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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 05:26 am
Violence in Iraq escalates again

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TONY EASTLEY: It's been a deadly weekend of sectarian killings in Iraq's capital, Baghdad. At least 40 people were gunned down by Shia militants in a Sunni district of the city and a short time later, at least 25 people died when two car bombs exploded near a Shia mosque in the capital.

Andrew Geoghegan reports.

(sound of car honking)

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Sunday morning in Baghdad and Shia militiamen enter the Sunni district of al-Jihad and set up road blocks.

(sounds of voices)

Drivers are pulled from their cars and their identity cards inspected. Those that are identified as Sunni Muslims are taken away and shot dead. The militiamen then raid Sunni homes, killing everybody inside.

That's the way Baghdad police describe the bloodiest incident of sectarian violence seen in Baghdad.

Residents of the city say people are being killed because of their ethnicity.

(sound of resident panicking)

SHI'ITE WOMAN (translated): I had a call from the militia in Al-Jihad. Yesterday, a Shi'ite mosque and today, whoever was a Sunni was dragged out of his car and killed. They called me and asked if my husband was a Jabouri and I said yes, he is a Jabouri, but we are Shi'ites. They said they did not believe us. I called after a while and they said you would find your husband's body at the morgue.

Is this how it should be? Is this Islam? Are we Sunnis and Shi'ites?

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Police say at least 40 people died in the attacks, among them, women and children. And they blame militia aligned to the radical Shi'ite cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr.

However, a Shi'ite spokesman has said the militia were only taking on Sunni militants responsible for killing Shi'ites.

At least three people were killed on Saturday when a car bomb exploded at a nearby Shia mosque.

Moqtada al-Sadr has appealed for calm following the shootings, but Iraq's Ambassador to the United States, Samir Al-Sumaidaie, is alarmed at the wave of sectarian killings now engulfing many parts of Iraq.

SAMIR AL-SUMAIDAIE: In the last few days we had bombs set off in al-Sadr city the city, which killed dozens and dozens of people and that was targeted against Shi'ites. So we will have this sectarian violence no doubt continue for a while.

The important thing is really to enable the Government to control the situation and the Government now is a national unity Government. It has the right policies to declare that it must disband militias and the atrocities of today were obviously perpetrated by a militia.

I think the Americans and the international community and of course all responsible Iraqis must help this Government, must enable this Government to execute its policy of disbanding militia.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Just hours after the shootings, Baghdad's northern Kasra district was rocked by a double car bomb attack in a market place near the local Shia mosque. It left at least 25 people dead.

Meanwhile, four US soldiers have now been charged with rape and murder over an attack on an Iraqi woman who was killed along with her family last March. It's one of five investigations in which US troops are accused of murdering Iraqi civilians.


Way to go Bush
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 06:42 am
revel wrote:
Violence in Iraq escalates again

Quote:
TONY EASTLEY: It's been a deadly weekend of sectarian killings in Iraq's capital, Baghdad. At least 40 people were gunned down by Shia militants in a Sunni district of the city and a short time later, at least 25 people died when two car bombs exploded near a Shia mosque in the capital.

Andrew Geoghegan reports.

(sound of car honking)

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Sunday morning in Baghdad and Shia militiamen enter the Sunni district of al-Jihad and set up road blocks.

(sounds of voices)

Drivers are pulled from their cars and their identity cards inspected. Those that are identified as Sunni Muslims are taken away and shot dead. The militiamen then raid Sunni homes, killing everybody inside.

That's the way Baghdad police describe the bloodiest incident of sectarian violence seen in Baghdad.

Residents of the city say people are being killed because of their ethnicity.

(sound of resident panicking)

SHI'ITE WOMAN (translated): I had a call from the militia in Al-Jihad. Yesterday, a Shi'ite mosque and today, whoever was a Sunni was dragged out of his car and killed. They called me and asked if my husband was a Jabouri and I said yes, he is a Jabouri, but we are Shi'ites. They said they did not believe us. I called after a while and they said you would find your husband's body at the morgue.

Is this how it should be? Is this Islam? Are we Sunnis and Shi'ites?

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Police say at least 40 people died in the attacks, among them, women and children. And they blame militia aligned to the radical Shi'ite cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr.

However, a Shi'ite spokesman has said the militia were only taking on Sunni militants responsible for killing Shi'ites.

At least three people were killed on Saturday when a car bomb exploded at a nearby Shia mosque.

Moqtada al-Sadr has appealed for calm following the shootings, but Iraq's Ambassador to the United States, Samir Al-Sumaidaie, is alarmed at the wave of sectarian killings now engulfing many parts of Iraq.

SAMIR AL-SUMAIDAIE: In the last few days we had bombs set off in al-Sadr city the city, which killed dozens and dozens of people and that was targeted against Shi'ites. So we will have this sectarian violence no doubt continue for a while.

The important thing is really to enable the Government to control the situation and the Government now is a national unity Government. It has the right policies to declare that it must disband militias and the atrocities of today were obviously perpetrated by a militia.

I think the Americans and the international community and of course all responsible Iraqis must help this Government, must enable this Government to execute its policy of disbanding militia.

ANDREW GEOGHEGAN: Just hours after the shootings, Baghdad's northern Kasra district was rocked by a double car bomb attack in a market place near the local Shia mosque. It left at least 25 people dead.

Meanwhile, four US soldiers have now been charged with rape and murder over an attack on an Iraqi woman who was killed along with her family last March. It's one of five investigations in which US troops are accused of murdering Iraqi civilians.


Way to go Bush


"Way to go Bush"?

How quaint.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 07:03 am
Thanks
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 08:36 am
Could Bush Be Prosecuted for War Crimes?

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The extent to which American exceptionalism is embedded in the national psyche is awesome to behold.

While the United States is a country like any other, its citizens no more special than any others on the planet, Americans still react with amazed surprise at the suggestion that their country could be held responsible for something as heinous as a war crime.

From the massacre of more than 100,000 people in the Philippines to the first nuclear attack ever at Hiroshima to the unprovoked invasion of Baghdad, U.S.-sponsored violence doesn't feel as wrong and worthy of prosecution in internationally sanctioned criminal courts as the gory, bload-soaked atrocities of Congo, Darfur, Rwanda, and most certainly not the Nazis -- most certainly not. Howard Zinn recently described this as our "inability to think outside the boundaries of nationalism. We are penned in by the arrogant idea that this country is the center of the universe, exceptionally virtuous, admirable, superior."

Most Americans firmly believe there is nothing the United States or its political leadership could possibly do that could equate to the crimes of Hitler's Third Reich. The Nazis are our "gold standard of evil," as author John Dolan once put it.

But the truth is that we can, and we have -- most recently and significantly in Iraq. Perhaps no person on the planet is better equipped to identify and describe our crimes in Iraq than Benjamin Ferenccz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg Trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating death squads that killed more than one million people in the famous Einsatzgruppen Case. Ferencz, now 87, has gone on to become a founding father of the basis behind international law regarding war crimes, and his essays and legal work drawing from the Nuremberg trials and later the commission that established the International Criminal Court remain a lasting influence in that realm.

Ferencz's biggest contribution to the war crimes field is his assertion that an unprovoked or "aggressive" war is the highest crime against mankind. It was the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 that made possible the horrors of Abu Ghraib, the destruction of Fallouja and Ramadi, the tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, civilian massacres like Haditha, and on and on. Ferencz believes that a "prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity, that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation."

Interviewed from his home in New York, Ferencz laid out a simple summary of the case:

"The United Nations charter has a provision which was agreed to by the United States formulated by the United States in fact, after World War II. Its says that from now on, no nation can use armed force without the permission of the U.N. Security Council. They can use force in connection with self-defense, but a country can't use force in anticipation of self-defense. Regarding Iraq, the last Security Council resolution essentially said, 'Look, send the weapons inspectors out to Iraq, have them come back and tell us what they've found -- then we'll figure out what we're going to do. The U.S. was impatient, and decided to invade Iraq -- which was all pre-arranged of course. So, the United States went to war, in violation of the charter."

It's that simple. Ferencz called the invasion a "clear breach of law," and dismissed the Bush administration's legal defense that previous U.N. Security Council resolutions dating back to the first Gulf War justified an invasion in 2003. Ferencz notes that the first Bush president believed that the United States didn't have a U.N. mandate to go into Iraq and take out Saddam Hussein; that authorization was simply to eject Hussein from Kuwait. Ferencz asked, "So how do we get authorization more than a decade later to finish the job? The arguments made to defend this are not persuasive."

Writing for the United Kingdom's Guardian, shortly before the 2003 invasion, international law expert Mark Littman echoed Ferencz: "The threatened war against Iraq will be a breach of the United Nations Charter and hence of international law unless it is authorized by a new and unambiguous resolution of the Security Council. The Charter is clear. No such war is permitted unless it is in self-defense or authorized by the Security Council."

Challenges to the legality of this war can also be found at the ground level. First Lt. Ehren Watada, the first U.S. commissioned officer to refuse to serve in Iraq, cites the rules of the U.N. Charter as a principle reason for his dissent.

Ferencz isn't using the invasion of Iraq as a convenient prop to exercise his longstanding American hatred: he has a decades-old paper trail of calls for every suspect of war crimes to be brought to international justice. When the United States captured Saddam Hussein in December 2003, Ferencz wrote that Hussein's offenses included "the supreme international crime of aggression, to a wide variety of crimes against humanity, and a long list of atrocities condemned by both international and national laws."

Ferencz isn't the first to make the suggestion that the United States has committed state-sponsored war crimes against another nation -- not only have leading war critics made this argument, but so had legal experts in the British government before the 2003 invasion. In a short essay in 2005, Ferencz lays out the inner deliberations of British and American officials as the preparations for the war were made:


U.K. military leaders had been calling for clear assurances that the war was legal under international law. They were very mindful that the treaty creating a new International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague had entered into force on July 1, 2002, with full support of the British government. Gen. Sir Mike Jackson, chief of the defense staff, was quoted as saying "I spent a good deal of time recently in the Balkans making sure Milosevic was put behind bars. I have no intention of ending up in the next cell to him in The Hague."

Ferencz quotes the British deputy legal adviser to the Foreign Ministry who, in the lead-up to the invasion, quit abruptly and wrote in her resignation letter: "I regret that I cannot agree that it is lawful to use force against Iraq without a second Security Council resolution … [A]n unlawful use of force on such a scale amounts to the crime of aggression; nor can I agree with such action in circumstances that are so detrimental to the international order and the rule of law."

While the United Kingdom is a signatory of the ICC, and therefore under jurisdiction of that court, the United States is not, thanks to a Republican majority in Congress that has "attacks on America's sovereignty" and "manipulation by the United Nations" in its pantheon of knee-jerk neuroses. Ferencz concedes that even though Britain and its leadership could be prosecuted, the international legal climate isn't at a place where justice is blind enough to try it -- or as Ferencz put it, humanity isn't yet "civilized enough to prevent this type of illegal behavior." And Ferencz said that while he believes the United States is guilty of war crimes, "the international community is not sufficiently organized to prosecute such a case. … There is no court at the moment that is competent to try that crime."

As Ferencz said, the world is still a long way away from establishing norms that put all nations under the rule of law, but the battle to do so is a worthy one: "There's no such thing as a war without atrocities, but war-making is the biggest atrocity of all."

The suggestion that the Bush administration's conduct in the "war on terror" amounts to a string of war crimes and human rights abuses is gaining credence in even the most ossified establishment circles of Washington. Justice Anthony Kennedy's opinion in the recent Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruling by the Supreme Court suggests that Bush's attempt to ignore the Geneva Conventions in his approved treatment of terror suspects may leave him open to prosecution for war crimes. As Sidney Blumenthal points out, the court rejected Bush's attempt to ignore Common Article 3, which bans "cruel treatment and torture [and] outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment."

And since Congress enacted the Geneva Conventions, making them the law of the United States, any violations that Bush or any other American commits "are considered 'war crimes' punishable as federal offenses," as Justice Kennedy wrote.

George W. Bush in the dock facing a charge of war crimes? That's well beyond the scope of possibility … or is it?

Jan Frel is an AlterNet staff writer.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 08:46 am
The question is why did Bush eject the weapons inspectors from Iraq so he could invade the country. If he tried to use all possible means to prevent war, as he claimed, there would be no reason to eject the weapons inspectors. However if the weapon inspectors were undermining Bush's reason to invade Iraq then he had to get them out of there in a hurry. It should have been evident, even at that time, that Iraq was of no imminent threat to anyone that the weapon inspectors had to be ejected and the invasion initiated.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 08:48 am
xingu wrote:
The question is why did Bush eject the weapons inspectors from Iraq so he could invade the country. If he tried to use all possible means to prevent war, as he claimed, there would be no reason to eject the weapons inspectors. However if the weapon inspectors were undermining Bush's reason to invade Iraq then he had to get them out of there in a hurry. It should have been evident, even at that time, that Iraq was of no imminent threat to anyone that the weapon inspectors had to be ejected and the invasion initiated.


They had 12 years to inspect and were asked to leave because Saddam chose to go to war instead of surrendering. Better to have them leave rather then being killed during the invasion or used as hostages by Saddam.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 09:16 am
McGentrix wrote:
xingu wrote:
The question is why did Bush eject the weapons inspectors from Iraq so he could invade the country. If he tried to use all possible means to prevent war, as he claimed, there would be no reason to eject the weapons inspectors. However if the weapon inspectors were undermining Bush's reason to invade Iraq then he had to get them out of there in a hurry. It should have been evident, even at that time, that Iraq was of no imminent threat to anyone that the weapon inspectors had to be ejected and the invasion initiated.


They had 12 years to inspect and were asked to leave because Saddam chose to go to war instead of surrendering. Better to have them leave rather then being killed during the invasion or used as hostages by Saddam.


You know a lot better than that, or you should do.

Saddam was carefully manoevred towards war, sorry, suffering an invasion. The USA did not want anything less, and so they arranged it that way.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 11:10 am
McG et al continues to miss some important facts as outlined by xingu, but that's to be expected from neoconservatives that challenges common sense and logic.

If they attempted such arguments on any other topic, they'd be laughed out as mentally incompetent.

FACT 1: We had weapon inspectors in Iraq
FACT 2: Saddam allowed them to inspect previously restricted areas
FACT 3: Bush said "war is the last resort"
FACT 4: Bush chased out the weapon's inspectors
FACT 5: Bush started the war.
FACT 6: Terrorism around the world increased since 9-11
FACT 7: Iraq is on the brink of civil war
FACT 8: Bush never planned any exit strategy - total incompetence
FACT 9: It's cost over 2,500 of our military lives, and over 16,000 injured
FACT 10: There's no solution in sight for Iraq or for terrorism

Neocons continue to argue the ridiculous; Saddam's WMDs were a threat, to remove the tyrant Saddam, and finally to bring democracy to the Middle East.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 11:21 am
McTag wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
xingu wrote:
The question is why did Bush eject the weapons inspectors from Iraq so he could invade the country. If he tried to use all possible means to prevent war, as he claimed, there would be no reason to eject the weapons inspectors. However if the weapon inspectors were undermining Bush's reason to invade Iraq then he had to get them out of there in a hurry. It should have been evident, even at that time, that Iraq was of no imminent threat to anyone that the weapon inspectors had to be ejected and the invasion initiated.


They had 12 years to inspect and were asked to leave because Saddam chose to go to war instead of surrendering. Better to have them leave rather then being killed during the invasion or used as hostages by Saddam.


You know a lot better than that, or you should do.

Saddam was carefully manoevred towards war, sorry, suffering an invasion. The USA did not want anything less, and so they arranged it that way.


From March 17, 2003 address to the Nation, Bush said:

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In recent days, some governments in the Middle East have been doing their part. They have delivered public and private messages urging the dictator to leave Iraq, so that disarmament can proceed peacefully. He has thus far refused. All the decades of deceit and cruelty have now reached an end. Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing. For their own safety, all foreign nationals -- including journalists and inspectors -- should leave Iraq immediately.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:11 pm
McG wrote:

From March 17, 2003 address to the Nation, Bush said:

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In recent days, some governments in the Middle East have been doing their part. They have delivered public and private messages urging the dictator to leave Iraq, so that disarmament can proceed peacefully. He has thus far refused. All the decades of deceit and cruelty have now reached an end. Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing. For their own safety, all foreign nationals -- including journalists and inspectors -- should leave Iraq immediately.



Let me get this straight: Bush was justified in attacking Iraq because he wanted Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq that has eventually cost over 2,400 of our soldiers lives, over 16,000 wounded/injured, some 50,000 innocent Iraqis killed, and now costing the US taxpayers over two billion every week.

That's justice?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:31 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McG wrote:

From March 17, 2003 address to the Nation, Bush said:

Quote:
In recent days, some governments in the Middle East have been doing their part. They have delivered public and private messages urging the dictator to leave Iraq, so that disarmament can proceed peacefully. He has thus far refused. All the decades of deceit and cruelty have now reached an end. Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing. For their own safety, all foreign nationals -- including journalists and inspectors -- should leave Iraq immediately.



Let me get this straight: Bush was justified in attacking Iraq because he wanted Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq that has eventually cost over 2,400 of our soldiers lives, over 16,000 wounded/injured, some 50,000 innocent Iraqis killed, and now costing the US taxpayers over two billion every week.

That's justice?


No, Bush gave Saddam a way out, despite what so many think. The war could have been avoided but Saddam decided to test American resolve.

Did you just copy and paste it or did you read what Bush said?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:39 pm
McG, As always, you're missing the main point: Bush was justified in threatening Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq, and if they didn't, it was okay to get 2,500 of our soldiers killed, over 16,000 injured, and costing us over two billion every week -with no end in sight.


You're a moron like Bush.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McG, As always, you're missing the main point: Bush was justified in threatening Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq, and if they didn't, it was okay to get 2,500 of our soldiers killed, over 16,000 injured, and costing us over two billion every week -with no end in sight.


You're a moron like Bush.


You call me a moron, yet daily you prove yourself to be nothing more then an uneducated regurgitator of stupidity. You demonatrate no grasp of politics, and seem to have the retention power of a goldfish when it comes to understanding anything.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 12:59 pm
I'll continue to challenge your posts and the moronic assumptions made by you and your cohorts. As the saying goes, there's no cure for stupid.

Go back to school and study logic, humanity, and consistency.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 01:15 pm
"...you prove yourself to be nothing more then an uneducated regurgitator of stupidity."

Okay, show this to us. Prove by example and documentation.

"You demonatrate no grasp of politics,.."

Are you talking about the politics of personal destruction of the conservative party?


"...and seem to have the retention power of a goldfish when it comes to understanding anything."

You've been drowning in "water" much longer than liberals who are concerned about humanity vs money. The conservatives are destroying the rights guranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights by applying their religious beliefs of equal rights for gays and lesbians, free speech, and scientific research on stem cell.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 01:42 pm
Here's what Bush said:
Bush's Claim
Reality
What Bush said:
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:

- Sarin gas

- Mustard gas

- VX Nerve agent

Not True

Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq

What Bush said:
"U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people


Not True

Zero Munitions Found
Not a single chemical weapon's munition has been found anywhere in Iraq

What Bush said:
"We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world

Not True

Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq

What Bush said:
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda

And implied that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11


Not True
Zero Al Qaeda Connection

To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)

What Bush said:

"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq has attempted to purchase metal tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production

Not True

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as well as dozens of leading scientists declared said tubes unsuitable for nuclear weapons production -- months before the war.


What Bush said:
"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."

Bush speech to the nation - 10/7/2002
Iraq is rebuilding nuclear facilities at former sites.


Not True

Two months of inspections at these former Iraqi nuclear sites found zero evidence of prohibited nuclear activities there

IAEA report to UN Security Council - 1/27/2003

What Bush said:
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Iraq recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa


Not True
The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.

What Cheney said:
"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

VP Dick Cheney - "Meet the Press" 3/16/2003
Iraq has Nuclear Weapons for a fact

Not True

"The IAEA had found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq."

IAEA report to UN Security Council - 3/7/2003


What Bush said:
"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."

Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003
Iraq's Saddam Hussein refused to allow UN inspectors into Iraq

Not True

UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 01:44 pm
McG, In your world, how many "not trues" translates into a lie?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 01:44 pm
And you needed proof of your uneducated regurgitation of stupidty? Thanks for sharing.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 01:50 pm
Taranslation: They weren't lies, because Bush believed what he was saying.


...and so it goes

C'mon CI - you know these jokers 'wagons are circled for life!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jul, 2006 01:59 pm
Actually, the translation is not required. C.I. has simply regurgitated more stupidity. That Snood approves of it is no surprise. All of C.I.'s "lies" have been countered more then once on these boards, but hid goldfish like brain just can seem to realize that.
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