the Freedom of Information Act.

At the same time, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is taking a more extreme position that absolutely no environmental laws protect its employees from reprisal. EPA's stance would place the provisions of all major federal environmental laws, such as the Clean Air Act and the Safe Drinking Water Act, beyond the reach of federal employees seeking legal protection for good faith efforts to enforce or implement the anti-pollution provisions contained within those laws.
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_41616.shtml
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 04:34 am
The Whistle Blower Protection Act applies whether or not the whistleblower protects the environment for a living. So on the face of it, I don't see what added protections the Clean Water Act and other environmental laws would provide. Can anyone give an example of whistleblowing that's protected under environmental law, but not under the Whistleblower Protection Act?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:46 pm
okie wrote:
Congratulations on your accomplishments. I would have thought running a business would have turned you into a conservative, blatham. What went wrong?

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Conservatism is death. period. All the hippies I knew that elected not to teach, either went into law or ran their own businesses.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:49 pm
okie wrote:


To clarify, being intellectual doesn't make you wrong, but I don't think it makes one automatically right either. Academia may educate you, supposedly, however you may also be insulated from reality in terms of how things actually work out here,



For all your squawking, you demonstrate little or no acquaintance with the real world. Sophistication has two meanings: worldliness (education is a short cut to that) and common sense. Much of what passes for sophistication is common sense. Based on your contributions here, I see nothing of that in you.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:50 pm
BernardR wrote:


Where does the cow get the idea that Conservatism is Calvinism????



If you are as smart as you like to think you are, you should know enough to answer this question. Of course, you have presented it in a twisted way, again revealing that your ability to read is below grade level.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:52 pm
BernardR wrote:
One of the reasons, Francis, is that a LIBERAL, the opposite of a Consrvative, would call for more government services, driving up taxes.

Quote:


War is a government service, n'est-ce pas?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 12:55 pm
okie wrote:

People that run businesses learn first hand personal responsibility, the realities of the free market and competition, plus they usually are enlightened as to the punitive effects of too much government in the way of taxes and regulation. They usually also learn how useless and non-productive government is in comparison to the goods and services produced by businesses. There are many reasons, but these would provide a start.

I do not have any statistics, but it is my belief that business owners tend to be more conservative than the general population


IT IS YOUR BELIEF, YOU UNSOPHISTICATED, UNABLE TO REASON LITTLE TOAD.

CONSERVATISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT LIBERALISM HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

DO CONSERVATIVES WORK TO CLEAN THE ENVIRONMENT?

DO CONSERVATIVES WORK TO MAKE ALL MEN EQUAL?

DO CONSERVATIVES SEEK LAWS TO PROTECT PEOPLE?

YOU DO NOT LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 01:08 pm
Looks like plainoldme caught a case of verbal diarhea.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 02:04 pm
In POM's world there are birds and bees and cigarette trees, lemonade springs where the bluebird sings, the farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay, and every good and noble thing ever done was done by a leftist.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 03:25 pm
Thomas wrote:
The Whistle Blower Protection Act applies whether or not the whistleblower protects the environment for a living. So on the face of it, I don't see what added protections the Clean Water Act and other environmental laws would provide. Can anyone give an example of whistleblowing that's protected under environmental law, but not under the Whistleblower Protection Act?


thomas

I can't answer your question. Simply don't know enough.

Per one claim in the links at the site where that piece is from, it is claimed that such a legal position will allow a number of existing suits to be simply cancelled.

Would you have or see some other rationale for the AG's activity here other than eating away at whistleblower protections?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 04:25 pm
plainoldme wrote:
okie wrote:

People that run businesses learn first hand personal responsibility, the realities of the free market and competition, plus they usually are enlightened as to the punitive effects of too much government in the way of taxes and regulation. They usually also learn how useless and non-productive government is in comparison to the goods and services produced by businesses. There are many reasons, but these would provide a start.

I do not have any statistics, but it is my belief that business owners tend to be more conservative than the general population


IT IS YOUR BELIEF, YOU UNSOPHISTICATED, UNABLE TO REASON LITTLE TOAD.

CONSERVATISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT LIBERALISM HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Then why is it that liberals seem to want to increase the number of people on welfare?
Why do they oppose any attempt to limit welfare and force people to take responsibility for themselves?


DO CONSERVATIVES WORK TO CLEAN THE ENVIRONMENT?

Everybody works to clean the environment,unless you are one of those fruitcakes that believes conservatives have a hidden,unlimited supply of clean water and air hidden somewhere.

What most conservatives oppose are laws that restrict how an individual or corporation uses private property,or laws that will force a company out of business.
Conservatives believe that a balance can be reached,liberals dont.


DO CONSERVATIVES WORK TO MAKE ALL MEN EQUAL?

Yes,by removing any and all racial quota systems,such as affirmative action.
Conservatives want everyone to be judged strictly on their merits and abilities,not their skin color,sex,or any other reason.


DO CONSERVATIVES SEEK LAWS TO PROTECT PEOPLE?

Yes,by wanting all people to be judged on their merit,that eliminates the need for quota's.
That then eliminates the festering anger and violence caused by people believing they were barred from a job or contract because of quota's.
Conservatives want to protect people by putting criminals in jail,not letting them loose on "work programs,furloughs,or by trying to understand criminal behavior"


YOU DO NOT LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD.


And apparently,neither do you.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:13 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
In POM's world there are birds and bees and cigarette trees, lemonade springs where the bluebird sings, the farmer's trees are full of fruit and the barns are full of hay, and every good and noble thing ever done was done by a leftist.


"A conservativative Government is an organized HYPOCRACY"-- Benjamin Disraeli
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:24 pm
mysteryman wrote:
BUT LIBERALISM HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

Then why is it that liberals seem to want to increase the number of people on welfare?
Why do they oppose any attempt to limit welfare and force people to take responsibility for themselves?





Who says they do? This exists in your imagination. Why do you believe stereotypes? Are you naive?

How many people do you know -- well educated people -- who can not find work? Who have looked for years and years and years for self-supporting work.

Limiting welfare may or may not answer anything. There are certain disabilities -- blindness in one eye; degenerative muscle diseases -- that can and do keep able-minded people permanently unemployed.

What about companies that limit or refuse to consider shared- and/or flex- time positions, leaving single parents to part-time work?

What about all the jobs that pay less than welfare? Or the jobs that do not come with benefits?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:32 pm
mysteryman wrote:


DO CONSERVATIVES WORK TO CLEAN THE ENVIRONMENT?

Everybody works to clean the environment,unless you are one of those fruitcakes that believes conservatives have a hidden,unlimited supply of clean water and air hidden somewhere.

What most conservatives oppose are laws that restrict how an individual or corporation uses private property,or laws that will force a company out of business.


Not everybody. Look at the backyards in your neighborhood and count clothes lines. Look at how many people simply throw everything in the trash. Look how many people refuse to walk anywhere.

We all live downstream from conservatives. If those wonderful conservatives thought that way, there wouldn't be any need for laws that restrict how someone uses his property -- what a silly, tired argument.

BTW, when two rights are in conflict, one is not a right. So, what about corporation X's right to spew mercury into the air and a pregnant woman's right to eat mercury-free fish? What about those smoke stack contaminants and the kids of NYC's right to have healthy lungs, free from asthma. Oh, I know! You don't believe mercury is in the fish or that pollution causes asthma, which gives you the right to kill.

Just wish you understood logic.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:35 pm
mysteryman wrote:



DO CONSERVATIVES WORK TO MAKE ALL MEN EQUAL?

Yes,by removing any and all racial quota systems,such as affirmative action.
Conservatives want everyone to be judged strictly on their merits and abilities,not their skin color,sex,or any other reason.


Sure,let's return to if-you're-black-stay-back. Having dark skin is a demerit. Always was. Let's take a look at Calvinism. In the 19th C., Blacks were slaves because they weren't worthy not to be slaves.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 05:40 pm
mysteryman wrote:


DO CONSERVATIVES SEEK LAWS TO PROTECT PEOPLE?

Yes,by wanting all people to be judged on their merit,that eliminates the need for quota's.
That then eliminates the festering anger and violence caused by people believing they were barred from a job or contract because of quota's.
Conservatives want to protect people by putting criminals in jail,not letting them loose on "work programs,furloughs,or by trying to understand criminal behavior"


YOU DO NOT LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD.


And apparently,neither do you.[/quote]

Remember all those people I talked about above, the ones who have looked for work for years and years? They're women with several degrees -- from some of the nation's leading universities. They've raised children who have gone on to do amazing things, from teach at universities and perform at Symphony Hall. Those talented mothers can not find work, despite membership in Phi BEta Kappa. Why? Because they didn't play the corporate game, and work for the big bucks in their 30s, but stayed home and raised kids, participated in their events and baked bread.

As for your last comment, it's fifth grade. Your reasoning, however, is third grade.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 6 Sep, 2006 06:16 pm
POM-

Any employer will take on somebody he can make a profit out of. If somebody isn't being taken on it can only be that the legion of employers are united in thinking that they can't be used for that purpose.
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