THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

i thought my questions were pretty straight-forward :

"i thought we were bringing "western values" to iraq and the rest of the middle-east ?
is the death penalty one of the western values we want those countries to learn about ? "

i didn't realize my questions were that difficult .
so perhaps i'll re-phrase my questions :
"is one of the objectives of the war in iraq to bring western values to the country ? " .

perhaps we can go on from there and discuss what might be seen as (western) values .
hbg

Regime change

Bring democracy to Iraq.

Do you think we will ever uncover the real reason for the madmans preplanned invasion of Iraq?

US 'breeding extremism' in Iraq
by Ahmed Janabi
Sunday 05 November 2006

An Iraqi parliamentary delegation visiting Qatar has accused the US army in Iraq of breeding extremism by carrying out an "irresponsible arrest campaign".

The delegation represents the Iraqi Accordance Front, which is the biggest Sunni Arab bloc in the Iraqi parliament, occupying 44 seats in the 275 seat parliament.

Adnan al-Dulaimi, the chairman of the Front, said: "There are now around 17,000 Iraqi detainees in Buka camp in the south. Most of them are innocent people. They get arrested and thrown in jail for months and years without charges and without trial, and while in prison they are approached by al-Qaeda people.

"When you are forgotten and suffer psychological pressure you tend to go back to religion and appeal to God to end your ordeal, added to that the desire to take revenge on those who illegally threw you in jail, you tend to be a soft target for extremists."

Communication failure
The delegation held the US army in Iraq responsible for their failure in communicating with armed groups opposed to the US presence in Iraq.

Dhafir al-Ani, a member of the delegation, said: "We have hundreds of examples of people who had nothing to do with armed action, taken to jail, and then released just to join al-Qaeda fighters.

"The US army is blindly following tip-offs from Shia sectarians who just want to harm Sunnis for being Sunnis, and the US army is just not getting this and keeps on filling its detention centers with innocent prisoners, most of them under 25 and [who] do not enjoy [a] solid political ideology, which makes them vulnerable and easily influenced by others, mainly al-Qaeda.

Promises
Al-Dulaimi criticized US officials for not fulfilling their promises to him personally and to many members of his bloc.

"In every meeting I have with US officials I repeat my appeal to them to take into consideration that they cannot keep people in prison indefinitely without charges.

"It is just not right and gains them nothing but increasing extremists who spend their days in detention looking forward to one thing, which is to be released one day and to take their revenge.

"They keep reassuring me that they would take action but they never did. They release [a] few dozens and the next day arrest hundreds."

Aljazeera
By Ahmed Janabi
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/37D62D4A-C9B8-4325-8EE4-76D78CA1C3B7.htm

Taken together, these and other findings raise more questions than they answer in a case that already had veered from suggestions that it all was a result of the "fog of war" to insinuations that criminal acts were responsible.

The Pentagon's failure to reveal for more than a month that Tillman was killed by friendly fire raised suspicions of a cover-up. One investigator told Tillman's family that authorities haven't ruled out that Tillman was shot by an American sniper or deliberately murdered by his own men--though he also gave no indication the evidence pointed that way.

And so, almost two years after three bullets through the forehead killed the star defensive back--a man President Bush would call "an inspiration on and off the football field"--the fourth investigation is now under way, asking this question: Was a crime committed?

(1981-1993) US and British companies are among several Western firms that sell Iraq materials that can be used to develop nuclear, chemical, biological, and conventional weapons. [Associated Press, 12/21/2002; New York Times, 12/21/2002; Washington Post, 12/30/2002; San Francisco Chronicle, 1/26/2003; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

United States -
Biological: American Type Culture Collection, several biological precursor agents for diseases like anthrax, gangrene, and the West Nile virus; Alcolac International, Thiodiglycol, the mustard gas precursor; Al Haddad, 60 tons of a chemical that could be used to make sarin; Dow Chemical, $1.5 million of pesticides (see December 1988). [Washington Post, 12/30/2002; New York Times, 12/21/2002; Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002]

Nuclear: TI Coating; UNISYS; Tektronix; Leybold Vacuum Systems; Finnigan-MAT-US; Hewlett Packard; Dupont; Consarc; Cerberus (LTD) ; Canberra Industries; Axel Electronics Inc. [Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002; Z Magazine, 10/29/2002]

Rocket Program: Honeywell ;TI Coating; UNISYS; Honeywell; Semetex; Sperry Corp.; Tektronix; Hewlett Packard; Eastman Kodak; Electronic Associates; EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. [Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002; Z Magazine, 10/29/2002]

Conventional weapons: Honeywell; Spektra Physics; TI Coating; UNISYS; Sperry Corp.; Rockwell; Hewlett Packard; Carl Zeis -U.S; Union Carbide. [Die Tageszeitung (Berlin), 10/18/2002; Z Magazine, 10/29/2002; San Francisco Chronicle, 1/26/2003; Washington Post, 12/30/2002]

United Kingdom -
: Nuclear weapons: Euromac Ltd-UK.; C Plath-Nuclear; Endshire Export Marketing; International Computer Systems; MEED International; International Computer Limited; Matrix Churchill Corp.; Ali Ashour Daghir.; Inwako; XYY Options, Inc. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

Chemical weapons: MEED International; International Computer Systems; International Military Services; Sheffield Forgemasters; Technology Development Group; International Signal and Control; Terex Corporation; Walter Somers Ltd. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]

Conventional: International Computer Systems; International Computer Limited; TMG Engineering. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/23/2003]
Entity Tags: Walter Somers Ltd., Terex Corporation, TMG Engineering, American Type Culture Collection, International Signal and Control, Technology Development Group, Sheffield Forgemasters, Axel Electronics Inc., Canberra Industries, Cerberus (LTD), Consarc, Al Haddad, Alcolac International, Dupont, Hewlett Packard, TI Coating, UNISYS, Tektronix, Finnigan-MAT-US, Leybold Vacuum Systems, Dow Chemical, Honeywell, Semetex, International Computer Limited, Matrix Churchill Corp., Ali Ashour Daghir, International Military Services, XYY Options, Inc., Inwako, MEED International, International Computer Systems, C Plath-Nuclear, Electronic Associates, Eastman Kodak, Sperry Corp., EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc., Spektra Physics, Rockwell, Euromac Ltd-UK, Union Carbide, Carl Zeis -U.S, Endshire Export Marketing

Here's another source about our involvement in helping Saddam Hussein develope his WMD's.

Reagan and Bush 1 created the monster; Bush 2 says he has to be destroyed and in the process is creating a newer and more deadly monster.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html

Only if both regime changes ended in a trial and penalty, many in this world would rejoice.

ican wrote: 2003 (during Bush43 presidency) Saddam Hussein's regime ends.

And world terrorism becomes widespread.

Sunday, November 12, 2006

Bush approval is at 31%. Americans think his presidency is over.
by Joe in DC - 11/12/2006 10:18:00 PM

Americans don't like the President anymore. Really, really don't like him. And, most Americans think his presidency is history:

President Bush's job approval rating has fallen to just 31 percent, according to the new NEWSWEEK Poll. Bill Clinton's lowest rating during his presidency was 36 percent; Bush's father's was 29 percent, and Ronald Reagan's was 35 percent. Jimmy Carter's and Richard Nixon's lows were 28 and 23 percent, respectively. (Just 24 approve of outgoing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's job performance; and 31 percent approve of Vice President Dick Cheney's.)

Worst of all, most Americans are writing off the rest of Bush's presidency; two-thirds (66 percent) believe he will be unable to get much done, up from 56 percent in a mid-October poll; only 32 percent believe he can be effective. That's unfortunate since 63 percent of Americans say they're dissatisfied with the way things are going in the country; just 29 percent are satisfied, reports the poll of 1,006 adults conducted Thursday and Friday nights.

Unfortunately, we've got two more years of the clown. Fortunately, Congress is controlled by the Democrats so he can be reined in.