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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 13 May, 2006 09:27 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
A christian president that declares "each life is precious" while planning the killing of thousands of innocent people from "shock and awe bombings" scares the bejeesus out of me!
...

Time again for truth!

Calculated from Iraq Population and Vital Statistics furnished by Britannica Books of the Year:

First Column = Year
Second Column = Iraq Population
Third Column = Iraq Deaths per Million
Fouth Column = Iraq Deaths

2006
2005 27,818,000 5,700 158,563
2004 25,375,000 5,800 147,175
2003 24,683,000 5,900 145,630
2002 24,002,000 6,000 144,012
2001 23,332,000 6,200 144,658
2000 22,676,000 6,400 145,126
1999 22,427,000 7,400 165,960
1998 21,722,000 8,400 182,465
1997 22,219,000 9,400 208,859
1996 21,422,000 10,400 222,789
1995 20,413,000 10,100 206,171
1994 19,869,000 9,800 194,716
1993 19,435,000 8,150 158,395
1992 18,838,000 6,500 122,447
1991 18,317,000 7,000 128,219
1990 17,754,000 7,500 133,155
1989 17,215,000 8,000 137,720
1988 16,630,000 8,200 136,366
1987 16,476,000 8,400 138,398
1986 15,946,000 8,600 137,136
1985 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1984 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1983 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1982 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1981 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1980 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1979 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
TOTALS ========= 4,112,628

Fifth Column = %Annual Non-violent Deaths/Population
Sixth Column = Annual Non-violent Deaths
Seventh Column = Annual Violent Deaths


0.53550% 148,965 9,597
0.53750% 136,391 10,784
0.54569% 134,693 10,937
0.53956% 129,506 14,506
0.53956% 125,891 18,767
0.53956% 122,351 22,775
0.53956% 121,008 44,952
0.53956% 117,204 65,261
0.53956% 119,886 88,973
0.53956% 115,585 107,204
0.53956% 110,141 96,030
0.53956% 107,206 87,510
0.53956% 104,864 53,531
0.53956% 101,643 20,804
0.53956% 98,832 29,387
0.53956% 95,794 37,361
0.53956% 92,886 44,834
0.53956% 89,729 46,637
0.53956% 88,898 49,500
0.53956% 86,039 51,097
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
===== 2,839,586 1,273,043
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 01:24 am
Cambodia

In 1982, trying to remove the smell from the Khmer Rouge, the United States put together a coalition composed of the Khmer Rouge and two "non-communist" groups also opposed to the Cambodian government, one headed by former Cambodian ruler, Prince Sihanouk.
The coalition became the recipient of much aid from the US and China, mainly funneled through Thailand. The American aid, by the late 1980s, reached $5 million officially, with the CIA providing between $20 and $24 million behind Congress's back. The aid was usually referred to as "non-lethal" or "humanitarian", but any aid freed up other money to purchase military equipment in the world's arms markets. Officially, Washington was not providing any of this aid to the Khmer Rouge, but it knew full well that Pol Pot's forces were likely to be the ultimate beneficiaries. As one US official put it: "Of course, if the coalition wins, the Khmer Rouge will eat the others alive". In any event, the CIA and the Chinese were supplying arms directly as well to the Khmer Rouge.

Pol Pot's regime killed between 1.5 to 2.3 million people between 1975-1979, out of a population of approximately 8 million. The regime targeted Buddhist monks, Western educated intellectuals, people who appeared to be intelligent (for example, individuals with glasses), the crippled and lame, and ethnic minorities like ethnic Laotians and Vietnamese.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 01:46 am
Congo/Zaire

Addicted to Mobutu: why America can't learn from its foreign policy mistakes - Congo President Mobutu Sese Seko
Washington Monthly, Sept, 1997 by Stephen R. Weissman
American foreign policy's 37-year investment in the Congo (formerly known as Zaire) has just gone bust. Notwithstanding some $1.5 billion in direct U.S. aid -- and billions more in U.S.-subsidized Export-Import Bank, World Bank, and United Nations assistance -- President Mobutu Sese Seko's "pro-Western" government melted away before Laurent Kabila's advancing rebels. Few observers mourned Mobutu's passing. During his three decades in power, Mobutu enriched himself and his cronies while impoverishing his people; turned Zaire's military into a rabble effective only in preying upon and repressing civilians; and earned the lasting contempt of the majority of important African leaders. His regime's fatal gambit was an association with exiled Hutu militants from neighboring Rwanda. These genocidaires had exterminated hundreds of thousands of minority Tutsi and were using Zaire as a base to return to power. In response, persecuted Zairean Tutsi, aided by the governments of Rwanda and Uganda, formed the core of a multi-ethnic and multinational alliance that finally drove Mobutu from the country. Now, after passing up countless opportunities to press for democratic reforms and wasting billions of dollars to support Mobutu's morally bankrupt regime, the United States confronts the legacy of its policy: Zaire's economy is in shambles, the genocidal Hutu-tutsi conflict in Rwanda and Burundi has spilled across its borders, and the country is now ruled by a military-based regime whose commitment to democracy and human rights is unclear and over whom -- thanks to our long passivity in the face of rising anti-Mobutu sentiment -- the United States has limited influence.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 02:02 am
Central America

The name Otto Reich topped the list of 18 nominees submitted last month by Secretary of State Colin Powell. He is one of a group of veterans of the illegal covert wars fought by Washington in Central America under the Reagan administration in the 1980s who are now reassuming key posts in the US foreign policy establishment.

John Negroponte, as ambassador to Honduras during that period, played a key role in supplying and supervising the CIA-backed "contra" mercenaries who were based in that country, and whose US-funded operations claimed 50,000 lives. During the same period, Honduran military death squads, operating with Washington support, assassinated hundreds of opponents of the US-backed regime.

Negroponte was quietly installed as US Ambassador to the United Nations just a week after the September 11 attack. The irony of appointing an individual so deeply implicated in savage acts of state-sponsored terror to serve as a principal spokesman for an international war on terrorism passed without notice in the US media.

Similarly, Elliott Abrams, who pleaded guilty in 1991 to lying to Congress over the conduct of the terrorist war against Nicaragua, was installed by the president to head an "office for democracy and human rights," a subsection of the National Security Council.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 11:17 am
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
A christian president that declares "each life is precious" while planning the killing of thousands of innocent people from "shock and awe bombings" scares the bejeesus out of me!
...

Time again for truth!

Calculated from Iraq Population and Vital Statistics furnished by Britannica Books of the Year:

First Column = Year
Second Column = Iraq Population
Third Column = Iraq Deaths per Million
Fouth Column = Iraq Deaths

2006
2005 27,818,000 5,700 158,563
2004 25,375,000 5,800 147,175
2003 24,683,000 5,900 145,630
2002 24,002,000 6,000 144,012
2001 23,332,000 6,200 144,658
2000 22,676,000 6,400 145,126
1999 22,427,000 7,400 165,960
1998 21,722,000 8,400 182,465
1997 22,219,000 9,400 208,859
1996 21,422,000 10,400 222,789
1995 20,413,000 10,100 206,171
1994 19,869,000 9,800 194,716
1993 19,435,000 8,150 158,395
1992 18,838,000 6,500 122,447
1991 18,317,000 7,000 128,219
1990 17,754,000 7,500 133,155
1989 17,215,000 8,000 137,720
1988 16,630,000 8,200 136,366
1987 16,476,000 8,400 138,398
1986 15,946,000 8,600 137,136
Corrections for years 1985 thru 1979. (1979 was the year Saddam obtained power.)
1985 15,676,000 8,700 136,381
1984 15,358,000 8,700 133,615
1983 15,040,000 8,700 130,848
1982 14,722,000 8,700 128,081
1981 14,404,000 8,700 125,315
1980 14,086,000 8,700 122,548
1979 13,768,000 8,700 119,782
TOTALS ========= 4,054,530


Fifth Column = %Annual Non-violent Deaths/Population
Sixth Column = Annual Non-violent Deaths
Seventh Column = Annual Violent Deaths


0.53550% 148,965 9,597
0.53750% 136,391 10,784
0.54569% 134,693 10,937
0.53956% 129,506 14,506
0.53956% 125,891 18,767
0.53956% 122,351 22,775
0.53956% 121,008 44,952
0.53956% 117,204 65,261
0.53956% 119,886 88,973
0.53956% 115,585 107,204
0.53956% 110,141 96,030
0.53956% 107,206 87,510
0.53956% 104,864 53,531
0.53956% 101,643 20,804
0.53956% 98,832 29,387
0.53956% 95,794 37,361
0.53956% 92,886 44,834
0.53956% 89,729 46,637
0.53956% 88,898 49,500
0.53956% 86,039 51,097
Corrections for years 1985 thru 1979. (1979 was the year Saddam obtained power.)
0.53956% 84,582 51,799
0.53956% 82,866 50,748
0.53956% 81,150 49,698
0.53956% 79,435 48,647
0.53956% 77,719 47,596
0.53956% 76,003 46,545
0.53956% 74,287 45,495
===== 2,803,554 1,250,976
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 12:02 pm
WHO ARE THE REAL ENEMY?
Terrorist malignancy and malicious, pernicious, invidious "Big Brother" collectivists obstructing extermination of terrorist malignancy.
Quote:

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/wtc/moussaoui_indictment/?p=1

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA
ALEXANDRIA DIVISION

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

-v-

ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI,
a/k/a "Shaqil"
a/k/a "abu Khalid al sahrawi,"
...
Overt Acts

In furtherance of the conspiracy, and to effect its objects, the defendant, and others known and unknown to the Grand Jury, committed the following overt acts:

The Provision of Guesthouses and Training Camps

1. At various times from at least as early as 1989, Usama Bin Laden, and others known and unknown, provided training camps and guesthouses in Afghanistan, including camps known as Khalden, Derunta, Khost, Siddiq, and Jihad Wal, for the use of al Qaeda and its affiliated groups. The Training

2. At various times from at least as early as 1990, unindicted co-conspirators, known and unknown, provided military and intelligence training in various areas, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Sudan, for the use of al Qaeda and its affiliated groups, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. Financial and Business Dealings

3. At various times from at least as early as 1989 until the date of the filing of this Indictment, Usama Bin Laden, and others known and unknown, engaged in financial and business transactions on behalf of al Qaeda, including, but not limited to: purchasing land for training camps; purchasing warehouses for storage of items, including explosives; purchasing communications and electronics equipment; transferring funds between corporate accounts; and transporting currency and weapons to members of al Qaeda and its associated terrorist organizations in various countries throughout the world. The Efforts to Obtain Nuclear Weapons and Their Components

4. At various times from at least as early as 1992, Usama Bin Laden, and others known and unknown, made efforts to obtain the components of nuclear weapons.

The Fatwahs Against American Troops in Saudi Arabia and Yemen

5. At various times from in or about 1992 until the date of the filing of this Indictment, Usama Bin Laden, working together with members of the fatwah committee of al Qaeda, disseminated fatwahs to other members and associates of al Qaeda that the United States forces stationed on the Saudi Arabian peninsula, including both Saudi Arabia and Yemen, should be attacked.

The Fatwah Against American Troops in Somalia

6. At various times from in or about 1992 until in or about 1993, Usama Bin Laden, working together with members of the fatwah committee of al Qaeda, disseminated fatwahs to other members and associates of al Qaeda that the United States forces stationed in the Horn of Africa, including Somalia, should be attacked.

The Fatwah Regarding Deaths of Nonbelievers

7. On various occasions, an unindicted co-conspirator advised other members of al Qaeda that it was Islamically proper to engage in violent actions against "infidels" (nonbelievers), even if others might be killed by such actions, because if the others were "innocent," they would go to paradise, and if they were not "innocent," they deserved to die.

The August 1996 Declaration of War

8. On or about August 23, 1996, a Declaration of Jihad indicating that it was from the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan entitled, "Message from Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Laden to His Muslim Brothers in the Whole World and Especially in the Arabian Peninsula: Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Mosques; Expel the Heretics from the Arabian Peninsula" was disseminated.

The February 1998 Fatwah Against American Civilians

9. In February 1998, Usama Bin Laden endorsed a fatwah under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders." This fatwah, published in the publication Al-Quds al-`Arabi on February 23, 1998, stated that Muslims should kill Americans - including civilians - anywhere in the world where they can be found.

10. In an address in or about 1998, Usama Bin Laden cited American aggression against Islam and encouraged a jihad that would eliminate the Americans from the Arabian Peninsula.

Bin Laden Endorses the Nuclear Bomb of Islam

11. On or about May 29, 1998, Usama Bin Laden issued a statement entitled "The Nuclear Bomb of Islam," under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Fighting the Jews and the Crusaders," in which he stated that "it is the duty of the Muslims to prepare as much force as possible to terrorize the enemies of God."

Usama Bin Laden Issues Further Threats in June 1999

12. In or about June 1999, in an interview with an Arabic-language television station, Usama Bin Laden issued a further threat indicating that all American males should be killed.

Usama Bin Laden Calls for "Jihad" to Free Imprisoned Terrorists

13. In or about September 2000, in an interview with an Arabic-language television station, Usama Bin Laden called for a "jihad" to release the "brothers" in jail "everywhere."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 01:49 pm
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 02:31 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
More progress in Iraq.

May 14, 2006
2 Car Bombs Kill at Least 14 at Baghdad Airport
By SABRINA TAVERNISE

...

Approximately 31,000 Iraqi civilians have been murdered by terrorist malignancy since 1/1/2003. Another approximately 8,000 Iraqi civilians have been inadvertently killed by coalition forces, while they were combatting terrorist malignancy.

Terrorist malignancy in Iraq must be exterminated long before it infects more humans and it exterminates almost all the rest of the non-malignancy portion of the human species.

Mass murderers of civilians, their abettors, their advocates and their silent witnesses, all comprise terrorist malignancy.

A total of 20 suicidal members of terrorist malignancy, including one spare named Moussaoui, murdered almost 3,000 American civilians. Al-Qaeda trained 10,000 to 20,000 in Afghanistan before 9/11. That probaby leaves a minimum of 10,000 for more murdering still: 3,000 x 10,000/20 = 1,500,000. Not counting the mass murdering of civilians by the former Saddam regime, al-Qaeda have so far murdered almost 40,000 Iraqi, Afghani, and other civilians. If not stoped, that probably leaves at least 1,500,000 - 40,000 = 1,460,000 civilians to go.

Terrorist malignancy must be exterminated.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 02:35 pm
A serious question: why do you keep posting things like this?

Noone takes you seriously when you talk like 'terrorist malignancy' all the time. It just gets tiresome seeing you repeat the same things over and over again, and it doesn't convince anyone of anything, other than the fact that you are just as extreme as those you wish to kill.

You don't think there are more persuasive ways of presenting your argument?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 02:55 pm
Cyclo, I have learned to scroll over whatever ican posts. It's not worth the effort to separate the orginals from the repeats, and his tiresome vocabulary.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 03:01 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
A serious question: why do you keep posting things like this?

Noone takes you seriously when you talk like 'terrorist malignancy' all the time. It just gets tiresome seeing you repeat the same things over and over again, and it doesn't convince anyone of anything, other than the fact that you are just as extreme as those you wish to kill.

You don't think there are more persuasive ways of presenting your argument?

Cycloptichorn
The Bush people are going nuts. They have held on so long and put so much faith into Bush that they have developed thir very own syndrome.

I think the state should open a psychiatric ward for them.

"The Bill Clinton Bush Supporters Psychatric Ward" inducted by the new president.....Hillery!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 03:05 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
A serious question: why do you keep posting things like this?
...
You don't think there are more persuasive ways of presenting your argument?

Cycloptichorn

I keep posting things like this because they are true, and because I feel obligated to you, and everyone else here who thinks otherwise, to try and convince them that what I post is true.

Do you think there are more persuasive ways to present my arguments?

If so, what are they.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 03:09 pm
Here's a more persuasive way: drop the perjorative terminology. We all know how you feel about things, and your continued use of 'malignancy' talk, which has been going on for about a year now, is ridiculous and puts people off, even if you think it is accurate.

You come off as an extremist, as someone who doesn't have real-world solutions, but instead sees terrorists, insurgents, and everyone who possibly could be against the US as some sort of non-human. They are not non-humans.

Also, here's an important point:
Quote:
I keep posting things like this because they are true


You left out the words I believe. I believe that they are true.

Just my 2 cents

Cycloptichorn
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 03:18 pm
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
More progress in Iraq.

May 14, 2006
2 Car Bombs Kill at Least 14 at Baghdad Airport
By SABRINA TAVERNISE

...

Approximately 31,000 Iraqi civilians have been murdered by terrorist malignancy since 1/1/2003. Another approximately 8,000 Iraqi civilians have been inadvertently killed by coalition forces, while they were combatting terrorist malignancy.

Terrorist malignancy in Iraq must be exterminated long before it infects more humans and it exterminates almost all the rest of the non-malignancy portion of the human species.

Mass murderers of civilians, their abettors, their advocates and their silent witnesses, all comprise terrorist malignancy.

A total of 20 suicidal members of terrorist malignancy, including one spare named Moussaoui, murdered almost 3,000 American civilians. Al-Qaeda trained 10,000 to 20,000 in Afghanistan before 9/11. That probaby leaves a minimum of 10,000 for more murdering still: 3,000 x 10,000/20 = 1,500,000. Not counting the mass murdering of civilians by the former Saddam regime, al-Qaeda have so far murdered almost 40,000 Iraqi, Afghani, and other civilians. If not stoped, that probably leaves at least 1,500,000 - 40,000 = 1,460,000 civilians to go.

Terrorist malignancy must be exterminated.



It's truth time ican!!!!

12/14/1997

Oil barons court Taliban in Texas By Caroline Lees

THE Taliban, Afghanistan's Islamic fundamentalist army, is about to sign a £2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country.

The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. Last week Unocal, the Houston-based company bidding to build the 876-mile pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan, invited the Taliban to visit them in Texas. Dressed in traditional salwar khameez, Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/images/078_taliban_in_texas.jpg
Taliban representatives in Texas, 1997. [Source: Lions Gate Films]

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/Rumsfeld-hussein.jpg

Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
With Joyce Battle
Middle East Analyst, National Security Archive at George Washington University
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003; 11 a.m. ET

The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980's. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion.

Join Joyce Battle, Middle East analyst at the
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From 1985 to 1990 the department of commerce approved the sale of $1.5 Billion worth of duel use technologies, from chemical and biological components to computers and equipment for conventional and nuclear weapons systems. In the same period $308 million worth of aircraft, helicoptors and associated parts were also transferred to Irag.

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"In 1979, Bush?s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden?s, in Arbusto.

"In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ?80s in what has been called the ?largest bank fraud in world financial history? by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the ?80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 04:01 pm
Amigo wrote:

...
The Bush people have are going nuts. They have held on so long and put so much faith into Bush that they have developed thir very own syndrome.
...

The anti-Bush people went nuts when Bush was first elected. They grew even nuttier after Bush's re-election.

The anti-Bush people are nuts to think those of us who support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars do so because of our faith in Bush. The anti-Bush people are nuts to think that our support of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is a product of our desire to control the world. The anti-Bush people are nuts to think that our support of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is a product of anything other than our realization that winning these wars (i.e., establishing governments in these countries capable of securing the liberty of their own people) is necessary to the survival of our own liberty.

The anti-Bush people are nuts to think that we who support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are convinced that Bush knows how to win these wars. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. If he doesn't know, maybe he will come to knlow. If not, then maybe his replacement will know or come to know. Regardless, we must win the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

We who support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars do so more regardless of Bush than because of Bush. We persist in looking for and examining ways to win these wars. The anti-Bush nuts persist in looking for Bush mistakes to intensify their anti-Bush nuttiness and avoid reality.

The anti-Bush people are nuts to think that my repetition of truths in response to their repetition of falsities, is a syndrome of anything other than my honest desire to relieve ant-Bush nuts of their nuttiness.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 04:17 pm
Amigo wrote:

...
It's truth time ican!!!!

12/14/1997

Oil barons court Taliban in Texas By Caroline Lees
...
Iraq: Declassified Documents of U.S. Support for Hussein
...
"In 1979, Bush?s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend.
...

I'd rather the Taliban build oil pipelines with USA help than murder Afghanistan civilians.

Pre-1991, USA support for Saddam Hussein is very old news. It was a part of USA's failed, past foreign policy to contain, stabilize and sustain tyrants throughout the world in the misguided belief we would not eventually have to pay dearly for the consequences of that policy. Fortunately, at the very least, Bush has abandoned that damn policy.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 04:31 pm
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 04:41 pm
united states - iraq
i found it interesting and enlightening to review a timeline of united states - vietnam relations since the 1950's .
vietnam - once considered a major enemy of the united-states - seems to have become a member of the international families of nations .
one has to wonder why it was necessary to wage a war that cost so many lives ?
it seems that vietnam has become as peaceful as many other nations , even though it has a communist government .
can something be learned from that ?
is it necessary to go to war and kill many people because of (essentially) political differences ?
does this show that in the end diplomacy works best ?
president bush seems to think so - he received the vietnam premier at the white house .
have a look and see want you think .
hbg


...UNITED STATES - VIETNAM TIMELINE...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 04:47 pm
hbg, Like Iraq, the Vietnam war was started on false information. The big difference between the two is the simple fact that the three tribes of Iraq have been at war before the British settled their country's boundaries.

Bush supporters keep telling us that Iraq's progress is proven by establishment of their "new" government while the insurgent and sectarian killings continue to increase at unprecedented levels. Their ignorance is too substantial to even rationalize with common sense.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 14 May, 2006 04:49 pm
Nice link Hamburger and thanks for something enlightening to think about.
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