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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:24 pm
Lash wrote:
That direct insult is against TOS. I'd rather respond in kind, but I've decided to let you edit.


According to Setanta, that's not a personal attack ... he's just displaying his scorn for your POV.

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You've got about ten minutes.


Can't edit anymore, Lash.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:24 pm
Oh, dear.

Shall I go and compile a list of "rules of war" that aren't, anymore? Don't be absurd.
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Stevepax
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:26 pm
Lash wrote:
1. A contest between nations or states, carried on by force, whether for defence, for revenging insults and redressing wrongs, for the extension of commerce, for the acquisition of territory, for obtaining and establishing the superiority and dominion of one over the other, or for any other purpose; armed conflict of sovereign powers; declared and open hostilities.
Men will ever distinguish war from mere bloodshed.


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I have never denied the bit of realpolitik that assisted OBL. It didn't create him, nor would things likely be different now in the absence of that money-- It's just a little embarrassing. Doesn't change anything.

It was a good idea at the time, so many thought. What would your response to Iran be during that time? Hindsight, you know.

That Jimmy Carter. He didn't do anything right.


Your effort to give Jimmy all the credit is laudable, however, as you so accurately state, it was 1979. Jimmy was soon defeated, and the Reagan/Bush administrations picked up the ball and ran with it for the next 11 years.

We didn't assist OBL, we made him. He was a CIA asset for years, at least, until he turned and bit the hand that created him. It was only after our first immoral war in Iraq that he became an ememy. Bush and the bin Ladens have been kissing cousins for many years, cooperating in business deals and nation building.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:27 pm
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Lash wrote:
Are you still oin high school? War is war, of course, what liberal can understand that?

Picking on civilians and declared war are not synonymous.

They'll never get it.

We get that you're either confused or lazy. Either would adequately explain your posts on this board.


More likely frustrated by the nonsense spewed forth in this and so many threads like it. There is no sense in trying to make a cogent argument anymore because one is more likely to get a series of single lines commenting on the poster, a mis-spelled word, or some other tangential comment having nothing to do with what a person has posted.

It's SOP amongst the 7 or 8 "liberal" posters that seem to rotate duty within the politics forum. Being purposefully dense, and I believe many of you are, is no way to act if you wish to actually discuss a topic rather than spout off about how much you hate Bush and how evil America is.

Am I spewing hate? Sorry, I thought I was ridiculing an absurd comment.

And are you forwarding a conversation, or spewing hate? Certainly not the former.
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Stevepax
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:27 pm
Lash wrote:
That direct insult is against TOS. I'd rather respond in kind, but I've decided to let you edit.

You've got about ten minutes.

War is symmetrical, nation against nation. There are rules for it. Terrorism is not war, and war is not terrorism. Hence the two words, and the two completely different conflicts.


What about YOUR direct insult Lash?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:28 pm
oh come on people
stop the yah boo
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Stevepax
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:29 pm
Lash wrote:
We declared war.


"Congress" never declared war, Bush did. It's not the same.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:30 pm
Lash wrote:
We declared war.

I'll give you a lollipop if you can tell me the last time the United States declared war.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:33 pm
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Lash wrote:
Are you still oin high school? War is war, of course, what liberal can understand that?

Picking on civilians and declared war are not synonymous.

They'll never get it.

We get that you're either confused or lazy. Either would adequately explain your posts on this board.


More likely frustrated by the nonsense spewed forth in this and so many threads like it. There is no sense in trying to make a cogent argument anymore because one is more likely to get a series of single lines commenting on the poster, a mis-spelled word, or some other tangential comment having nothing to do with what a person has posted.

It's SOP amongst the 7 or 8 "liberal" posters that seem to rotate duty within the politics forum. Being purposefully dense, and I believe many of you are, is no way to act if you wish to actually discuss a topic rather than spout off about how much you hate Bush and how evil America is.

Am I spewing hate? Sorry, I thought I was ridiculing an absurd comment.

And are you forwarding a conversation, or spewing hate? Certainly not the former.


No, you are one that spews forth mouthfuls of nonsense. It's like vomitus on the monitor. Dripping thick with bile and nasty like chunks of unidentifiable matter. There is no sense in trying to hold a conversation with you because you have proven time and again that you are not up to it.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 03:48 pm
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Lash wrote:
Are you still oin high school? War is war, of course, what liberal can understand that?

Picking on civilians and declared war are not synonymous.

They'll never get it.

We get that you're either confused or lazy. Either would adequately explain your posts on this board.


More likely frustrated by the nonsense spewed forth in this and so many threads like it. There is no sense in trying to make a cogent argument anymore because one is more likely to get a series of single lines commenting on the poster, a mis-spelled word, or some other tangential comment having nothing to do with what a person has posted.

It's SOP amongst the 7 or 8 "liberal" posters that seem to rotate duty within the politics forum. Being purposefully dense, and I believe many of you are, is no way to act if you wish to actually discuss a topic rather than spout off about how much you hate Bush and how evil America is.

Am I spewing hate? Sorry, I thought I was ridiculing an absurd comment.

And are you forwarding a conversation, or spewing hate? Certainly not the former.


No, you are one that spews forth mouthfuls of nonsense. It's like vomitus on the monitor. Dripping thick with bile and nasty like chunks of unidentifiable matter. There is no sense in trying to hold a conversation with you because you have proven time and again that you are not up to it.

Did I hurt your feelings, McG? And here I thought you were a big boy.

Actually, I tend to make fun of nonsense. But I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation.

When you stop mouthing nonsense, then I'll stop making fun of you. Deal?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 04:04 pm
That's pretty pathetic, Tico . . . an attempt to laterally drag someone else into the childish mud slinging? But then, childishness characterizes your posting style, as well as the use of a patent lie--which that comment was.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 05:22 pm
Setanta wrote:
That's pretty pathetic, Tico . . . an attempt to laterally drag someone else into the childish mud slinging? But then, childishness characterizes your posting style, as well as the use of a patent lie--which that comment was.


I wasn't slinging any mud, Set, you were. But in response to my charge that you were being personally insulting, you said you were only demonstrating your "scorn for the idiocy you peddle," referring to me. Thus, in the post with which you now claim offense, I merely advised Lash that according to you, DD was only displaying his "scorn" for her POV. How can you possibly construe that as trying to get someone else (Lash?) to sling mud? Or are you just embarrassed at your prior silly comment, and are upset that I repeated it for Lash?

And you have falsely accused me of lying so many times, I'm not even going to ask what the hell you're talking about. I'll just chalk it up as another frenzied fantasy of yours. Accusing others of lying appears to be one of your hobbies.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 05:23 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
... Accusing others of lying appears to be one of your hobbies.


And, yes, I fully expect you to accuse me of lying for having said this.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 06:16 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
I wasn't slinging any mud, Set, you were.


Yeah, and everybody in the holding cell down at the county courthouse is innocent, too.

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But in response to my charge that you were being personally insulting, you said you were only demonstrating your "scorn for the idiocy you peddle," referring to me. Thus, in the post with which you now claim offense, I merely advised Lash that according to you, DD was only displaying his "scorn" for her POV. How can you possibly construe that as trying to get someone else (Lash?) to sling mud?


Your comprehension is failing you, which doesn't surprise me. I was pointing out that by mentioning me by name in the midst of an acrimonious exchange between two other members, you were trying to drag me in. You're the target here, not Lash.

Quote:
Or are you just embarrassed at your prior silly comment, and are upset that I repeated it for Lash?


You flatter yourself if you think you can upset me so easily--you're not that good at this game, and the more i see of your style of posting, the less regard i have for your technique.

Quote:
And you have falsely accused me of lying so many times, I'm not even going to ask what the hell you're talking about. I'll just chalk it up as another frenzied fantasy of yours. Accusing others of lying appears to be one of your hobbies.


It sure helps your self-image to say as much--but it's horsie poop. This is the exchange to which i referred:

Tico the Habitually Untruthful wrote:
Lash wrote:
That direct insult is against TOS. I'd rather respond in kind, but I've decided to let you edit.



According to Setanta, that's not a personal attack ... he's just displaying his scorn for your POV.


At no time have i stated that a direct insult constitutes merely scorn for one's point of view--that was a knowing distortion on your part--a patent lie.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 09:18 pm
Setanta wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
I wasn't slinging any mud, Set, you were.


Yeah, and everybody in the holding cell down at the county courthouse is innocent, too.

Quote:
But in response to my charge that you were being personally insulting, you said you were only demonstrating your "scorn for the idiocy you peddle," referring to me. Thus, in the post with which you now claim offense, I merely advised Lash that according to you, DD was only displaying his "scorn" for her POV. How can you possibly construe that as trying to get someone else (Lash?) to sling mud?


Your comprehension is failing you, which doesn't surprise me. I was pointing out that by mentioning me by name in the midst of an acrimonious exchange between two other members, you were trying to drag me in. You're the target here, not Lash.


The problem here isn't my comprehension ... it appears to be your lack of ability to communicate effectively.

You were not clear whom you believed I was trying to drag into the "childish mud slinging." The most logical person seemed to be Lash. It makes little sense that you were referring to yourself, since that wouldn't be a lateral drag ... it would be a direct engagement. But I understand logic isn't your strong suit, which is why I believe you drone on about history as much as you do, as you try to compensate for that shortcoming.

Set wrote:
Tico wrote:
Or are you just embarrassed at your prior silly comment, and are upset that I repeated it for Lash?


You flatter yourself if you think you can upset me so easily--you're not that good at this game, and the more i see of your style of posting, the less regard i have for your technique.


As often as you've commented about your lack of regard for my "style of posting," it's a wonder you have any regard left.

Set wrote:
Tico wrote:
And you have falsely accused me of lying so many times, I'm not even going to ask what the hell you're talking about. I'll just chalk it up as another frenzied fantasy of yours. Accusing others of lying appears to be one of your hobbies.


It sure helps your self-image to say as much--but it's horsie poop. This is the exchange to which i referred:

Tico the Habitually Untruthful wrote:
Lash wrote:
That direct insult is against TOS. I'd rather respond in kind, but I've decided to let you edit.


According to Setanta, that's not a personal attack ... he's just displaying his scorn for your POV.


At no time have i stated that a direct insult constitutes merely scorn for one's point of view--that was a knowing distortion on your part--a patent lie.


Referring to another's view as "horsie poop" is your technique. One wonders if such colloquialisms are artificial, or whether you are just naturally folksy in your crudeness.

Let's recap: You called McG's post "idiotic" and "hateful" rhetoric. Then you called the post I made in response "more idiocy from Tico mascarading as thought." When I told you I consider those to be personal attacks, you demurred and said I was mistaking your "scorn for the idiocy you peddle" with personal attacks. Which was, of course, another example of how you must stoop to lodge a personal attack against another poster in order to communicate. Given the amount of bile that spews from your keyboard on a regular basis, it's truly amazing you aren't on a forced hiatus from this site more often.

Then, after DrewDad called Lash "either confused or lazy," and Lash accused him of violating the TOS, I reminded her that according to you, DD was simply expressing his scorn for her POV. That's when you started blathering on about me being pathetic and lying.

Set wrote:
At no time have i stated that a direct insult constitutes merely scorn for one's point of view--that was a knowing distortion on your part--a patent lie.


You said I was equating "scorn for the idiocy you peddle with personal attacks." You clearly believed that calling McG's post "idiotic ... hateful ... rhetoric" (thus effectively calling him an idiot), and calling my post "more idiocy from Tico mascarading as thought," was merely an expression of your scorn -- not a personal attack. Calling someone an "idiot," or what they say "idiotic" or idiocy mascarading as thought," is certainly as much a direct insult to them as calling them "confused" or "lazy," and I would proffer that calling someone an "idiot" is more of a direct insult than "confused" or "lazy." Thus, you very clearly did state that a direct insult was instead just your expression of scorn, and not a personal attack ... and my remark to Lash was appropriate.


Do you now wish to clarify what you meant to say?
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 09:33 pm
I don't have any interest in going back through the pages to view the pissing contest but Lash LaRue accusing someone else of violating TOS is classic pot, kettle, black then Maya, his tag team partner comes to his defense. Sooooooo predictable.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 09:40 pm
Lash wrote:
That direct insult is against TOS. I'd rather respond in kind, but I've decided to let you edit.

You've got about ten minutes..



Ok I lied. I went back and peeked. This is the first time in almost ten years posting at political forums that I have ever seen a poster audacious enough to threaten another poster like this.

I don't believe the mods appreciate this tactic and would advise to just report the post if you have a problem.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 10:53 pm
Your remarks are pathetic Tico--describing what somewhat says as idiotic is not to state that the person saying it is an idiot--you ought to rethink that, because the number of idiotic things the Shrub has said would, by your simple-minded and self-serving criterion, make him one of history's all time great idiots.

You're always bragging about your vast legal experience--i pity anyone who would retain you to appear for them in court, because your technique relies so much on diversion and deceit. The entire point is that criticizing what someone says does not constitute a direct insult. Therefore, you clearly have lied, once again.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 09:40 am
Setanta wrote:
Your remarks are pathetic Tico--describing what somewhat says as idiotic is not to state that the person saying it is an idiot ...


You seriously don't think that saying "more idiocy from Tico mascarading as thought" is an attempt to characterize me as an idiot, who rarely if ever manages to think? Your error is you think you have to come out and say, "You are an idiot," in order to have it considered an insult. The point is, you constantly drop gratuitous and meaningless insults that do nothing to further your case, and only elevate the level of contempt others have for your opinion. Do you really think you are being persuasive when you refer to what another person says as "pathetic," "horsie poop," or "idiocy"? That is the pathetic technique at work here.

Set wrote:
--you ought to rethink that, because the number of idiotic things the Shrub has said would, by your simple-minded and self-serving criterion, make him one of history's all time great idiots.


I assure you, when you insult me and call me an idiot, that does not make me an idiot. Similarly, when you call Bush an idiot, or the things he says idiotic, that does not make him an idiot. It's just you being insulting again.

Set wrote:
You're always bragging about your vast legal experience...


When? I defy you to find one instance of my "bragging about my vast legal experience." If I have ever referred to my legal experience, it has been either in direct response to a question asking about my legal experience, or in response to a situation where the person with whom I was debating was attempting to claim a superior knowledge of some legal process, without any legal experience of their own. And even in the latter case, it has only occurred on one or two instances. On the contrary, it is "you" (referring to you and your leftist friends) who are constantly referring to my status as an attorney in an attempt to denigrate me personally. I can find many, many instances where that has occurred.

Set wrote:
--i pity anyone who would retain you to appear for them in court, because your technique relies so much on diversion and deceit.


I expect you don't consider that to be an insult.

Set wrote:
The entire point is that criticizing what someone says does not constitute a direct insult. Therefore, you clearly have lied, once again.


You have a great propensity to accuse people of telling lies. I ran a simple A2K search to see how many times you have called another poster here a liar, just in the month of November 2005 alone. Here are the results:
    Yesterday, 11/30, you called me a liar on several occasions, obviously. Also yesterday, you started to call thunder_runner32 a liar (but it's possible you only called him/her "pathetic"). I'd call it a two-for-the-price-of-one insult. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1698525#1698525]LINK[/URL] On 11/27, you called real life a liar. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1693619#1693619]LINK[/URL] On 11/21, you called Momma Angel a liar, not once, but twice. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1683579#1683579]LINK[/URL], [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1682857#1682857]LINK[/URL] On 11/17, you called real life a liar. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1675361#1675361]LINK[/URL] On 11/16, you called real life a liar. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1673826#1673826]LINK[/URL] On 11/11, you called the use of the term "Caucasian" a lie. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1667246#1667246]LINK[/URL] On 11/05, you were essentially accusing someone of being a liar, I'm not sure whom. [URL=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1656678#1656678]LINK[/URL]

So, at least 9 times in the past month you have accused someone or something of being a liar (And that's not counting the number of times you have accused Bush of lying).

You accuse people of lying so frequently, you have become the little boy who cried "LIAR!"


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And how many time can you use the word pathetic? That's your tactic: Call a post "pathetic," accuse someone of lying, and then characterize what they say as "idiotic" or "idiocy." That is your approach to fair debate on this site.

Your approach, IMO, is pathetic.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 09:52 am
Your mistake is in contending that negative characterizations of what you write can reasonbably be described as insults--they are not. Old principle online, attack the writing, not the writer. If you don't get it, too bad. You have just described my approach as "pathetic." The question of whether or not you consider me pathetic, or intended to suggest as much, is a matter of indiffernce to me. Clearly, though, you waste people's time with your ill-considered and badly reasoned attempts to indict them for offenses they've never committed--and you are prone to drag your childish grudges from one thread to another.

Intellectually, you badly need to grow up.
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