Information control, or, How to get to Orwellian governance

Do you have a link for that? Advocate, I just don't believe that all of the governors are resisting Bush's efforts to take TOTAL control of the guard.

Again, I think you are ignorant of the facts. May we please have some evidence that you are speaking the truth?

An honor.

Here's an odd corner of things. Last week, we were out for dinner with a Republican friend who is also a friend of Barbara Bush. Three nights past, we spent the evening with another friend who, just two weeks previous, had sat for dinner with Cindy Sheehan.

Bernard, it is really obnoxious how you misquote people. I never referred to "all governors." See:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060806/POLITICS/608060312

With a little more experience, you will learn that misquoting is his modus operandi--in fact, he often attributes quotes from one member to another member entirely, and then attacks them for it. There was a notorious example of his doing that a few pages back.

So who made the most sense and were more reasonable? Blatham, you are dangerously close to the light here if you are willing to see the light? Keep it up and maybe you can dine with Barbara Bush one night and Hugo Chavez the next?

I thought Momma Sheehan was fasting.

You wouldn't like that first lady. She speaks five languages, including Ancient Greek, quotes Virgil from memory (and in the classical Italian which sounds quite like a musical instrument), loves guns, has always voted Republican (a family tradition), has never touched drugs but doesn't mind when I light a pipe, has an extraordinary grasp of European and world history, holds a deep affinity for Arab culture and achievements, despises Henry Kissinger, has nothing bad to say about JK Galbraith (who she knew) though disagreeing with his economic ideas, loves dogs, is probably an atheist, would throw the neoconservative fellows in the administration off a cliff given the chance, doesn't like 'big government' and does like Grover Norquist while knowing I'd push him off a cliff given the chance and she'd alter the flow of aid to Israel from the present billions to zero. She doesn't mess about or mince her words. She's absolutely precise with her terms and sentences and does not suffer fools. And you wouldn't like her because after listening to you for three minutes she'd likely tell you to shut up and get some education. Sorry, but that's what would happen. Ideologues aren't her cup of tea.

The second lady you wouldn't like either, unless you were quite ill and your survival or comfort depended upon no-nonsense emergency room nurses. She's jovial, despises this administration and all its key figures with a air-searing passion, loves animals, has a son in the Navy, doesn't touch drugs but doesn't mind if I light a pipe, pickets now and again outside Bush's 'ranch' in Crawford, doesn't like rock and roll, is Jewish and sympathetic to both Israel and its Muslim neighbors and would maintain aid dollars to Israel. You wouldn't like her because she wouldn't fit into your worldview and because, after listening to you for three minutes, she'd mush you with a cream pie. Again, sorry, but that's what would happen.

Okay, Blatham, who are those first ladies?

Blatham, how come you think I wouldn't like those ladies? I've never had a neighbor I couldn't get along with, or an employer I could not work for. I like people in general, I just don't agree with some politically, but that doesn't make them bad people. They are maybe misinformed or have different views for various and sundry reasons.

Blatham, you have just illustrated that Republicans cannot be characterized by a cookie cutter description. Nor can Democrats either, but I still believe Republicans are more independent minded.

P.S. What on earth does the first lady think that Arabs have achieved?

blatham -- Does your friend use Helen of Troy as her nom d'email?

I find the fact that blatham paints conservatives with such a broad brush to be hilariously ironic.

John Stuart Mill

Truly, that's why I enjoy the man's work, irony

Winston Churchill









(You needn't quibble with me about the attribution ... it really doesn't matter.)

Ah, so typical. Poke a Conservative and he automatically reaches for the rhetoric from a racist. Must be some sort of kindred spirit thing.


Winston Churchill

Thus justifying one of the most brutal genocides and mass displacement of people in history. He also had hatred for Indians.


Winston Churchill

By "beastly religion" he was of course talking about Hinduism.


Winston Churchill
Eric Williams, "British historians and the West Indies," p. 150-1

Ops, he got that one wrong didn't he?

Winston Churchill was an unadulterated card carrying racist and alcoholic. In spite of some of his famous and stirring speeches made, he spent most of his life and efforts promoting and practicing racism.

"That naked fakir" is his description of Mahatma Gandhi.

Unlike others around here, I would take his gems of wisdom with a palmful of salt.

Ticomaya- Winston Churchill was one of the great leaders of the Twentieth Century---

"Be Ye Men of Valour"

"Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar." This call and spur to the faithful servants of Truth and Justice was quoted by Churchill in his first broadcast as Prime Minister to the British people on the BBC - May 19, 1940, London.


"Blood, Toil, Tears & Sweat"

"I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this government: I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat." --Speech made to House of Commons on May 13, 1940, three days after becoming Prime Minister. Churchill first used it earlier in the day when he spoke to his Cabinet which represented all parties.


"Captain of our Souls"

Today we may say aloud before an awe-struck world: "We are still masters of our fate. We are still captain of our souls." Prime Minister's Speech on the War Situation, House of Commons, September 9, 1941


"Child of the House of Commons"

I am a child of the House of Commons. I was brought up in my father's house to believe in democracy. Trust the people - that was his message....I cannot help reflecting that if my father had been American and my mother British, instead of the other way around, I might have got here on my own....I owe my advancement entirely to the House of Commons, whose servant I am. In my country, as in yours, public men are proud to be the servants of the State and would be ashamed to be its masters. - -Speech made to a Joint Session of the American Congress, December 26, 1941. Churchill went to America after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. He predicted a "long and hard war." His speech was broadcast throughout the US, Canada and Britain.


"A Dark and Deadly Valley"

"Indeed I do not think we should be justified in using any but the more sombre tones and colours while our people, our Empire, and indeed the whole English-speaking world are passing through a dark and deadly valley." Speech given in the House of Commons, January 22, 1941

"Finest Hour"

"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, This was their finest hour." -- Speech delivered to the House of Commons on June 18, 1940 following the collapse of France. Many thought Britain would follow. But knowing that "Hitler will have to break us in this island or lose the war" Churchill challenged the British people to uncommon efforts to win the Battle of Britain.

"I'd drink it [poison]"

Lady Astor: "Winston, if I were your wife I'd put poison in your coffee."
Winston: "Nancy, if I were your husband I'd drink it."
This exchange is sometimes attributed to Winston's good friend F.E. Smith, but in Consuelo Vanderbilt Balsan's The Glitter and the Gold she writes that the exchange occurred at Blenheim when her son was host. See also the American edition of Martin Gilbert's In Search of Churchill (not in the British edition). In Nancy: The Life of Lady Astor, Christopher Sykes confirms Consuelo Balsan's account. "It sounds like an invention but is well authenticated. [Churchill] and the Astors were staying with Churchill's cousin, the Duke of Marlborough, at Blenheim Palace. Nancy and Churchill argued ferociously throughout the weekend."


"I leave when the pub closes."

At the end of the war, before the election that he lost in 1945, The Times of London prepared an editorial suggesting that he campaign as a nonpartisan world leader and retire gracefully rather soon afterward. The editor first informed Churchill that he was going to make these two points. "Mr. Editor," Churchill said to the first point, "I fight for my corner." And, to the second: "Mr. Editor, I leave when the pub closes."


"Linchpin of the English-speaking world"

"Canada is the linchpin of the English-speaking world. Canada, with those relations of friendly, affectionate intimacy with the United States on the one hand and with her unswerving fidelity to the British Commonwealth and the Motherland on the other, is the link which joins together these great branches of the human family, a link which, spanning the oceans, brings the continents into their true relation and will prevent in future generations any growth of division between the proud and the happy nations of Europe and the great countries which have come into existence in the New World." Speech given at a luncheon in honour of Mackenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada, Mansion House, London, September 4, 1941.


"Lousy' as a Parliamentary Expression"

The new Minister of Fuel and Power, Hugh Gaitskell, later Attlee's successor as leader of the Labour Party, had advocated saving energy by taking fewer baths: "Personally, I have never had a great many baths myself, and I can assure those who are in the habit of having a great many that it does not make a great difference to their health if they have less." Churchill, a renowned bather, responded: "When Ministers of the Crown speak like this on behalf of HM Government, the Prime Minister and his friends have no need to wonder why they are getting increasingly into bad odour. I have even asked myself, when meditating upon these points, whether you, Mr. Speaker, would admit the word 'lousy' as a Parliamentary expression in referring to the Administration, provided, of course, it was not intended in a contemptuous sense but purely as one of factual narration."


"Never Give In"

The speech was made 29 October 1941 to the boys at Churchill's old public [private] school, Harrow--not Oxford or Cambridge:"Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.''


"Some chicken! Some neck!"


"When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck!" -- Speech made to the Canadian Parliament on December 30, 1941. Following this speech the famous Karsh photograph was taken.


"So much owed by so many to so few"

"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."-- Speech made in the House of Commons as the Battle Britain peaked on August 20, 1940. The home front was totally involved in the war because of the Germany bombing raids and Britain was "a whole nation fighting and suffering together." But special gratitude was directed towards the airmen whose prowess and devotion were capable of turning the tide of the war. Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few. He worked out the phrase in his mind as he visited the Fighter Command airfields in Southern England.


"Sugar Candy"

"We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of sugar candy."-- -Speech made to the Canadian Parliament, December 30, 1941.


"This is not the end."

"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Speech given at the Lord Mayor's Luncheon, Mansion House, London, November 10, 1942.


"Total and unmitigated defeat"

"We have sustained a total and unmitigated defeat, and France has suffered even more than we have." - Speech made during debate on Munich Agreement in House of Commons, October 5, 1938. Nancy Astor heckled him by calling out "Nonsense."


"Up with which I will not put"

After receiving a Minute issued by a priggish civil servant, objecting to the ending of a sentence with a preposition and the use of a dangling participle in official documents, Churchill red pencilled in the margin: "This is the sort of pedantry up with which I will not put."


"War of Unknown Warriors"

"This is a war of the unknown warriors; but let all strive without failing in faith or in duty, and the dark curse of Hitler will be lifted from our age." Broadcast on the BBC, July 14, 1940.


"We shall fight on the beaches"

"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" Speech about Dunkirk given in House of Commons June 4, 1940.



"We Shape Our Buildings"


"On the night of May 10, 1941, with one of the last bombs of the last serious raid, our House of Commons was destroyed by the violence of the enemy, and we have now to consider whether we should build it up again,and how, and when. We shape our buildings, and afterwards our buildings shape us. Having dwelt and served for more than forty years in the late Chamber, and having derived very great pleasure and advantage therefrom, I, naturally, should like to see it restored in all essentials to its old form, convenience and dignity."

-WSC, 28 October 1943 to the House of Commons (meeting in the House of Lords

How come one of the most notable flocks of unhappy, egotistical, vain, empty headed, self absorbed, and uneducated people, namely the Hollywood left, is predominantly liberal? Explain it to us, kuvasz.

Most of those in the film world are highly intelligent and talented.

BTW, those in academia and the fourth estate are overwhelmingly liberal. I guess that is because they are knowledgeable and intelligent.

As usual, Advocate blabs without giving evidence. It is becoming very clear that he is highly ignorant about the USA. Here is a link that helps to focus on the truth. Advocate is so ignorant of facts he cannot link!

Who's Smarter? Bush & War Cabinet or Hollywood Stars?
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Who's Smarter?

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:


President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.

Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.


Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army)


Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.





National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:


Barbra Streisand: Completed high school Career: Singing and acting


Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting


Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting


Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting


Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal.

Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting


Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director


Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting


Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne.


Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

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Hollywood_? A bunch of Morons!!!!

Ah, I see. That's where this post was supposed to go. Damn. All that copy-pasting must be a hard job. Getting a bit tired, I presume?

No- Old Europe- I never get tired--Ask Mr. McTag!!!