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Worst Speech of Bush's Presidency

 
 
englishmajor
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 11:35 pm
So, what was the little black box on Bush's back during the campaigns? Eh? We saw it on our Canadian networks, did you?

You're right flushd. Sturgis doesn't make any sense. Like they say, Sturgis, 'it is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt'. (M.Twain).

The Republicans owned the voting machines. If I have to post that a million times, I will. GWB won because of fraud (hanging chads, anyone?) but not brains. His "Bushisms' are astoundingly stupid. Remember 'is our children learning' & his 'leave no child behind' (which is actually a way to track a child through school for the draft).

Bush is the biggest moron, ever. But a dangerous moron. Rather than reduce terrorism in the world he has created more. Now, that takes brains....
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 11:43 pm
I really don't know if the allow the New York Times to go into Canada but englishmajor might learn something if she would read the article entitled
"Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote" November 12, 2001

I will replicate the first paragraph of the story

"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had allowed to go forward."

And, no, englishmajor, the New York Times is not a right wing newspaper!
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2005 11:59 pm
Italkat wrote:
I find the left wingers on this thread to be loquacious but lacking in facts.

l. George W. Bush was not wiped out in the debates with the policy wonk, Al Gore. No one has attempted to explain that. If Bush were indeed so inarticulate, how could he have had three debates with the most articulate Gore and not be defeated.

Not even Joe from Chicago will touch that one. He can't find the answer in his law crib notes.

Why would I bother to respond to that point, Mortogato? It's entirely irrelevant.

Italkat wrote:
2. Many of the people writing on these threads have taken the SAT test. George Bush took the SAT test. Those who do fairly well on the SAT are not necessarily articulate, but I am certain there is a correlation.

How did George W. Bush do on his SAT's? He scored 120.

120 on the SAT, hunh? What happened, did he get every question wrong and misspell his own name?

Italkat wrote:
As I said, Joe from Chicago and others write nothing but generalizations. They have no facts. Chew on the facts above. Rebut them if you wish to try. They will stand because they are accurate.

Rebut that Bush is a moron? Why would I want to do that?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:02 am
Intrepid wrote:
Mortkatwrote:
Quote:
My name is Moretkat. That's what I expect to be called.

Thank you.


If your name is Moretkat, then you should change your username since it shows as Mortkat.
Cool

Be easy on him. Considering how frequently Mortogato changes identities, it must be difficult for him even to remember his latest name, let alone spell it correctly.
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:07 am
Startling new revelations highlight rare Congressional hearings on Ohio vote
by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
December 13, 2004

Startling new revelations about Ohio's presidential vote have been uncovered as Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee join Rev. Jesse Jackson in Columbus, the state capital, on Monday, Dec. 13, to hold a rare field hearing into election malfeasance and manipulation in the 2004 vote. The Congressional delegation will include Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, and others.

Taken together, the revelations show Republicans - in state and county government, and in the Ohio Republican Party - were determined to undermine and suppress Democratic turnout by a wide variety of methods.

The revelations were included in affidavits gathered for an election challenge lawsuit filed Monday at the Ohio Supreme Court. Ohio's Republican Electoral College representatives are also to meet at noon, Monday, at the State House, even though the presidential recount, requested by the Green and Libertarian Parties, is only beginning the same day.

On Sunday, John Kerry spoke with Rev. Jesse Jackson and urged him to take an more active role in investigating the irregularities and ensuring a fair and impartial recount. Kerry said there were three areas of inquiry that should be addressed: 92,000 ballots that recorded no vote for president; qualifying and counting provisional ballots; and supported an independent analysis of the software and set-up of the optical scan voting machines.

What follows are excerpts from some of the affidavits for the election challenge.

- In Warren County, where election officers declared a homeland security emergency on Election Day, and barred reporters and others from watching the vote count, it now has been revealed that county employees were told the previous Thursday they should prepare for the Election Day lockdown. That disclosure suggests the lockdown was a political decision, not a true security risk. Moreover, statements also describe how ballots were left unguarded and unprotected in a warehouse on Election Day, and they were hastily moved after county officials received complaints.

- In Franklin County, where Columbus is located, the election director, Matt Damschroder, misinformed a federal court on Election Day when he testified the county had no additional voting machines - in response to a Voting Rights Act lawsuit brought by the state Democratic Party that minority precincts were intentionally deprived of machines. It now appears as many as 81 voting machines were being held back, out of 2,866 available, according to recent statements by Damschroder and Bill Anthony, the chairman of the Franklin County Board of Elections. The shortage of machines in Democratic-leaning districts lead to long lines and thousands of people leaving in frustration and not voting. Damschroder's contradictory statements raise the possibility of perjury.

- Also in Franklin County, a worker at the Holiday Inn observed a team of 25 people who called themselves the "Texas Strike Force" using payphones to make intimidating calls to likely voters, targeting people recently in the prison system. The "Texas Strike Force" members paid their way to Ohio, but their hotel accommodations were paid for by the Ohio Republican Party, whose headquarters is across the street. The hotel worker heard one caller threaten a likely voter with being reported to the FBI and returning to jail if he voted. Another hotel worker called the police, who came but did nothing.

- In Knox County, students at Kenyon College, a liberal arts school, stood in line for up to 11 hours, because only one voting machine was in use. However, at nearby Mt. Vernon Nazarene University, there were ample voting machines and no lines. This suggests the GOP shorting of voting machines was a more widespread tactic than just targeting inner-city neighborhoods.

- Reports in sworn affidavits affirm numerous instances of direct official interference with the right to vote. In Warren County, Democrats were being targeted and forced to use provisional ballots, even if they had proper identification. These ballots were then subjected to more rigorous standards to be counted than were other ballots. In a half-dozen precincts in Franklin County, people who were not inside polling places by 7:30 PM were told to leave - even if they had waited in line for hours. This is a violation of the Voting Rights Act. Sworn affidavits also confirmed reports of old voter rolls being used, meaning that new voters were not on the list and would be given provisional ballots, if allowed to vote at all.

Affidavits were also filed in support of the election challenge suit raising questions about manipulating exit poll results and computer tabulation of county and statewide votes.

In one exit poll affidavit, Jonathan David Simon, an expert witness, notes that at 12:53 a.m. the exit polls altered the projected winner - even though the same number of votes had been cast. "Although each update reports the same number of respondents (872), the reported results differ significantly, with the latter (12:53 a.m.) exit poll results apparently having been brought into congruence with the tabulated vote results." In other words, the exit polls were made to conform to a political decision to declare Bush the victor.

Another exit poll affidavit, filed by Ron Paul Baiman, an economist and statistician at the University of Illinois and University of Chicago, said the swing in national exit poll results, recorded at 12:33 a.m., when Kerry was winning with 50.8 percent of the vote, to Bush winning with 51.2 percent, was, "in lay terms, impossible."

"This is more than a 100 percent swing in the other direction of the exit poll margin, he said. "There is less than a one in 25,000,000 (1/25,507,308) chance of this occurring."

Another affidavit by Richard Hayes Phillips, a geomorphology Ph.D. from University of Oregon with a special expertise in spotting anomalous data, found dramatic examples of erroneous voting patterns - with votes taken away from Kerry - that can only be explained by computer manipulation.

For instance, in 16 precincts in Cleveland, he found votes that were shifted from Kerry to other candidates. In at least 30 precincts, there was ultra-low voter turnout reported - as low as 7.1 percent or 13.05 percent - and seven entire wards where total turnout was below 50 percent. He writes, "Kerry won Cleveland with 83.27 percent of the vote to 15.88 percent for Bush. If voter turnout were really 60 percent of registered voters, as seems likely based on turnout in other major cities of Ohio, rather than 49.89 percent as reported, Kerry's margin of victory in Cleveland has been wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes."

Phillips points to other counties where has says "there is compelling evidence of fraud." In Miami County early on election night, when 31,620 votes had been counted, and later, when 50,235 votes were counted, "Kerry had exactly the same percentage, 33.92 percent, and the percentage for George Bush was almost exactly the same, dropping by 0.03 percent from 65.80 to 65.77 percent. The second set of returns gave Bush a margin of exactly 16,000 votes, giving cause to question the integrity of the central counting device for the optical scan machines. "

He cites many other examples, but summarizes his findings: "It is my professional opinion that John Kerry's margins of victory were wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes in Cleveland, by 17,000 votes in Columbus, and by as many as 7,000 votes in Toledo. It is my further professional opinion that John Kerry's margins of defeat in Warren, Butler, and Clermont Counties were inflated by as many as 37,000 votes in the aggregate, and in Miami County by as many as 6,000 votes. There are still 92,672 uncounted regular ballots that, based upon the analysis set forth of the election results from Dayton and Cincinnati, may be expected to break for John Kerry by an overwhelming margin. And there are still 14,441 uncounted provisional ballots."

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Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of OHIO'S STOLEN ELECTION: VOICES OF THE DISENFRANCHISED, 2004, upcoming from www.freepress.org.


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And on it goes. Oh yes, Bush won because his tactics are less than ethical. He pulled it off in Florida, so why not Ohio - (Ohio was the deciding factor).

And yes, we get all newspapers here in Canada including from Europe. Et tu?
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:11 am
Those are certainly Startling New Revelations. If they are true, then it is incumbent that President Bush be impeached. I suggest that you contact the Chairperson of the Judiciary Committee, Representative Sensenbrenner- Wisconsin- R. since he is the person who would begin proceedings.

I do not think you will be successful since the allegations set down in the article are not backed up by evidence. At this time, I am unaware of any move in the House of Representatives to consider impeachment. Do you have any information?
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:29 am
The House is full of sh-- I mean, Republicans....like when the Nazis took over the Reichtag.

Therefore impeachment is not likely is it? Bush and his cabal know that. They already fixed 2 elections. Wanna bet ole Jeb will be it for 08? Those dang Republican owned voting machines just cain't git it right.

There is plenty of evidence in the article. Affidavits are not usually filed without some evidence. We all know how the US gov't works. Intimidation, threats, lost ballots, not enough ballot machines in Democratic precincts. Talk about the evil axis.......Bush, Cheney, Rummy (or perhaps Rove).

You do not think who will be successful? I'm not trying to impeach Bush. Just trying to get Americans TO THINK. Now, that's a job.....
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 12:46 am
Well, it is venues like this that expose us to the real thinkers. I mean the Canadians who have given us. Right now, I can't think of what they have given us but I do know that they have great thinkers in Canada.

Why, if it had not been for the American Propaganda machine, it would be clear to all that Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, CIT and Stanford are really second rate institutions when compared to the Universite of Montreal, the University of Toronto and the University of British Columbia.
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 01:15 am
Let's help you out. EH? (Sounds so much more intelligent than HUH). You forgot a few universities.
40 of 294 in Canada:

University of Toronto@
University of British Columbia@
McGill University@
University of Waterloo@
University of Calgary@
University of Alberta@
Simon Fraser University@
Queen's University@
University of Victoria@
SchoolFinder.com - resource for Post-Secondary studies in Canada.
University of Western Ontario@
Carleton University@
University of Ottawa@
University of Guelph@
Université de Montreal@
Concordia University@
Canadian Universities - web directory of links organized by province. Also in French.
York University@
Université Laval@
Royal Roads University - public institution offering applied and professional programs to a campus-based and virtual community of career-oriented learners.
McMaster University@
University of Manitoba@
Dalhousie University@
University of Saskatchewan@
Athabasca University@
Ryerson University@
Open Learning Agency
Capilano College
Université du Québec à Montréal@
University of New Brunswick@
Nova Scotia Agricultural College
Acadia University@
Memorial University@
Brock University@
Wilfrid Laurier University@
University of Windsor@
British Columbia Institute of Technology@
University of Regina@
Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine (CCNM) - offers a four-year, full-time program in naturopathic medicine as well as professional development, general interest and certificate programs.
Trent University@

Of course, YOUR universities, if daddy pays enough, turn out doozies like BUSH. They must have very low standards if they accept someone who only scored 120 on their SAT. Good thing our standards are higher. Canada is much more literate than the US. Check it out online, or whatever.

As for inventions and what Canada has given the world, not especially Americans, stay tuned for a list of inventors/scientists. You'd be surprised to know that most of what America thinks it has invented has been invented right here.

As for what WE give YOU: Canada supplies 99% of US electricity imports, 94% of natural gas imports, 17% of oil and 35% uranium for your Homer Simpson nuclear power plants. Not to mention the water that goes your way. However, with the softwood dealings going the way they are, we may be cutting back on our natural resources. Hey, China needs lumber, and you guys really don't mind paying over $2500 per house for lumber because we aren't sending any? Do you? Naw.

What does the US give Canada? A lot of SH$T.

Anyway, is this your way to divert from the dumbest speech by your Pres? Is this what the universities turn out down there? My, I AM impressed.
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 01:29 am
oh - inventions in Canada, check out

www3.sympatico.ca/taniah/Canada/things/

quite amazing really for a country of only 30 million. You've that many just in California Very Happy
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 01:58 am
I am so very sorry to inform you, englishmajor, that you are quite mistaken about Universities. The USA clearly has the best and there is EVIDENCE to buttress that statement.

An independent source

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm

The Academic Ranking of World Universities 2005 simply does not agree with you.


Indeed, Thirty Seven( 37) of the TOP FIFTY SCHOOLS LISTED ARE US SCHOOLS.

There are, I am very much afraid, only 2(Two) Canadian Schools listed- U of Toronto-24th and U of British Columbia-37th.

The listing of the top twenty is instructive.

Harvard

Cambridge

Stanford

U Cal. Berkeley

MIT

CIT

Columbia

Princeton

Chicago

Oxford

Yale

Cornell

U Cal. San Diego

U Cal, L. A.

Pennsylvania

Wisconsin

Washington- Seattle

U Cal. San Francisco

John Hopkins

Tokyo

Of the top twenty, seventeen( 17) are US Univerisities and 3 are not-2 ( Cambridge and Oxford are UK and Tokyo is, of course, Japan)

There are other such listings and I am confident that they will replicate the above list fairly well.

I would be happy to peruse any list you can provide.

I am sure that you felt that President Bush's speech was very poorly given.

You have a right to your opinion.

I, on the other hand, am sanguine about his speeches since he was obviously able to hold his own in the presidential debates with both Gore and Kerry. Indeed, he won the Presidency both times.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 04:13 am
Mortkat wrote:
.....

.......... about his speeches since he was obviously able to hold his own in the presidential debates with both Gore and Kerry.




I don't know how you can say that it was his debating skills that won the day.......

http://www.able2know.com/forums/about61921.html
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 04:38 am
Damnit - my alma mater (Billabong U.) didn't make it onto anyone's lists Cool
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 04:41 am
Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 06:25 am
goodfielder wrote:
Damnit - my alma mater (Billabong U.) didn't make it onto anyone's lists Cool



But I do think, Mortkat would find it too difficult to get a degree at one of your hometown's most prestigious instituts, the Adelaide Miethke :wink:
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 08:44 am
talk72000 wrote
Quote:
Well we know Jews are very intelligent and they control the media. Somehow Jews give deference to Likudniks and they have manipulated the polls, spin and news to let their Golem (GWB = Golem Will Bark) do the task for them.


And we also control the monitory system [Greenspan and now Bernanke]
. Today the US tomorrow the world. And when we do we know where you live. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 07:17 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
Damnit - my alma mater (Billabong U.) didn't make it onto anyone's lists Cool



But I do think, Mortkat would find it too difficult to get a degree at one of your hometown's most prestigious instituts, the Adelaide Miethke :wink:


And I think they have recognition of prior learning/recognition of current competencies policies Walter Very Happy
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 09:28 pm
Mortkat wrote:
I am so very sorry to inform you, englishmajor, that you are quite mistaken about Universities. The USA clearly has the best and there is EVIDENCE to buttress that statement.

An independent source

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm

The Academic Ranking of World Universities 2005 simply does not agree with you.


Indeed, Thirty Seven( 37) of the TOP FIFTY SCHOOLS LISTED ARE US SCHOOLS.

There are, I am very much afraid, only 2(Two) Canadian Schools listed- U of Toronto-24th and U of British Columbia-37th.

The listing of the top twenty is instructive.

Harvard

Cambridge

Stanford

U Cal. Berkeley

MIT

CIT

Columbia

Princeton

Chicago

Oxford

Yale

Cornell

U Cal. San Diego

U Cal, L. A.

Pennsylvania

Wisconsin

Washington- Seattle

U Cal. San Francisco

John Hopkins

Tokyo

Of the top twenty, seventeen( 17) are US Univerisities and 3 are not-2 ( Cambridge and Oxford are UK and Tokyo is, of course, Japan)

There are other such listings and I am confident that they will replicate the above list fairly well.

I would be happy to peruse any list you can provide.

I am sure that you felt that President Bush's speech was very poorly given.

You have a right to your opinion.

I, on the other hand, am sanguine about his speeches since he was obviously able to hold his own in the presidential debates with both Gore and Kerry. Indeed, he won the Presidency both times.



What am I supposed to be impressed about? That a country of 300 million people have universities that turn out - what? People like George Bush? That you have MORE universities than Canada is not even worth debating. As I said, Canada has 30 million people. What the heck do you expect for a country of our size? In fact, I am impressed that Canadian universities made the top 100 list. Four of them were rated as good as some of your US institutions. If you look at the list, you'll see that Europe and Asia are right there with the Americas, so I don't think you have much to crow about.

The sad fact is, a lot of Canucks who are professionals (not trades people) go to the States because the States do not have enough skilled people (translate, educated) to fill the positions.

Another sad fact: more people filed bankruptcies than graduated college in the US last year. Laughing
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 09:39 pm
Harvard produced a graduate named GWB = Great Wicked Bum.
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2005 12:10 am
talk72000 wrote:
Harvard produced a graduate named GWB = Great Wicked Bum.


Very Happy Very Happy You're too kind! Bum?

"Governing Without Brain".
"Gross War Bludgeoner"

Hey, a new thread evolves.... Very Happy
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