A Q for the women Re: Breast Reduction

Beware... don't have a different opinion around this place!!
I'm really shocked and disappointed to see that if someone has a different opinion about an issue, they are branded as a troublemaker.

It was my opinion, that's it.

I don't disagree with a woman getting a breast reduction if she doesn't have any second thoughts about it. Kicking and screaming? Her friends tried to drag her to surgery?

I guess if Lord Ellpus was running this place we would all have to agree to stay on the breast reduction party line or else get booted from the forum.

be yourself- I think that you have missed my point completely. This was not a discussion of the pros and cons of breast reduction surgery, at the point in time when you wrote your post. If so, I would not have had a problem with it. On this forum, people often have widely differing views on many subjects, and are not reluctant to express those views.

Flushd had already made her decision, after reading members' thoughts and ideas on the subject. She is awaiting her procedure, which is happening shortly. You pop in, out of the blue, and relate horror stories, that can do nothing for flushd but raise her anxiety level. And that is why I blasted you.

There are many things that I could say on this forum, if I permitted myself to write everything that comes into my head. I use judgement and compassion, and choose to keep my "mouth shut" when speaking up would accomplish nothing, but simply cause hurt to a person.

You keep thinking I am trying to accomplish something by posting here.
It's just not true.

I was just amazed how there was no one who addressed or agreed with her initial fear.

You seem to be taking issue with me because you're probably thinking to yourself "We already convinced her!! now you're going to spoil it!!"

The truth is, she will make her own decision regardless of opinions from a forum on the internet.

I'm not going to label you a trouble maker or not (yet)

But you are certainly jumping the gun there beyourself.

Did you happen to read my dear friend flushd medical problems due to her large boobage?

days in bed, pain medication....it's not just about staring, it's about pain reduction and quality of life.

No one goes into any surgery without some kicking and screaming....

"Yay, I'm having open heart surgery in the morning! I can't wait"!!!

I'm not going to reread all the posts on this, but, I don't recall anyone mentioning vanity as a reason for breast reduction.

We're not an overly haute coutier bunch here.

You just came on a little strong, considering the reason she's having this surgery.

Breast reduction is not done for cosmetic reasons like augmentation is done. It's more often done because of the severe trauma to the back and body overly large breasts cause.

Open heart surgery comes with lots of risks. But the benefits out weight the risks, so you do it, regardless of the hesitation and fear. Wouldn't you just love someone coming to your house the day before open heart surgery and scaring the crap out of you with all the horror stories of open heart surgery?

The same can be said of this surgery. The benefits outweigh the risks for her and she doesn't "want" to do it. She "needs" to do it. Big difference.

It wasn't my intent to throw a monkey wrench in here.

I did read the entire thread.

There is a party line here, there is no doubt.

I can't say I agree with the whole childbirth analogy as that is natural, getting a breast reduction is on the other hand is not natural at all.

Going to open heart surgery is life or death, let's not compare elective breast surgery to that.

I'm sure I didn't sway flushd to postpone her operation, so no worries.

It is a matter of quality of life though. I take it you've never had to deal with a decision affecting your quality of life? It ain't easy.

One thing you need to know beyourself, if everyone on this treads knows each other very well, knows what makes us laugh, and knows what pisses us off.

It's kinda like you just walked into a group of friends who know all about each other, and are in the middle of a long conversation.
Right now, you're the stranger, the new guy, and perhaps need to get to know us, just as we get to know you.

Check out other threads, see the interactions, figure out personalities, it'll be more fun and interesting for you that way.

Welcome BTW

Chai,

Thanks for being civil with me. I really didn't mean to barge in and make a mess...

My ex had a breast reduction and was regretting it. I guess I just got a gut reaction and "barged in" a little too abruptly.

Bella Dea,

I actually did have a quality of life issue. I spent 2 years trying to figure out why my neck and back were killing me. No doctor could figure it out, I had MRIs I went to physical therapy and one day I found a "back and neck excercise" pamphlet at a doctor's office which had a section on poor sleeping posture. It turned out I was sleeping in a position which leads to back and neck pain. I had to train myself to sleep in a certain position, my girlfriend would wake me up to made me turn in the right direction if she caught me sleeping incorrectly.

Back pain runs in my family both men and women. My father had 2 back operations, my mom one back operation, my sister has enourmous boobs and she got a back operation and guess what? She is pain free now. You cannot gaurantee that flushd will be pain free after this operation, especially if her back might have damage unrelated to her breasts.

Back surgery is far more risky and it isn't any more natural than breast reduction surgery.

yes, neither is natural, but I don't remember flushd saying she was embarrased about the way her breasts looked, as a matter of fact she mentioned that they are "part of her identity"

Why not explore fixing her back which doesn't change the way she looks?

All surgery is risky, people die in the simplest of surgeries. All three people in my family survived their back surgery and are pain free now. Just something to think about.

Point taken.

beyourself- Well, I would not have back surgery, unless I was in chronic, intractable pain. I have known people who have had back surgeries, and have ended up worse off than they were before the surgery.

Breast reduction surgery, on the other hand, is a far less formidable procedure, and may just be the thing to relieve a woman who has back problems due to the pressure on her back from the weight of her breasts.



From what I have read, you seem to have a problem with surgery that changes a person's "looks". Am I correct in that assumption, and if so, could you please tell me what that is all about?

Phoenix32890,

You're correct in that assumption.

In the same way that Barbara Streisand should never get a nose job, Dolly Parton shouldn't get a breast reduction. Actually, what a great example of people who have not let their lives be defined by the size of their nose or breast size, but of their major accomplishments to the field of music.

Isn't flushd currently in "chronic, intractable pain" which you just agreed might be relieved with back surgery?

Phoenix, we do agree on one thing. Surgery is not a guarantee for pain relief.

Sorry beyourself - Dolly has dupped you on both augmentation and reduction.

In 2002, she admitted for the first time during interviews in Europe that she has, in fact, had implants. In one interview in the Irish Independent, she said she had gotten breast enhancements at a cost of about $3,000 (which would date them to around the mid-to-late-1980s). Then in the London Mirror, she explained that she decided to get implants after her dramatic weight loss around 1986. As any woman who has lost a great deal of weight knows, usually the first area to decrease in size is the chest. She said she got implants for the first time then because she had surgery to remove excess tissue left behind after the weight loss, and that made her breasts much smaller than they had been in the past when she was heavier. And if you look at photos from the late 1980s, they did appear larger at that time than they did when she first became skinny.

What plastic surgery has she had done?
She has freely admitted to a great deal of plastic surgery, including having anything sucked, tucked or lifted when it starts to sag. She has said she had her breasts "lifted," has had work done on her face, neck and rear end, regularly endures chemical facial peels and takes collagen injections to hide wrinkles. She has said that she is not ashamed of having plastic surgery because she wants to look her best for her fans and believes anyone who wants to have it done, has the money to pay for it, thinks it will improve their self-esteem and visits a licensed and qualified doctor for the procedure should go ahead and do it.





Barbara S. didn't have her nose done because it would have effected her singing voice.


Anyway, yeah, I was wondering the same thing re: a person doing anything to change their appearance.

Everyone has a line they personally have to draw as far as what they will do to enhance their appearance....

For women, this goes anywhere from au natural to makeup, hair styles, manicures to surgery.

There's nothing "wrong" or "right" about what someone will do for their appearance. Caveat....I'm not talking about someone with body dysmorphia, but that's a whole 'nother story. Let's leave Michael Jackson out of this

Let's assume we are talking about average people who feel fine about themselves who have the desire, money and support to get something done. What business is it of ours?

I had lasik done a few years ago, completely not medically necessary, made me very nervous, but I did it. It cost I seem to remember, a little over 3,000.
I didn't mind mentioning the cost to people who asked, since some where interested for themselves.

However, I was surprised when some people said they couldn't BELIEVE I would spend that kind of money.

My response to them was....."I drive a Corolla, if I decided to upgrade to a Camry, that costs about 3K. You'd have no problem with that, and even congratulate me. I don't want a Camry, but I'm so glad I can see now and don't have to wear thick glasses. Now I can do so many things I couldn't before, and I feel beautiful".

So really, if someone has their mind right, and isn't looking for this thing that will change their life and make them a different person than the one they are inside, hey, who am I to judge.

Sure there are shallow beautiful people, but there are shallow ugly ones too.

So I guess I am to assume that beyourself doesn't wear makeup or use hair products? Since that would be artificially changing your looks.

And nothing in life is guaranteed....except death and taxes.

beyourself- So, what you are saying is that a person who is in severe pain, which probably be relieved by surgery should not get the surgery, if it will change her appearance. From what you have said, I am concluding that you would prefer that a person go thru a much more dangerous operation (back surgery), as long as it does not change her appearance. Am I correct?

You still haven't explained why you feel that way, and there is something about your thinking in this matter, that, IMO, is extremely bizarre.

You cannot compare Barbra Streisand getting a nose job for appearance sake, with flushd getting a breast reduction, because the weight of her breasts are causing her great pain. You are comparing apples with oranges.

BTW, my insurance company paid for my breast reduction. They do not pay for cosmetic surgery, and the doctor had to document MEDICAL reasons why she was advising that I have the procedure, before the operation was approved by the insurance company.

Chai,

I knew about the plastic surgery on her face which I think looks terrible. I had no idea about Dolly's breast implants though. She probably thought "these breasts probably helped me out in my career, better not loose them"

Bella Dea,

I'm bald and definitely don't wear makeup!

Hmmm... maybe I should get hair implants.....

NEVER!!

lol

See, that's what I mean, I think Dolly Parton is absolutely gorgeous.
So, it's all a matter of personal preference in what you consider attractive.

I would bet money that I could point out women to you that are wearing makeup, or I know for a fact has had something done, and you would think they were perfectly going natural with no cosmetics.

Men have a tendency not to see the particulars of what it takes to get the effect, only the overall achievement.

I believe the point that's being made here is that it isn't anyone else business what a person choices to do about their appearance.

I might look at you and think "god, why doesn't he get some decent shoes, or shave, or get rid of the uni-brow, but I wouldn't because.......It's none of my business!





Hey flushd! You out there? Not too long now huh? I'll be thinkin' of ya.

The fact that you are a man says it all. You don't have breasts and have no idea what it is like to have them weighing you down all the time.