Libby indicted

dlowan wrote:

Finn, believe it or not it's not all about America.

Then why do you, as an Australian, spend so much time on what amounts to an American political forum? It is all about America, at least in terms of geo-politics. I can understand why non-Americans might not appreciate this dynamic, but there it is. If and when China become the major power in the world, it will be all about China. However, unless China undergoes some radical changes, I think you are likely to look back on the All-America days with fondness.

I would deride such incredible blindness and stupidity from anywhere. If someone from another country makes such an obviously idiotic statement as you did, I will happily deride it also. So far, here, I have mainly seen it from such as you, though Ihave certainly had a go at an Australian here for similar idiocy.

Please. Reign it in. I couldn't care less whether or not you insult me, but you are repeating yourself and it is tiresome.

See, you are so America blind that you cannot actually see that it is the stupendous prejudice that you are being called on, not your Americanness.

Unlike you, I do not see the centre of all perfection in any one country, and I despise patriotism. I do not see perfection, nordeviltry in any country.

I have no doubt dear dlowan that you are unlike me. Specifically, you are unlike me in that you despise patriotism. So you despise love and devotion to one's country? How do you feel about love and devotion to one's community or to one's family? I know, you are a Humanist, you save your love and devotion for all the Human Race. Now, of course, love of one's family doesn't preclude love of one's community and love of one's community doesn't preclude love of one's country and love of one's country doesn't preclude love of the world...but, apparently, you belive otherwise.

I am the father of three and I love them all, but I do not make the mistake to believe that they are all three equal in anything but the extent of my love for them. (Thankfully, none of them are French or I would have myself quite a dilemma).

So, anyone who calls you on your blind stupidity is a hateful thug? And anti American?

No, of course not, but clearly that is not what has transpired, unless you are suggesting that Finn =America, and you subscribe to Carollinian logic.

Try as you might to avoid it, you clearly stated "Thank God we are not America." You did not state "Thank God I am not Finn," or "Thank God Australians are not Finnish."

It seems pretty straight forward to me that anyone who thanks God that her nation is not America can be described as anti-American. One doesn't usually implore The Creator to avoid confusing themselves with someone they respect.

Your bit about hateful thugs is but a twisted misinterpretation of what I wrote. Let me reiterate: Leftists, like yourself, most often find all sorts of reasons to excuse or rationalize the noxious behavior of hateful thugs (providing of course they cannot in any way be described as right of center of fundamentally Christian): Their parents were cruel, The Man had His foot on their necks, Huberistic America has sought their oil, etc etc etc. It is telling that you invoke God to wipe the earth of patriotic Americans rather than hateful thugs. It tells of the intellectuall bankruptcy of the current Left.


If all Americans thought as you I would most certainly thank any available deity for not being so born.

Whew...nothing extreme there. I suggest that the rest of the world cannot match up to the quality of the governmental system of America and I should never have been born? Seems to me that this is the very sort of extremism which you have implored God to utterly smite.

Thankfully, I think you a minority, but a larger minority than you have any reasonable right to be. I think American uber patriotism is a dangerous thing right now, with you guys having so much power.

And therein lies the rub...how dare we with power, take pride in that power and its origins. I sympathize with you dlowan. If I were an Australian, or a Brit or a Chinese, or an Iranian, or a Peruvian, or a native of any country in the world other than America, I would prefer my Americans to be humble and unassuming. I would much prefer that they pervceived my interests and the interests of my fellow non-American earthlings to be equal to if not more important than their own. I would much prefer them to spend their hard earned treasure on me and the rest of the world and ask for nothing in return. I would be delighted if they directed their military might towards rectifying only those global ills which I deemed worthy of attention. I would be content if their representatives on A2K agreed that my opinion and those on other non-Americans was more important that their own.

Hopefully views like yours will die out in all countries as we continue to evolve.

One can only hope.

dlowan wrote:

... and I despise patriotism.

Most lefties do.

Ticomaya wrote:

dlowan wrote:

... and I despise patriotism.

Most lefties do.

Lol!! That is supposed to be an insult, I gather? Missed by a mile....

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

And therein lies the rub...how dare we with power, take pride in that power and its origins..

Nothing wrong with pride in one's origins. Nothing wrong with pride in one's power.

There is something wrong with a belief in one's superiority, though. For obviously, saying that one's nation is superior to every other nation is the same as saying that every other nation is inferior to one's own.

Now, there are many names for a belief in the inferiority of other countries, races, peoples or beliefs. None of them particularly charming.

You've been caught as the supremacist you are. Whatever. For some reason you're now trying to sell it as patriotism. But then, patriotism seems to be so easy to hide behind, so why shouldn't you do it, too?

Anyway, getting back to the matter at hand. Libby, of course, is entitled to a presumption of innoncence in the court of law. No such presumption of innocence exists in the court of public opinion.

Until Finn appeared on this thread, no one disputed the claim that the indictment is anything but airtight. (assuming Fitz's facts are correct) i.e. that Libby discussed Plame with SEVEN officials before his discussion with Russet in which he invented an entirely fabricated story that it was who Russert told him about Plame's status. One only needs to see Russert's acount of the conversations and see the incredulity of Libby's account in Russert's demeanor to easily discern that Libby is a liar.

Finn, you spelled "Moulin" wrong. How's that for some leftist snobbery?

D'artagnan wrote:

Finn, you spelled "Moulin" wrong. How's that for some leftist snobbery?

Right there you Leftist snob you.

DID you hear he was indicted, though?

Though I'm sure I definitely heard Clinton was a liar.