THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

Displaced Iraqis double despite US military surge

The number of Iraqis who have fled their homes but remained in the country has more than doubled to 1.14 million, despite the "surge" in numbers of US troops in recent months, according to a leading humanitarian organisation.
Statistics collected by the Iraqi Red Crescent Society showed 447,000 internally displaced Iraqis on January 1, soaring to the current figure on July 1 after the deployment of 30,000 extra American personnel starting in February.

The new data, released at the weekend, show that sectarian conflict remains undiminished - despite Washington's claims of an improvement in the security situation in the Baghdad area - and that different communities are now gravitating apart, creating a de facto partition as Shia Muslims move south and Sunnis to the centre and west of the country. The UNHCR said recently that on average 50,000 Iraqis were now fleeing their homes every month. The trend was confirmed last month by the UN's Geneva-based International Organisation for Migration (IOM), which found that internal displacements had escalated since the al-Qaida bombing of the Shia al-Askari shrine in Samarra in February 2006.

In addition to those who have abandoned their homes but stayed in Iraq, some 2 million Iraqis have now fled the country since the 2003 US invasion, with most now living in neighbouring Syria and Jordan.

re. ICAN'S report on iraqi deaths .
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since the body count is a very exact one (example : 1993 - 53,951 , not approximately 53,900 or 53,950 ) someone must have had a very fine toothcomb to come up with those numbers .
since no source is specified , we are being asked to accept those numbers at face value .

the wall street journal published rather different numbers in october 2006 .
they are certainly NOT as precise and perhaps even have a slightly different base , but at least the source is given .

a/t their report appr. 600,000 iraqis died from march 2003 to 2006 from violent causes .
they further state that a/t human rights watch appr. 250,000 to 290,000 iraqis died during the 20 year rule under SH.

as i said , the WSJ count is not as exact , so perhaps whoever has the background information for ican's numbers has a complete list of the people that died from which the numbers were compiled .
i am wondering if the WSJ would be interested in receiving the background information about the exact body count cited by ican .
it should probably be relatively easy to provide those details - someone must have established those counts - but who ?
hbg

source :
WSJ - IRAQ DEATH COUNT

hamburger wrote:

re. ICAN'S report on iraqi deaths .
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since the body count is a very exact one (example : 1993 - 53,951 , not approximately 53,900 or 53,950 ) someone must have had a very fine toothcomb to come up with those numbers .
since no source is specified , we are being asked to accept those numbers at face value .

the wall street journal published rather different numbers in october 2006 .
they are certainly NOT as precise and perhaps even have a slightly different base , but at least the source is given .

a/t their report appr. 600,000 iraqis died from march 2003 to 2006 from violent causes .
they further state that a/t human rights watch appr. 250,000 to 290,000 iraqis died during the 20 year rule under SH.

as i said , the WSJ count is not as exact , so perhaps whoever has the background information for ican's numbers has a complete list of the people that died from which the numbers were compiled .
i am wondering if the WSJ would be interested in receiving the background information about the exact body count cited by ican .
it should probably be relatively easy to provide those details - someone must have established those counts - but who ?
hbg

source :
WSJ - IRAQ DEATH COUNT

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
TOTAL BODY COUNT JANUARY 1, 2003 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 76,632
AVERAGE PER MONTH JANUARY 1, 2003 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 1,419

TOTAL BODY COUNT JULY 1, 2006 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 30,888
AVERAGE PER MONTH JULY 1, 2006 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 2,574


My computations for 1993 through 2000 are based on my copies of Encyclopedia Britanica Books of the Year for 1994 through 2001, Iraq/Demography/Vital statistics
VIOLENT DEATHS JANUARY 1, 1993 TO DECEMBER 31, 2000 = 569,916
AVERAGE PER MONTH JANUARY 1, 1993 TO DECEMBER 31, 2000 = 4,749

ican711nm wrote:

hamburger wrote:

re. ICAN'S report on iraqi deaths .
-----------------------------------------
since the body count is a very exact one (example : 1993 - 53,951 , not approximately 53,900 or 53,950 ) someone must have had a very fine toothcomb to come up with those numbers .
since no source is specified , we are being asked to accept those numbers at face value .

the wall street journal published rather different numbers in october 2006 .
they are certainly NOT as precise and perhaps even have a slightly different base , but at least the source is given .

a/t their report appr. 600,000 iraqis died from march 2003 to 2006 from violent causes .
they further state that a/t human rights watch appr. 250,000 to 290,000 iraqis died during the 20 year rule under SH.

as i said , the WSJ count is not as exact , so perhaps whoever has the background information for ican's numbers has a complete list of the people that died from which the numbers were compiled .
i am wondering if the WSJ would be interested in receiving the background information about the exact body count cited by ican .
it should probably be relatively easy to provide those details - someone must have established those counts - but who ?
hbg

source :
WSJ - IRAQ DEATH COUNT

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
TOTAL BODY COUNT JANUARY 1, 2003 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 76,632
AVERAGE PER MONTH JANUARY 1, 2003 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 1,419

TOTAL BODY COUNT JULY 1, 2006 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 30,888
AVERAGE PER MONTH JULY 1, 2006 TO JUNE 30, 2007 = 2,574


My computations for 1993 through 2000 are based on my copies of Encyclopedia Britanica Books of the Year for 1994 through 2001, Iraq/Demography/Vital statistics
VIOLENT DEATHS JANUARY 1, 1993 TO DECEMBER 31, 2000 = 569,916
AVERAGE PER MONTH JANUARY 1, 1993 TO DECEMBER 31, 2000 = 4,749

Yes, but where did Brittanica get their statistics?

Cycloptichorn

Ican, it appears to me that you are letting your nose drop.

Walter posted: Quote:
Displaced Iraqis double despite US military surge

The number of Iraqis who have fled their homes but remained in the country has more than doubled to 1.14 million, despite the "surge" in numbers of US troops in recent months, according to a leading humanitarian organisation.
Statistics collected by the Iraqi Red Crescent Society showed 447,000 internally displaced Iraqis on January 1, soaring to the current figure on July 1 after the deployment of 30,000 extra American personnel starting in February.

The new data, released at the weekend, show that sectarian conflict remains undiminished - despite Washington's claims of an improvement in the security situation in the Baghdad area - and that different communities are now gravitating apart, creating a de facto partition as Shia Muslims move south and Sunnis to the centre and west of the country. The UNHCR said recently that on average 50,000 Iraqis were now fleeing their homes every month. The trend was confirmed last month by the UN's Geneva-based International Organisation for Migration (IOM), which found that internal displacements had escalated since the al-Qaida bombing of the Shia al-Askari shrine in Samarra in February 2006.

In addition to those who have abandoned their homes but stayed in Iraq, some 2 million Iraqis have now fled the country since the 2003 US invasion, with most now living in neighbouring Syria and Jordan.

I'm sure general Petraeus will report on these success stories to convince congress that we must stay much longer to continue the gains made by the surge.

ican, ... If you even bother to read the newspaper, you would know that al Qaeda is being removed from Iraq, because of the cooperation from Iraqis. They don't want al Qaeda in their country; they represented only a very small number/percentage of the violence, and they are constantly being reduced. They have no chance for survival in Iraq.

ican, That's only one "issue" of many; that doesn't equate to "success" by any stretch of anyone's imagination - except yours. The Sunni and Shias are still at it big time, and the government is non-operational. Iran and Saudi Arabia are involved which makes the internal problems of Iraq more problematic. These issues are some of the more important ones for Iraq.

Don't forget how long we've been in South Korea.

okie wrote:

Don't forget how long we've been in South Korea.

What exactly are you trying to imply?

Remember, we occupied Japan for 7 years, and Germany for more than 7 years after our war with them. We should have sense enough to realize the Iraq post war problem is more difficult and consequently will take more occupation time to solve.

ican wrote ;

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Remember, we occupied Japan for 7 years, and Germany for more than 7 years after our war with them. We should have sense enough to realize the Iraq post war problem is more difficult and consequently will take more occupation time to solve.

ican , you do realize no doubt , that after germany surrendered in 1945 no war OR war-like action took place in germany .
no allied soldiers died in germany in war-like actions after may 1945 -
in iraq the situation seems to be just slightly different , doesn't it ?
hbg

okie wrote:

Don't forget how long we've been in South Korea.

What exactly are you trying to imply?