can't anyone be homosexual?

Well, of course I'll use it later...

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Sturgis wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
False analogy. Humans are not Brussel Sprouts.

We are not that distant from each other after all Mike Molecule helps create both the brussel sprout and the human and it has been shown that even plants have feelings...perhaps they are repulsed by frying batter, does this mean they are repressing an urge to be part of a banquet?

That's cute as hell. I like it! Very Happy

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thanks.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Without realizing it, you made my point. At some point in your life, even though you have no deisre now or your desire is repressed, you might find yourself in a set of circumstances that leads into a very intimate realtionship and at some point take the leap into sex.

I am very surpised that women on the internet take this position so often but in real life I have never had anyone disagree (sometimes after much discussion) with this POV Perhaps, that is because this is a public forum and guys are listening. And also there are many women (and men) who put up a major facade when talking about sex on the internet..
Not that anyone hear does that! (ahem!)

No, you are grasping at straws to validate your point. Never. Never, like Sturgis, will I "take a leap" into sex with a woman. One, because I am married and we don't swing that way and two, I HAVE NO SEXUAL DESIRE FOR WOMEN. Let me say that again in case you missed it. I HAVE NO SEXUAL DESIRE FOR WOMEN. You are saying that we are all gay, but just don't know it or are repressing it. That's like saying all gay people really want straight sex too and Sturgis has already said he has no desire to do so. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Perhaps you hang out with a certain group of people who happen to agree with you on everything you say. Sorry to burst your self absorbed bubble but there are plenty here who don't agree with you.

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Bella Dea, again you are simply revealing your lack of awareness of what life is all about and your inabilty to think outside the box.

First of all, sturgis' point is irrelevant as my theory relates to women being with women.

Let's forget sex for a moment and, let us say, you don't like broccolli, that you have no desire to eat brocolli and will "never" eat broccolli. Would you make the same absurd claim that you can absolutely be sure that there will never come a day that you will eat broccolli? What if you found out that broccolli was a very powerful anti-oxidant and changed your priorities to health over taste? Or one day, your tastes simply change? If I had the time and wanted to brainstorm, I could easily list 100 reasons why someone who thought she didn't like broccolli might feel differently in the future given a certain circumstance.

Life is not a static thing. The very cells that make up your body will be replaced by other cells and, in time, you will have a completely different cellular make-up. Everything changes with time. Every action causes a re-action. You cannot predict the future nor can you control it.

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Bella Dea wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Without realizing it, you made my point. At some point in your life, even though you have no deisre now or your desire is repressed, you might find yourself in a set of circumstances that leads into a very intimate realtionship and at some point take the leap into sex.

I am very surpised that women on the internet take this position so often but in real life I have never had anyone disagree (sometimes after much discussion) with this POV Perhaps, that is because this is a public forum and guys are listening. And also there are many women (and men) who put up a major facade when talking about sex on the internet..
Not that anyone hear does that! (ahem!)

No, you are grasping at straws to validate your point. Never. Never, like Sturgis, will I "take a leap" into sex with a woman. One, because I am married and we don't swing that way....

You hoist yourslef again on your own petard again here and expose how limited your view of life is. You are saying that because you are married now that you will always be married. Not so. Wake up and smell the coffee! You are sleepwalking through life.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Life is not a static thing. The very cells that make up your body will be replaced by other cells and, in time, you will have a completely different cellular make-up. Everything changes with time. Every action causes a re-action. You cannot predict the future nor can you control it.

All true statements.

However, it could also be argued that you have a good idea that you don't feel like chopping your arm off at the elbow now, nor will you in the future. Your claim that eating brocoli is in any way similar to undergoing a fundamental alteration of your sexual tendancies only displays your inability to think inside the box.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Bella Dea, again you are simply revealing your lack of awareness of what life is all about and your inabilty to think outside the box.

Please.

You want to tell me that I lack awareness of what life is all about? Me, who's been a woman since birth being told how to be a woman by one who's only been a woman for....how long?

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However, it could also be argued that you have a good idea that you don't feel like chopping your arm off at the elbow now, nor will you in the future.

False analogy. Eating and sex are normal and natural. Self-dismemberment is not.

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Your claim that eating brocoli is in any way similar to undergoing a fundamental alteration of your sexual tendencies only displays your inability to think inside the box

Um...you misspelled "your box." Inside your box, you see changing your desires as requiring a fundamental change in your makeup. I don't.

What gender are you?

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

You hoist yourslef again on your own petard again here and expose how limited your view of life is. You are saying that because you are married now that you will always be married. Not so. Wake up and smell the coffee! You are sleepwalking through life.

There isn't any point in even bothering with you anymore. You refuse to listen and you can't stop talking long enough to consider anyone elses perspective on life. A perspective, may I remind you, very different from your own. You act like just because you think this way everyone else does too. Either that or you desperatly want everyone else to think this way so you can sleep better at night.

Be who you want to be. Do what you want to do. I am glad you found yourself and we have the medical advances to help you be that person on the outside too. But don't presume to tell me that I am narrow minded and limited because you think that you know what it's like to be any one other than yourself.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Um...you misspelled "your box." Inside your box, you see changing your desires as requiring a fundamental change in your makeup. I don't.

What gender are you?

I mispelt nothing. I was spewing your own words back at you from an earlier post.

I see chaning your desires in such a fundamental way requiring a fundamental change in your makeup. You consider it as easy as standing up.

I am male.

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Bella Dea wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Bella Dea, again you are simply revealing your lack of awareness of what life is all about and your inabilty to think outside the box.

Please. You want to tell me that I lack awareness of what life is all about? Me, who's been a woman since birth being told how to be a woman by one who's only been a woman for....how long?

I have been a woman since birth as well. My unique perspective and life experiences make me far more qualified to discuss topics like this than 95% of the populous. If you are a psychologist, your opinion would trump mine. Otherwise, not. Your posts reveal someone who is very narrow in her thinking and rather inexperienced.

Not many peopple would be open enough or courageous enough to reveal her personal life and past like I do. That alone makes my opinion valid.

BTW your statement also reveals your ignorance on what constitutes gender as well.

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Questioner wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Um...you misspelled "your box." Inside your box, you see changing your desires as requiring a fundamental change in your makeup. I don't.

What gender are you?

I am male.

That is what I thought.

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ehBeth wrote:

I think it's silly to say "never" when it comes to love and sex.
Maybe even dangerous.

Great minds think alike.

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Well, I can say that I WILL NEVER HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN! (Caps definitely meant for emphasis here!)

There is no circumstance that would ever make me want to do this. So, no, it's not silly for me to say that. It's just downright the truth.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

BTW your statement also reveals your ignorance on what constitutes gender as well.

I know the difference between sexual biology and gender. But because you want to make me the ignorant fool in every post, you wouldn't bother to notice that or consider it.

Regardless, if you've always felt more like a woman than a man, you still had to feel somewhat like a man because you had the sexual parts and along with those parts come male hormones. I've never felt anything like a man. At least to the best of my knowledge. I couldn't be 100% because I've no idea what it's like to be a man.

How does your unique perspective make you more qualified? Enlighten us.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Questioner wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Um...you misspelled "your box." Inside your box, you see changing your desires as requiring a fundamental change in your makeup. I don't.

What gender are you?

I am male.

That is what I thought.

Your thoughts are immaterial. If you are implying that only a woman is capable of understanding homosexual tendencies then you are far more deluded than was previously suspected.

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Questioner wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Questioner wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Um...you misspelled "your box." Inside your box, you see changing your desires as requiring a fundamental change in your makeup. I don't.

What gender are you?

I am male.

That is what I thought.

Your thoughts are immaterial.

Then why are you responding?

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Bella Dea wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

BTW your statement also reveals your ignorance on what constitutes gender as well.

I know the difference between sexual biology and gender. But because you want to make me the ignorant fool in every post, you wouldn't bother to notice that or consider it.

Regardless, if you've always felt more like a woman than a man, you still had to feel somewhat like a man because you had the sexual parts and along with those parts come male hormones. I've never felt anything like a man. At least to the best of my knowledge. I couldn't be 100% because I've no idea what it's like to be a man.

How does your unique perspective make you more qualified? Enlighten us.

Us????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Again, you expose your appalling ignorance. Gender has NOTHING to do with anatomy. I don't have any idea what it is like to be a man either. And since I am a primarily a Lesbian and have never lived or had a serious relationship with a man, I will say that you probably understand these creatures BETTER than I do. So if you opine on man/woman relationships, I will grant you that your opinion might hold more weight. (Except that you are so lacking in your general knowledge of human sexuality.)

BTW it is appalling that in this day and age that people think transsexuals are the way they are because they "feel" like their opposite anatomical gender. Do you think these people go through three, or four or five years(or in some cases) a lifetime of hell just because they "feel" like men or women? (BTW I went through only a year or so of hell, my therapist who has counseled 3,000 TS clients says mine was the smoothest transition she had ever seen. In fact, I would not have even needed a therapist had it not been required by the standards of practice.)

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Then why are you responding?

Because you continue to avoid responding to anything I say other than minute bits in a bid to somehow discredit a valid viewpoint. If that's the best you can do, then fine. I will continue to respond until you put forth something meaningful.

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