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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 24 May, 2006 11:51 pm
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 06:53 am
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 07:15 am
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Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


Ok then, what is 'it'?
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 07:20 am
It's a brilliant plan for ultimate victory, as strategized by our illustrious CIC, ain't you heard?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 07:31 am
snood wrote:
It's a brilliant plan for ultimate victory, as strategized by our illustrious CIC, ain't you heard?

I think that would fall under the heading of 'vague propaganda'.
Got any answers?
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 07:37 am
It looks like victory is no longer the goal of this administration. The new word is containment.

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revel
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 08:45 am
McGentrix wrote:
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


This subject came up in the context of the leadership of Iraq saying that in 18 months they should be able to take over security of all Iraq. I raised a question as to what would happen if the Iraqis asked us to leave (completely) and we refused to leave. In that sense if we didn't leave after the leadership of Iraq asked us to leave, we would indeed be occupiers of Iraq.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 08:52 am
xingu wrote:
It looks like victory is no longer the goal of this administration. The new word is containment.

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I don't think "containment" would have the same impact as Bush standing behind logos of "Plan for Victory."
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 09:34 am
revel wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


This subject came up in the context of the leadership of Iraq saying that in 18 months they should be able to take over security of all Iraq. I raised a question as to what would happen if the Iraqis asked us to leave (completely) and we refused to leave. In that sense if we didn't leave after the leadership of Iraq asked us to leave, we would indeed be occupiers of Iraq.


And if invaders from mars came and obliterated all of our defenses, they too would be occupiers. Hypotheticals serve no purpose.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 10:00 am
McGentrix wrote:
revel wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


This subject came up in the context of the leadership of Iraq saying that in 18 months they should be able to take over security of all Iraq. I raised a question as to what would happen if the Iraqis asked us to leave (completely) and we refused to leave. In that sense if we didn't leave after the leadership of Iraq asked us to leave, we would indeed be occupiers of Iraq.


And if invaders from mars came and obliterated all of our defenses, they too would be occupiers. Hypotheticals serve no purpose.


I thought we invaded on a hypothetical - we had to stop Saddaam IF he had WMDs he could hurt us with.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 10:10 am
McGentrix wrote:
revel wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


This subject came up in the context of the leadership of Iraq saying that in 18 months they should be able to take over security of all Iraq. I raised a question as to what would happen if the Iraqis asked us to leave (completely) and we refused to leave. In that sense if we didn't leave after the leadership of Iraq asked us to leave, we would indeed be occupiers of Iraq.


And if invaders from mars came and obliterated all of our defenses, they too would be occupiers. Hypotheticals serve no purpose.


It's not really as far fetched as Mars invading the earth for the Iraqi leadership to ask us to leave. Maliki did say that in 18 months they would be able to take over all security of Iraq. (Smart aleck answers don't substitute substance)
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 10:21 am
revel wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


This subject came up in the context of the leadership of Iraq saying that in 18 months they should be able to take over security of all Iraq. I raised a question as to what would happen if the Iraqis asked us to leave (completely) and we refused to leave. In that sense if we didn't leave after the leadership of Iraq asked us to leave, we would indeed be occupiers of Iraq.


Well I suppose it's not a complete occupation- there weren't enough troops for that, due to lack of a plan.
We only occupied the Oil Ministry building, the Green Zone, the Airport and a few fortified camps (at least one built on a priceless site of 4000-year-old antiquity)
Let's for the sake of argument call it a half-cocked occupation.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 10:26 am
It'll be a half-cocked occupation, but we'll be the money influence for the new Iraqi government. If they don't listen to our "suggestions," the money will slow down or disappear.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 10:56 am
revel wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
revel wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
If a new president doesn't listen to the majority of the public's wishes on pulling out from Iraq, and the new president ignores it, I doubt the president will last very long as an effective one.

If they wish to match GW Bush's performance rating, they are free to make any choice. We'll have to wait and see.


Fortunately, the public doesn't get to make decisions of national security.


The occupation of Iraq is a question of national security? Who knew?


Only ignorant dolts refer to it as an "occupation".


This subject came up in the context of the leadership of Iraq saying that in 18 months they should be able to take over security of all Iraq. I raised a question as to what would happen if the Iraqis asked us to leave (completely) and we refused to leave. In that sense if we didn't leave after the leadership of Iraq asked us to leave, we would indeed be occupiers of Iraq.


And if invaders from mars came and obliterated all of our defenses, they too would be occupiers. Hypotheticals serve no purpose.


It's not really as far fetched as Mars invading the earth for the Iraqi leadership to ask us to leave. Maliki did say that in 18 months they would be able to take over all security of Iraq. (Smart aleck answers don't substitute substance)


When they ask us to leave, they will have been able to secure their country and will no longer need the massive military support we have there. I doubt the Iraqi government will ever ask for the total withdrawl of every American in Iraq though. That seems to be a catching point with you guys.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 11:10 am
No, McG, the "real" catching point is that Bush got us involved in a illegal, unnecessary war without no end in sight. Comprende?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 11:22 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
No, McG, the "real" catching point is that Bush got us involved in a illegal, unnecessary war without no end in sight. Comprende?


Yes, C.I. and I have to endure all your bitching and moaning about it. Complaints are not solutions, nor are they constructive. All they do is make people aware of your displeasure and I can tell that you are displeased.

At the same though, I really don't give a **** that you are displeased.

Comprende?
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 01:26 pm
Marines kill civilians in cold blood, bring shame.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5017778.stm

More crimes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 01:36 pm
McG, When evidence is as obvious as it is in Iraq, the best option is to remove ourselves from the occupation. If Iraq "increases" their civil war, that's an internal problem.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 02:48 pm
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Complaints are not solutions, nor are they constructive.


As I read somewhere the other day,

'People want to know what we propose to do instead, but man, it's hard to unshit the bed.'

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 25 May, 2006 03:08 pm
Those willing to "stay the course" in Iraq can volunteer their own family and friends to fight the fight, and cover the cost of this illegal war.

Since when did "stay the course" provide any solution? That's the rhetoric coming out of Bush's mouth since day one.

I don't want my family or friends fighting in this war that has no goal or solution.

Bitch? You betcha; I'll continue to bitch as long as Bush screws up everyting he manages to touch. Most Americans now realize Bush is an incompetent.
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