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Message for McTag-need help with scots language

 
 
JGoldman10
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2006 06:22 pm
Hello Mctag, what is the difference between Ulster-Scots and Shelta?

What is Scottish and Irish slang for:

playful girl
boisterous girl
foward girl

What is Scottish slang for:
smart or clever fellow/lad?

Have the terms Roaring Boy and Roaring Meg ever been used in Scoltand?

What famous Scottish street gangs came form Edinburgh?
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lmur
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2006 06:48 pm
JGoldman10 wrote:
Hello Mctag, what is the difference between Ulster-Scots and Shelta?


Ulster-scots is spoken by (a few) descendants of the Plantation settlers in what is known as "the 6 counties" (ie Northern Ireland). The link below gives some insght:
ulster-scots

Shelta is the language of the Irish Traveller (gypsy) community. This from GOOGLE:
THE SECRET LANGUAGE OF SHELTA

The 86,000 or so Irish Travellers throughout the world -- in Britain, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Canada -- share a common language called Shelta, also known as Gammon or The Cant, which is based in part on Gaelic.

Anthropologists and sociolinguists believe Shelta serves two functions for the Irish Traveller community: a means of maintaining secrecy and a method of reinforcing membership in the community. Shelta is taught from birth and only within the community, not in any school, according to Heather Tondini, writing in the Journal of Pidgin and Creole Languages. Only Irish Travellers can speak it; only Irish Travellers can understand it.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2006 02:10 am
Some of these questions are getting a bit beyond me, and would be best answered by reference to dictionaries, I think. And of course, Internet.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2006 01:02 pm
Thank you. Mctag, can you please tell me what are the best dictionaries and thesauruses on Scots?
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lmur
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 02:51 pm
<McTag - thanks for your PM the other day. Enjoyed the link immensely.>
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2006 03:34 pm
Hello, Mctag.

Thank you for your help.

Is Ulster-Scots considered Scottish Irish and Shelta Irish Scottish, or vice versa?


Who is McGonagall?

What is the Irish Gaelic equivalent of beadrach?
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2006 04:34 pm
Ulster Scots would be Irish-Scottish, I suppose, following the logic of the word order.

I've never heard of Shelta, until now.

William McGonagall was a famous, and famously bad, Scottish poet who wrote mock epics.
The joke is, as far as we can tell he was entirely serious about his work but everyone else thinks it painful.

Google for the Tay Railway Bridge disaster and you'll get the flavour of it.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 06:04 pm
Mctag, would you please help me out with my other questions, htat I posted in the Europe forum?
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 05:56 am
Hi J Goldman

I will if I can, but don't know what/where it is

Could you post the link please?

Best

McT
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 01:23 pm
Hi, Mctag. Here's the kilt link:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1836142#1836142
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 03:23 pm
Hi MCtag, her's the other topic about Scottish gangs:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/about68235.html&highlight=scottish+gangs
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lmur
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 04:08 pm
JGoldman10 wrote:
Hi MCtag,



Trust that you're enjoying your new role as a rap DJ, MCtag?
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 02:56 am
lmur wrote:
JGoldman10 wrote:
Hi MCtag,



Trust that you're enjoying your new role as a rap DJ, MCtag?


I'm not sure to what this refers. I have no experience with the wheels of steel.
Is it the doggerel thread?
Come on please, and write some stuff,
Of execrable verse there's never enough Very Happy
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 03:16 pm
Can I please get some help with Jockney?

I've been looking for sites online that feature Jockney slang and words-I haven't found too many.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 05:22 pm
MCtag, could you please help me out with jockney?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 12:38 am
Jockney is not a term I've come across before.
Is it a Scottish version of rhyming slang?

The best example I know is "brassic" meaning impecunious.

brassic=borassic= borassic lint (surgical dressing); rhymes with skint=skinned; means, having no money.

That's a belter.

Am I on the right track?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 12:44 am
No, it seems I was not on the right track. The term refers to a change in dialect.

http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/estuary/glasgow.htm

I cannot help further with this, but would be interested to see any further info.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 03:19 pm
JGoldman10 wrote:
Hi MCtag, her's the other topic about Scottish gangs:
http://www.able2know.com/forums/about68235.html&highlight=scottish+gangs


Mctag, did you see the response to your question I posted at this topic?
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 31 Mar, 2006 04:09 pm
Yes, saw the response, thank you. Good luck in the quest.
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ffydownunder
 
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Reply Sun 2 Apr, 2006 11:21 am
believe "jockney" is actually the term for a scottish person living in london.
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