THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think it is important to remember that before the war happened, the Iraqi people were not my enemy. Now a vast number of them are. That should tell you something about this war, and what it will mean for the future safety of America.

Cycloptichorn

It's also important to remeber that before the war a huge majority of Iraqi's were basically slaves to a dictator and had almost no freedoms. Now a vast majority of them have the freedom to hate someone without fear of an agent of Saddam killing them and their family. That should tell you something about this war.

You are correct, we have given them the freedom to hate something, allright. But it doesn't seem to occur to you that many of them hate the US.

Yeah, you're right, things are better for them now that they don't have to worry about being killed by Saddam. Now they only have to deal with terrorists, sunni insurgents, Shiite death squads, American bombs and soldiers, legions of criminals and theives, and barely any power or water to speak of. Why, we've delivered these people into paradise early, don't you agree?

Cycloptichorn

It's also important to remeber that before the war a huge majority of Iraqi's were basically slaves to a dictator and had almost no freedoms. Now a vast majority of them have the freedom to hate someone without fear of an agent of Saddam killing them and their family. That should tell you something about this war.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think it is important to remember that before the war happened, the Iraqi people were not my enemy. Now a vast number of them are. That should tell you something about this war, and what it will mean for the future safety of America.

Cycloptichorn

It's also important to remeber that before the war a huge majority of Iraqi's were basically slaves to a dictator and had almost no freedoms. Now a vast majority of them have the freedom to hate someone without fear of an agent of Saddam killing them and their family. That should tell you something about this war.

You are correct, we have given them the freedom to hate something, allright. But it doesn't seem to occur to you that many of them hate the US.

Yeah, you're right, things are better for them now that they don't have to worry about being killed by Saddam. Now they only have to deal with terrorists, sunni insurgents, Shiite death squads, American bombs and soldiers, legions of criminals and theives, and barely any power or water to speak of. Why, we've delivered these people into paradise early, don't you agree?

Cycloptichorn

Nope. I believe we gave them a chance to become a civilised country and they have instead chosen to remain a tribal society with each tribe vying for whatever power they can take. The US did not create the terrorists, the US did not create the death squads, the US did not create the militias, the US is not kidnapping and torturing and killing people of different tribes.

They cut their own power, they destroy their own sanitation plants, they hurt themselves. That's the freedom we gave them. If they aren't smart or wise enough to take advantage of those freedoms then they sow the seeds they plant.

The US must remain and act as a guide to bring the barbarians to the table and teach them to use forks instead of their hands.

Also, how do you intend to teach the barbarians to 'use forks?' With guns and bombs? There is no plan for doing this, at all. So it is difficult to see how this venture will end in anything other than catastrophic failure.

Cycloptichorn

Personal responsibility? Tell that to the ones that have continuously called for "cut & run" or continuously whine about how we never should have gone in.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, how do you intend to teach the barbarians to 'use forks?' With guns and bombs? There is no plan for doing this, at all. So it is difficult to see how this venture will end in anything other than catastrophic failure.

Cycloptichorn

Of course you see nothing but failure. You're a liberal and failure is all too common for you.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, how do you intend to teach the barbarians to 'use forks?' With guns and bombs? There is no plan for doing this, at all. So it is difficult to see how this venture will end in anything other than catastrophic failure.

Cycloptichorn

Of course you see nothing but failure. You're a liberal and failure is all too common for you.

The US must remain and act as a guide to bring the barbarians to the table and teach them to use forks instead of their hands.

Personal responsibility? Tell that to the ones that have continuously called for "cut & run" or continuously whine about how we never should have gone in.

McGentrix wrote:

Personal responsibility? Tell that to the ones that have continuously called for "cut & run" or continuously whine about how we never should have gone in.

Stay the course?

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I hear today that Mr Limbaugh has criticised Michael J Fox for not being sick enough, for exaggerating his terminal disability.

You guys are all heart, aren't you?

ican711nm
Have you ever heard of cause and effect. Bush's uncalled for and unjusrtified attack setoff this wave of killings. If not Bush who than should we blame for this months 91 American dead in Iraq. .

McTag wrote:

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I hear today that Mr Limbaugh has criticised Michael J Fox for not being sick enough, for exaggerating his terminal disability.

You guys are all heart, aren't you?

This is more of your pseudology.

I heard the first two Limbaugh shows in which Limbaugh commented on Michael J Fox's participation in a pro-cloning TV advertisement. However, the ad is described by Democrat pseudologist's as a pro stem cell research ad.

Limbaugh speculated that Fox appeared in that ad without taking his medication. In the ad Fox exhibited severe body tremors.

The pseudologizing Democrats are claiming Republicans oppose stem cell research, because they oppose cloning and because they oppose research based on stem cells removed from fetuses.

Republicans have actively supported and do support stem cell research based on stem cells donated by born people. They passed a bill supporting this research.

Democrats are all pseudologists aren't they?

McTag wrote:

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I hear today that Mr Limbaugh has criticised Michael J Fox for not being sick enough, for exaggerating his terminal disability.

You guys are all heart, aren't you?

This is more of your pseudology.

I heard the first two Limbaugh shows in which Limbaugh commented on Michael J Fox's participation in a pro-cloning TV advertisement. However, the ad is described by Democrat pseudologist's as a pro stem cell research ad.

Limbaugh speculated that Fox appeared in that ad without taking his medication. In the ad Fox exhibited severe body tremors.

The pseudologizing Democrats are claiming Republicans oppose stem cell research, because they oppose cloning and because they oppose research based on stem cells removed from fetuses.

Republicans have actively supported and do support stem cell research based on stem cells donated by born people. They passed a bill supporting this research.

Democrats are all pseudologists aren't they?

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Somehow you neglected to note that the general consensus is that fetal stem cell holds more promise than adult ones. And that is what the Bush administration will not fund.
I should note that the the American public is overwhelming in facvor of embryonic stem cell research. A fact that the religious punk in the Whitehouse chooses to ignore.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think it is important to remember that before the war happened, the Iraqi people were not my enemy. Now a vast number of them are. That should tell you something about this war, and what it will mean for the future safety of America.

Cycloptichorn

It's also important to remeber that before the war a huge majority of Iraqi's were basically slaves to a dictator and had almost no freedoms. Now a vast majority of them have the freedom to hate someone without fear of an agent of Saddam killing them and their family. That should tell you something about this war.