Parados, you still avoid my question
Chumly wrote:Would you tell your parents you were bisexual, if you knew, with certainty, you would be expelled from the entire familial unit plus the culture you knew and loved?
and respond with the logical fallacy "avoiding the question". This fallacy is committed when someone's answer doesn't really respond to the question asked:
Question: Would the Oakland Athletics be in first place if they were to win tomorrow's game?
Answer: What makes you think they'll ever win tomorrow's game?
Another logical fallacy example of "avoiding the question" that fits your responses to me is called placing blame elsewhere: avoiding the question by attacking something else: You criticize Chinese human rights violations, but what about the homeless in American slums?
parados wrote:Your question was a logical fallacy.
I would be very interested in exactly which logical fallacy you assert I have supplied as per my above question.
parados wrote:It assumes that there is only one choice.
There is nothing sophistic about my focusing the question on a probable specific to make a point, nor is that a logical fallacy.
parados wrote:And is based on facts not in evidence.
You came to the belief that I was "assuming facts" by a method that remains oblique, as it stands it's specious reasoning. I did not "assume facts" nor was it a specifically factual question, nor did I indicate it as such, nor is that a logical fallacy.
parados wrote:If a culture is "known and loved" why would one act outside that culture?
There are a vast number of reasons why one might "act outside that culture", sexuality is one, personal choice is another, expedience is another.
parados wrote:Acting contrary to it would seem to dispute the "known and loved" claim.
Absolutely not, there are a vast number of things that are known and loved and yet are gone against, many children rebel against their parents, many people hurt the ones they love; lots of common examples.
parados wrote:My "cliched value judgement" as you quoted is just a restating of what Nick has said here.
No Parados, you said it in your own post. You did not refer to it as "restating of what Nick has said". No it cannot be taken as coming from Nick29, but only viewed as coming from you.
parados wrote:A prediction is not really a value judgement.
OK then, I predict that the Middle East will erupt into war because of religious corruption. This prediction is in fact a value judgement! So yes, of course predictions can be value judgements, and yes your so-called "prediction" was a value judgment.
Here is your so-called "prediction" that you claim is "restating of what Nick has said".
parados wrote:The culture Nick seems to know and love is going out clubbing and picking up guys that think he is cute.
I point out that your claim that you are "restating of what Nick has said" is entirely false. Also I point out that your claim that you intended this to be a "prediction" is preposterous. It is a declaratory statement, not a predictive one. It's clearly is a cliche value judgement, anyone can see that. You clearly attempt to accredit Nick29's culture to be one of "clubbing and picking up guys that think he is cute".
Parados,
In sum, your non sequiturs & misrepresentations are quite unbecoming.
Should you now attempt to make the claim that I called you unbecoming, you will have learned nothing. I made no such claim, nor did I pass value judgment on your person.