'Official A' ? No need to wonder what the A stands for.
parados wrote:... Make up more meanings of words Tico. "Leak" is pretty clearly defined in the course of a couple of press briefings where Rove's involvement was denied in any and all forms.
What are you talking about? I'm not making up meanings of words. I merely asked you to define the term you used. Surely you know there is more than one definition words. Take the word "
is," for example.
Bolton's chief of staff gave information on outed agent to Libby, lawyers involved in leak case say
Larisa Alexandrovna and Jason Leopold
John Bolton, the former Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs who is now the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, was contacted by I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby in late May 2003 to find out who sent Ambassador Joseph Wilson on a fact-finding mission to Niger, lawyers involved in the CIA outing investigation told RAW STORY over the weekend. Wilson was sent to Niger to ascertain whether Iraq had sought to purchase uranium from the African country.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Laywers_involved_in_leak_case_say_1102.html
I've been thinking that ol' Bolton was involved in this from day one.
My guess is that the same NSA intercepts that kept him from being appointed in the Senate have something to do with this case as well...
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn, conspiracy seems like a charge Fitzgerald could have brought. I guess he knows what he's doing. Maybe Bolton will be called to testify at Libby's trial with Rove and Cheney and a bunch of others. We may get a lot of powerful people pleading the 5th.
I firmly believe that Fitz is trying to bring the strongest possible case against everyone that he can get to. Part of this is taking the right amount of time to get the job done (to prove what he suspects or has some evidence of) and part of it is in letting the situation fester.
As the politics of the Plame case become more and more stinky for the Admin., pressure on each and every player in the case ratchets up. People start getting jumpy. They start wanting to cut deals rather than go down in flames.
Time is on our side; this thing could drag on for quite some time...
Cycloptichorn
Better not to rush. Get it right the first time. The case against Libby certainly is strong. How could he tell lies he knew he was going to get caught in. Saying he talked to Russert about Plame when he knew Russert would prove him a liar.
I agree with Cycloptichorn. Fitzgerald is playing a waiting game, and his media interview was the epitomy of professionalism. It must have put the fear of God into 'em.
Softly softly catchy monkey.
So Fitzgerald is the Dem's Ken Starr?
McGentrix wrote:So Fitzgerald is the Dem's Ken Starr?
If he were, we would have 22 indictments.
Ticomaya wrote:parados wrote:... Make up more meanings of words Tico. "Leak" is pretty clearly defined in the course of a couple of press briefings where Rove's involvement was denied in any and all forms.
What are you talking about? I'm not making up meanings of words. I merely asked you to define the term you used. Surely you know there is more than one definition words. Take the word "
is," for example.
Asking the meaning of "leak" was just a way for you to avoid addressing the issue at hand.
The fact is that Rove was a source for Novak's column. Not much left to dispute that fact.
Whatever you say, parados. I made my point.
Yes, you made a point.....or demonstrated one. But it was, for most of us, not the point you think you made.
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:dlowan wrote:
Lol! i wil be as supercilious as I like when you make such patherically ignorant, parochial and overwhelmingly ignorant statements.
Pathetically ignorant and overhwelming ignorant at the same time! Hot damn, I'm good! But do I really need to point out the irony coursing through your statement?
So, you believe America to have checks in its system which do not exist Australia, the UK, Germany, Holland, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Norway, Denmark etc etc.
No. All of these nations have systems which involve checks and balances, and all of them have patterned such controls on those found in the American system. Often imitated but never duplicated.
You believe, just cos you want to, that your system is superior to that of anyone else?
I want to believe this and, happily, I can!
Thank god we are not America, and goddess save the rest of the world from such ridiculous and blind hyper patriotism.
That's an interesting nod to God (irrespective of gender). I thank God I live in America but I don't think I'd curse him/her if I lived in Australia. It's certainly understandable that you might prefer Australia to America, but it is somewhat surprising (and perhaps telling) that you would thank the Creator that you are not American. It certainly belies any possible claim to not being anti-American.
Not to make too much of your passionate outburst, but I would suggest that it is also telling that you would invoke God's help in saving the world from folks like me. A classic Leftist perspective: the thugs and criminals in the world all have an angle which we must find it in ourselves to understand and accomodate, while protecting ourselves from the true threat to the world...prideful Americans.
Damn - I really must use the Preview function more often
Finn, believe it or not it's not all about America.
I would deride such incredible blindness and stupidity from anywhere. If someone from another country makes such an obviously idiotic statement as you did, I will happily deride it also. So far, here, I have mainly seen it from such as you, though Ihave certainly had a go at an Australian here for similar idiocy.
See, you are so America blind that you cannot actually see that it is the stupendous prejudice that you are being called on, not your Americanness.
Unlike you, I do not see the centre of all perfection in any one country, and I despise patriotism. I do not see perfection, nordeviltry in any country.
So, anyone who calls you on your blind stupidity is a hateful thug? And anti American?
If all Americans thought as you I would most certainly thank any available deity for not being so born.
Thankfully, I think you a minority, but a larger minority than you have any reasonable right to be. I think American uber patriotism is a dangerous thing right now, with you guys having so much power.
Hopefully views like yours will die out in all countries as we continue to evolve.
Oh, and we are still awaiting your lengthy paper fully justifying your extraordinary claim.
At the end of the day, here is what we have:
The chief-of-staff for the Vice President of the US (A man who calls himself "Scooter!") is indicted for lying to a Grand Jury.
It is testimony to the perceived influence of Dick Cheaney that anyone in the entire world might think that such a person was actually a player in Washington politics.
Only the most seriously obsessive political junkies could possibly name another VP chief-of-staff. (I'll give you the only one I know - William Kristol, COS for the enormously influential Dan Quayle)
The desperation of Democrats to translate this indictment (despite the protestations of the Special Prosecutor to the contrary) into an indictment of the Iraq War is palpable, and quite comical.
Between now and Scooter's trial we will be treated to Democratic Party leaders droning into TV cameras that the indictment of Scooter is an indictment of the Iraq War -- and, by extension, Bush.
Even they know that it will be an even more Herculean labor to impute the sins of Scooter to the President, and so they will seek to tie Scooter to Iraq.
It remains a mystery why Scooter didn't simply tell the grand Jury that he learned of Plamme's CIA connection from Cheaney rather than from the Media (assuming of course that he did - innocent until proven guilty...let's not chuck it). It is understandable that the average Joe (assuming he is even following this story) might come to the conclusion that the mystery implies something sinister. After all, how could a season political operative, and lawyer like Scooter Libbey, counseled by some the highest power legal talent in DC, make such a mistake? But then the Average Joe has not testified under oath before a Grand Jury or even during a deposition in civil litigation. The Average Joe is not likely to appreciate that even the most skilled and knowledgable of men and women repeatedly fall prey to the dynamics of providing testimony within an adversarial process.
This is not to say that Scooter is, necessarily, innocent and merely a poor victim of the system. It is to say that it is just as possible (if not more so) that even the highly placed Scooter screwed the pootch while under the spotlight, as opposed to calmly and surely lying to protect some vast administration conspiracy.
It is by no means a foregone conclusion that Scooter will be found guilty. The Special Prosecutor's proof lies principally with reporters' notes. Would you want to have your future decided by the accuracy of the notes of a reporter for the NY Times?
However, even if he is found guilty, what lasting effect will there be on the Bush Administration? Not much, I would argue. The Great Coverup the Left hoped and prayed for was not revealed or even hinted at by this investigation. It is not going to be revealed during Scooter's trial. The American Public has already forgotten about this so called scandal.
If Libbey was stupid and venal enough to lie to a Grand Jury, then he should pay the price. I would bet dollars to donuts, however, that the Bush and Cheaney will not be implicated.
