THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:

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I hear today that Mr Limbaugh has criticised Michael J Fox for not being sick enough, for exaggerating his terminal disability.

You guys are all heart, aren't you?

This is more of your pseudology.

I heard the first two Limbaugh shows in which Limbaugh commented on Michael J Fox's participation in a pro-cloning TV advertisement. However, the ad is described by Democrat pseudologist's as a pro stem cell research ad.

Limbaugh speculated that Fox appeared in that ad without taking his medication. In the ad Fox exhibited severe body tremors.

The pseudologizing Democrats are claiming Republicans oppose stem cell research, because they oppose cloning and because they oppose research based on stem cells removed from fetuses.

Republicans have actively supported and do support stem cell research based on stem cells donated by born people. They passed a bill supporting this research.

Democrats are all pseudologists aren't they?

F*cking despicable to hear you defend Limbaugh on this one, Ican. You should be ashamed of yourself. Making fun of a sick guy, sheesh, McT was right, y'all are all heart

Cycloptichorn

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McGentrix wrote:

The US must remain and act as a guide to bring the barbarians to the table and teach them to use forks instead of their hands.

That remark kind of jumped up at me, but I'm not sure what to say about it. Stumped for words at the moment.

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The right likes to pick on the disabled, injured, et al. Do you remember Coulter going after the 9/11 widows, and other Republicans going after wounded vets, such as Kerry and Cleland. There is no indecency that is beyond them.

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McTag wrote:

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[Iraqis] have the freedom to do things that don't involve going outside their houses. Outside, it's too dangerous to go.

That should tell you something about what we have wrought there.

This comment of yours tells me you are psychotic on this subject.

We are not causing the killing of Iraqis in their streets. The deliberate killers of Iraqis are causing the killing of Iraqis in their streets. We are trying to curtail that killing. Our current failure to curtail that killing is not a cause of that killing. Our failure to curtail that killing is caused by our choice of inadequate tactics to curtail that killing.

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ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:

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[Iraqis] have the freedom to do things that don't involve going outside their houses. Outside, it's too dangerous to go.

That should tell you something about what we have wrought there.

This comment of yours tells me you are psychotic on this subject.

We are not causing the killing of Iraqis in their streets. The deliberate killers of Iraqis are causing the killing of Iraqis in their streets. We are trying to curtail that killing. Our current failure to curtail that killing is not a cause of that killing. Our failure to curtail that killing is caused by our choice of inadequate tactics to curtail that killing.

Let the record show I partly agree with part of an Ican post.

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ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:

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[Iraqis] have the freedom to do things that don't involve going outside their houses. Outside, it's too dangerous to go.

That should tell you something about what we have wrought there.

This comment of yours tells me you are psychotic on this subject.

We are not causing the killing of Iraqis in their streets. The deliberate killers of Iraqis are causing the killing of Iraqis in their streets. We are trying to curtail that killing. Our current failure to curtail that killing is not a cause of that killing. Our failure to curtail that killing is caused by our choice of inadequate tactics to curtail that killing.

Sounds like an Abbot and Costello routine. Who is on first? I don't know.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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F*cking despicable to hear you defend Limbaugh on this one, Ican. You should be ashamed of yourself. Making fun of a sick guy, sheesh, McT was right, y'all are all heart

Cycloptichorn

Michael J. Fox, subsequent to Rush Limbaugh's comments about his not taking his medication prior to his appearance in that ad, admitted that he was asked to appear in that ad without taking his medication prior to his appearance. Limbaugh made fun of the makers of the ad--not Fox--for asking Fox to do that.

I disagree with Limbaugh's making fun of the makers of that ad. I think Limbaugh should have instead vilified the makers of that ad (e.g., told them they were "f*cking despicable").

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So what does it matter if he took his meds or not? He still has the disease. Embryonic stem cells are the best chance for a cure that we can see right now. I don't even want to hear you discuss this subject, becuase it is pretty clear that you don't know a damn thing about the science other than what you have heard come out of some Republican mouthpiece.

Your defense of Limbaugh is pathetic. It was a stupid thing to say, and he should have just apologized and had it done with.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

So what does it matter if he took his meds or not? He still has the disease. Embryonic stem cells are the best chance for a cure that we can see right now. I don't even want to hear you discuss this subject, becuase it is pretty clear that you don't know a damn thing about the science other than what you have heard come out of some Republican mouthpiece.

Your defense of Limbaugh is pathetic. It was a stupid thing to say, and he should have just apologized and had it done with.

Cycloptichorn

If you have not listened to Rush, and I assume you haven't, then you are guilty of doing nothing more then listening to the liberal mouthpieces spout their ill-informed rhetoric about Rush.

Rushs' point is that victims can not be allowed to be get away with spouting their BS and expect to not be questioned on the smell. It's the same as what Coulter did with the 9/11 widows.

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...MEDICATION CAUSES SHAKING...

a neurologist being interviewed on the 6 o'clock news explained that the shaking experienced by parkinson's sufferers is actually "caused by the medication " .

see USA TODAY link above :
"John Rogers, Fox's spokesman, called Limbaugh's remarks "shameful."

It's an appalling, sad statement," Rogers said. "Anybody who understands Parkinson's disease knows it's because of the medicine that one experiences body movements like those seen in the ad. "

i imagine rush doesn't have the foggiest idea about parkinson's disease but he seems to feel qualified to blabber about it anyway .
hbg

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It's the same as what Coulter did with the 9/11 widows.

Yeah, great comparison there.

I listened to the shows in question - not just a one minute clip, but a whole ten minutes to either side - and Rush, as usual, doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

Cycloptichorn

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Sure he does. He knows that for some reason, Michael J. Fox made an appeal to sympathy in an effort to help forward a position he believes in. He used his disability, either through the use of acting, or by not taking his medication to accentuate his disability. Rush commented on that. Should no one be allowed to make comments about people using their disability to forward a political position?

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McGentrix wrote:

Sure he does. He knows that for some reason, Michael J. Fox made an appeal to sympathy in an effort to help forward a position he believes in. He used his disability, either through the use of acting, or by not taking his medication to accentuate his disability. Rush commented on that. Should no one be allowed to make comments about people using their disability to forward a political position?

Shame on you!

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McGentrix wrote:

Sure he does. He knows that for some reason, Michael J. Fox made an appeal to sympathy in an effort to help forward a position he believes in. He used his disability, either through the use of acting, or by not taking his medication to accentuate his disability. Rush commented on that. Should no one be allowed to make comments about people using their disability to forward a political position?

I agree with Au. Where's your sense of dignity?

'Not taking medication' doesn't 'accentuate' his disability. You apparently also don't know a thing about Parkinsons. The shaking is caused by the medication for most patients. The alternative is a form of paralysis in which one cannot move at all.

Fox's position isn't a political one. It's a humanistic one. He wants a cure for himself and others like him. That's not a political position.

You guys disgust me

Cycloptichorn

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I disagree. He is in a commercial discussing a piece of legislation in Missouri... not a political stance? How do you figure?

You guys are so blind I doubt you could find your nise without a seeing eye dog.

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Oh, so you're going to completely ignore the fact that both you and Rush had it backwards about 'not taking the medicine to emphasize shaking?'

It may be odd to you, but one can hold an opinion without it being a political stance. I think that harming the environment through pollution is wrong. That's not a political stance. McCain thinks torture is wrong. That's not a political stance. It's a moral one.

Your ad hominem attacks are useless in light of your incredible ignorance. And I can find my nise just fine by myself, thanks.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

So what does it matter if he took his meds or not? He still has the disease. Embryonic stem cells are the best chance for a cure that we can see right now.

According to the scientific reports I have read, you are misinformed on this subject. Embryonic stem cells are not the best chance for a cure that scientific researchers in this can see right now. Adult stem cell research is at least as good as embryonic stem cell research, probably much better. What scientific research have you seen reported that says otherwise?
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Cycloptichorn

Here is but one sample of my sources that describe both adult and embryonic stem cell researches. I can find nothing so far that claims embryonic stem cell research is the best chance for a cure that scientific researchers in this can see right now--both are being researched:

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http://www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/

Stem Cell Science and Medical Updates

October 2006
Insulin-Producing Pancreatic Cells Are Created From Human Embryonic Stem Cells
Stem Cells Extend Life Of Rats With Animal Model Of Lou Gehrig's Disease

September 2006
Scientists Discover Way Of Targeting And Eradicating Cancer Stem Cells In Acute Myeloid Leukemia
Will Embryonic Stem Cells Help Treat Macular Degeneration?
Researchers Grow Nerve, Bone and Blood Vessel Cells From Adult Pig Stem Cells
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Check it out! This particular list is short and only goes back to January 2006.

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ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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F*cking despicable to hear you defend Limbaugh on this one, Ican. You should be ashamed of yourself. Making fun of a sick guy, sheesh, McT was right, y'all are all heart

Cycloptichorn

Michael J. Fox, subsequent to Rush Limbaugh's comments about his not taking his medication prior to his appearance in that ad, admitted that he was asked to appear in that ad without taking his medication prior to his appearance. Limbaugh made fun of the makers of the ad--not Fox--for asking Fox to do that.

I disagree with Limbaugh's making fun of the makers of that ad. I think Limbaugh should have instead vilified the makers of that ad (e.g., told them they were "f*cking despicable").

I am curious where I can find Fox saying this?

Physicians have said a side effect of the medicine is the shaking.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Oh, so you're going to completely ignore the fact that both you and Rush had it backwards about 'not taking the medicine to emphasize shaking?'
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Cycloptichorn

I believe Michael J. Fox. As I previously posted, he later admitted that not taking his medicine, as requested by the maker of the ad, caused his shaking in the ad.

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parados wrote:

I am curious where I can find Fox saying this?

On an hourly news program, Fox was reported to have said it . I'll look for it.

Meanwhile:

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/10/23/actor_michael_j_fox_ad_touts_mccaskill/
Actor Michael J. Fox ad touts McCaskill
Democratic senatorial candidate Claire McCaskill greets supporters during a campaign stop in Clinton, Mo. in this Oct. 13, 2006 file photo. (AP Photo/Orlin Wagner)
By Sam Hananel, Associated Press Writer | October 23, 2006

WASHINGTON --His body visibly wracked by tremors, actor Michael J. Fox speaks out for Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill in a television ad that promotes her support for embryonic stem cell research. ...

parados wrote:

Physicians have said a side effect of the medicine is the shaking.

The following is a contradiction that for Fox, "a side effect of the medicine is the shaking." The medicine actually reduces Fox's shaking.

emphasis added

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http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7579
While there are no medications that can stop Parkinson disease from progressing, many good medical treatments are available for its symptoms. Fox takes the drug Sinemet (levodopa-carbidopa). It controls some of the milder symptoms, including, "the constant rigidity of his hips, tremors in one or both hands, and a 'tapping' feeling in his feet." Mr. Fox reportedly has also had brain surgery (on the thalamus) to try to relieve his tremors.

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