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O'Reilly - "Very Secret Plan to Diminish Christianity"

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:17 pm
I knew that.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:43 pm
Yeah. I take it as my role in life to validate people's knowledge by reiterating it over and over.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:46 pm
I didnt know about etruscan flush loos thanks Blatham
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:47 pm
seems somehow redundant, or does it?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:47 pm
You do well, Blatham.....


Well done, oh thou goood and faithful servant.....you know you ain't sposed to bury talents.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 04:07 pm
blatham wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Can't be, that last guy he looks like . . . i don't know . . . a Jew or sumpin' . . .


Yeah, I know. This reconstruction of what jesus probably would have looked like (being a semite) would likely be a tad disconcerting to a lot of christian kids from Kansas. It's a face far closer to, say, al Zarqawy or any of those folks you might find in Abu Ghraib (the unswollen faces there, that is) than to the portrayals found in the books and posters lovingly cherished by the End Times set. But there is NOTHING racist going on here at all.


What utter tripe.

Are Chinese Buddhas examples of racism?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 04:20 pm
well, there is that eye thing and the big fat bellies.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 04:25 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
blatham wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Can't be, that last guy he looks like . . . i don't know . . . a Jew or sumpin' . . .


Yeah, I know. This reconstruction of what jesus probably would have looked like (being a semite) would likely be a tad disconcerting to a lot of christian kids from Kansas. It's a face far closer to, say, al Zarqawy or any of those folks you might find in Abu Ghraib (the unswollen faces there, that is) than to the portrayals found in the books and posters lovingly cherished by the End Times set. But there is NOTHING racist going on here at all.


What utter tripe.

Are Chinese Buddhas examples of racism?


hi finnerman

Quite possibly so. I guess you are suggesting that traditional representations of icons become ingrained in a culture and that if one pushed for historical accuracy but got lots of resistance for that project, then it isn't racism so much as tradition you bump into. That's valid.

But it doubt that is all that is in play here. Imagine a set of optional jesus illustrations, one where he is blonde, another with freckles and red hair, and a third where he looks chinese. Which would be less agreeable to a majority of folks from the west and why?

A very illuminating exercise involves going through the historical representations of Satan. He's a jew.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 04:40 pm
Many years ago I represented a defendant charged with the attempted petty theft of a "black Jesus" from a store.

Yes, this was in Kansas.

Imagine that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 04:41 pm
I still have gotten no answer on what progress we are making on diminishing christianity . . . you know, i'm not going to keep this up if it's doing no good . . .
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yitwail
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 05:11 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Many years ago I represented a defendant charged with the attempted petty theft of a "black Jesus" from a store.

Yes, this was in Kansas.

Imagine that.


since there have been many Black Madonnas, a black Jesus shouldn't be altogether unexpected.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/Our_Lady_of_Czestochowa.jpg
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 06:03 pm
blatham wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
blatham wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Can't be, that last guy he looks like . . . i don't know . . . a Jew or sumpin' . . .


Yeah, I know. This reconstruction of what jesus probably would have looked like (being a semite) would likely be a tad disconcerting to a lot of christian kids from Kansas. It's a face far closer to, say, al Zarqawy or any of those folks you might find in Abu Ghraib (the unswollen faces there, that is) than to the portrayals found in the books and posters lovingly cherished by the End Times set. But there is NOTHING racist going on here at all.


What utter tripe.

Are Chinese Buddhas examples of racism?


hi finnerman

Quite possibly so. I guess you are suggesting that traditional representations of icons become ingrained in a culture and that if one pushed for historical accuracy but got lots of resistance for that project, then it isn't racism so much as tradition you bump into. That's valid.

But it doubt that is all that is in play here. Imagine a set of optional jesus illustrations, one where he is blonde, another with freckles and red hair, and a third where he looks chinese. Which would be less agreeable to a majority of folks from the west and why?

A very illuminating exercise involves going through the historical representations of Satan. He's a jew.


It is not a question of which would be less agreeable, but which would be more agreeable.

While it may reveal a disregard for historical accuracy, the desire or tendency to represent historical figures (and particularly religious ones) much as the people doing the representation does not reveal racism.

The chinese depicted Buddha as chinese not because they despised Indians, but because they were chinese and chinese was what they knew.

As for Satan, I always thought he looked like a dago, not a jew.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 06:12 pm
fad wrote : "As for Satan, I always thought he looked like a dago, not a jew. "

since a/t the american heritage dictionary "dago" comes from the latin "iacbus" (jacob). i guess fad wouldn't like anyone with the name of "jacob" as a friend or neighbour. hbg
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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

dago

SYLLABICATION: da·go
PRONUNCIATION: dg
VARIANT FORMS: also Da·go
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. da·gos or da·goes
Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for an Italian, Spaniard, or Portuguese.
ETYMOLOGY: Alteration of Spanish Diego, a given name, from Latin Iacbus, Jacob
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 06:17 pm
hamburger wrote:
fad wrote : "As for Satan, I always thought he looked like a dago, not a jew. "

since a/t the american heritage dictionary "dago" comes from the latin "iacbus" (jacob). i guess fad wouldn't like anyone with the name of "jacob" as a friend or neighbour. hbg
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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

dago

SYLLABICATION: da·go
PRONUNCIATION: dg
VARIANT FORMS: also Da·go
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. da·gos or da·goes
Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for an Italian, Spaniard, or Portuguese.
ETYMOLOGY: Alteration of Spanish Diego, a given name, from Latin Iacbus, Jacob


I guess you don't have a sense of humor.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 06:19 pm
not if my name was jacob

(but since my name isn't dago, what the heck ... )
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 06:43 pm
finn

Perhaps you have a definition of racism which does not mean preference for one's own and discomfort with the other.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 07:05 pm
Isn't that xenophobia?

I think them subtly different.

Or same-ophilia...whatever the heck that is in Latin or Greek rootish.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 07:55 pm
Bigotry works fine for that definition . . .
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chichan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 08:02 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Jack Frost roasting on an open fire,
Chest nuts nipping at your nose.



Or something like that.


DrewDad,

It's actually,

Chest nuts peeking at the centerfolds.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 08:03 pm
deb

I've tried to think through whether there is any real or important difference between the two and what that difference might be.

Racism has its own special meaning (perceiving racial difference within a superior/inferior framework) and there's clearly a history of that sort of thinking. So perhaps there is some utility in isolating it.

But it seems to be driven by precisely the same human tendencies that we see in any species of xenophobia.

How do you figure this stuff?
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