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What if your child as an adult, worked in the porn industry?

 
 
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:41 pm
logicalunit42 wrote:


yeah, but being a bad influence can make them feel bad and cause emotional damage. you can agree with certain statements but not teach them to your children.


First of all, you wouldn't be talking to your children about porn when they are at a highly impressionable age. Secondly, how would my opinion about not judging people be a bad influence? Thirdly, if you raise your child to believe that you are to respect everyone, even if you don't agree with them, that's a good thing. Fourthly, where did anyone say anything about teaching kids that porn is ok? My parents didn't sit me down one day and say "porn is ok". I was educated enough and independent enough to make my own decisions about it.
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logicalunit42
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:44 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
logicalunit42 wrote:


yeah, but being a bad influence can make them feel bad and cause emotional damage. you can agree with certain statements but not teach them to your children.


First of all, you wouldn't be talking to your children about porn when they are at a highly impressionable age. Secondly, how would my opinion about not judging people be a bad influence? Thirdly, if you raise your child to believe that you are to respect everyone, even if you don't agree with them, that's a good thing. Fourthly, where did anyone say anything about teaching kids that porn is ok? My parents didn't sit me down one day and say "porn is ok". I was educated enough and independent enough to make my own decisions about it.


you're exagerating all the basis for your logical conclusions.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:45 pm
DrewDad wrote:
LOL.

I know what a medical examiner is. I just don't have any knowledge of who they are.

Removing each individual organ, measuring it, weighing it, taking and labeling samples, collecting forensic evidence, putting everything back together when one is done is not detail oriented?

I personally wouldn't have any problem with this (Except for the going-through-medical-school part; I don't have 10 years of my life to devote to it.). Dead bodies are nothing more than very complex engines that don't run anymore.


Well, you said.... Embarrassed

Ok, it is detail oriented but one who is detail oriented is not the person who goes for this job. It's stinky, messy, long hours, hard hours and unpleasant scenery. Nothing like a 6 month old decomposing body....

Most people couldn't do it. Most peole can't even see gory scenes on tv. Have you ever seen an autopsy performed? It's...well, there aren't words to describe. Shocked
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:45 pm
logicalunit42 wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
logicalunit42 wrote:


yeah, but being a bad influence can make them feel bad and cause emotional damage. you can agree with certain statements but not teach them to your children.


First of all, you wouldn't be talking to your children about porn when they are at a highly impressionable age. Secondly, how would my opinion about not judging people be a bad influence? Thirdly, if you raise your child to believe that you are to respect everyone, even if you don't agree with them, that's a good thing. Fourthly, where did anyone say anything about teaching kids that porn is ok? My parents didn't sit me down one day and say "porn is ok". I was educated enough and independent enough to make my own decisions about it.


you're exagerating all the basis for your logical conclusions.


What?
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logicalunit42
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:49 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
logicalunit42 wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
logicalunit42 wrote:


yeah, but being a bad influence can make them feel bad and cause emotional damage. you can agree with certain statements but not teach them to your children.


First of all, you wouldn't be talking to your children about porn when they are at a highly impressionable age. Secondly, how would my opinion about not judging people be a bad influence? Thirdly, if you raise your child to believe that you are to respect everyone, even if you don't agree with them, that's a good thing. Fourthly, where did anyone say anything about teaching kids that porn is ok? My parents didn't sit me down one day and say "porn is ok". I was educated enough and independent enough to make my own decisions about it.


you're exagerating all the basis for your logical conclusions.


What?


you're exagerating
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:50 pm
This argument is getting silly.

How can you even compare a medical examiner to a porn star? A medical examiner performs a much needed public service while a porn star f**ks on film for cash. Sure an MEs job might be disgusting to some people but it is a worthy and neccesary service.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:53 pm
Lots of folks find police and forensic work interesting. Mrs./Dr. Drew worked for the prison system for a time and was fascinated by the psychopaths. Almost went in for forensic psychology, but it wasn't really compatible with raising a family.

I'm not sure that being a medical examiner is any more difficult than working in an ER, or being an EMT, or a firefighter, or any number of specialized jobs.












But just imagine: Cracking open someone's cadaver to find it full of spiders that start to crawl all over you!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:59 pm
Bella Dea wrote:

Now, would a "normal" person want to do this? THis isn't detail oriented. This can be downright disgusting. Nothing like sawing a persons head open and putting their brain on a scale next to you. Or boiling a skull in order to clean it for face reconstruction? Or having to crack the rib cage of a person to get to their innards?


not to change the subject..
But i would love to do that for a living.
I am not a whole person. Truthfully..
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:59 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
This argument is getting silly.

How can you even compare a medical examiner to a porn star? A medical examiner performs a much needed public service while a porn star f**ks on film for cash. Sure an MEs job might be disgusting to some people but it is a worthy and neccesary service.


You can compare it because some people can't fathom how any normal person could do the work of an ME. Just like you can't fathom that normal people would do the work of a porn star. Some people don't want an autopsy performed because it is desecration of the body. Some people don't agree with porn because it's "not normal" sex.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:59 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
This argument is getting silly.


A number of responses came to mind. Here they are, in no particular order.

1. Well, it is A2K.
2. Who are you, Graham Chapman?
3. YOU'RE NOT MY DAD!
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:00 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:

Now, would a "normal" person want to do this? THis isn't detail oriented. This can be downright disgusting. Nothing like sawing a persons head open and putting their brain on a scale next to you. Or boiling a skull in order to clean it for face reconstruction? Or having to crack the rib cage of a person to get to their innards?


not to change the subject..
But i would love to do that for a living.
I am not a whole person. Truthfully..


Me too. I started school for it but stopped when I realized I had 10 years of med school for it. I just didn't have the ambition when I though that once I got into it, there would be a chance I'd hate it.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:03 pm
DrewDad wrote:

I'm not sure that being a medical examiner is any more difficult than working in an ER, or being an EMT, or a firefighter, or any number of specialized jobs.

But just imagine: Cracking open someone's cadaver to find it full of spiders that start to crawl all over you!


THAT was the kind of crap that I thought "Hm, maybe I COULDN'T handle that. Bugs (which are inevitable with this job) and really horrible acts.
I mean, phone call at 3am on a snowing, cold winter night to deal with the body of a 7 year old, raped and mutilated in a field somewhere. Sad
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:04 pm
Not to mention, having to move to an area where an ME is needed. The jobs aren't dimes a dozen and people have them for a long time. But the pay is phenomenal!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:06 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
This argument is getting silly.

How can you even compare a medical examiner to a porn star? A medical examiner performs a much needed public service while a porn star f**ks on film for cash. Sure an MEs job might be disgusting to some people but it is a worthy and neccesary service.


You can compare it because some people can't fathom how any normal person could do the work of an ME. Just like you can't fathom that normal people would do the work of a porn star. Some people don't want an autopsy performed because it is desecration of the body. Some people don't agree with porn because it's "not normal" sex.

Having seen some research on who becomes a prostitute, who becomes involved in porn, etc., I'd have to say that there is some empirical evidence that lots of folks in the sex industries have issues. Also, that being involved in sex industries is a direct result of the issues. Finally, that there are more adaptive ways of dealing with said issues.

By more adaptive, I mean more likely to have a good life-outcome. The sex industries are full of exploitation, physical abuse, emotional abuse, drugs, and STDs.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:15 pm
it does take some sort of sexual damage to a person to feel that sex is good to sell.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:22 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
it does take some sort of sexual damage to a person to feel that sex is good to sell.


Why?

(which has been the question all along and no one has answered)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:24 pm
I'm not sure what I think about the general question.

I think that for this specific guy, who has been raped/ sexually abused, it's a bad idea. The author of "Lucky" (forget her name) speaks about going through a similar phase after being raped -- it was not a good or healing phase for her. I think therapy is in order, and that doing porn at this point could exacerbate what problems he has.

Or more specifically: I don't know much about the subject, but if this were my kid, I would be making sure he got adequate therapy and then talking to therapists myself for what to watch for, how to handle given situations, etc. Since it's not an area I know a lot about, I might be convinced that doing this would actually be a way for him to deal with the trauma, but from my current non-expert perspective can't quite imagine it.

At any rate, that would be job one for me -- determining through research/ consultation with experts how the sexual abuse and porn would interact, and taking a much stronger stand than baseline if indications were that it would be dangerous for this specific guy.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:27 pm
DrewDad wrote:
A number of responses came to mind. Here they are, in no particular order.

1. Well, it is A2K.


Good point.

DrewDad wrote:
2. Who are you, Graham Chapman?


No. I'm jpinMilwaukee


DrewDad wrote:
3. YOU'RE NOT MY DAD!


And you're lucky that I'm not. If i wass and you took that tone of voice with me... why... I might have to take you out back for a good switching :wink:
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:31 pm
You guys make me laugh. Laughing
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 01:34 pm
sozobe wrote:
At any rate, that would be job one for me -- determining through research/ consultation with experts how the sexual abuse and porn would interact, and taking a much stronger stand than baseline if indications were that it would be dangerous for this specific guy.


If???

This is what I don't get. We aren't talking about just a job that some people could not do themselves (i.e. a medical examiner). We are talking about a profession that is dangerous to the individual. Lets just forget the facts about abuse, being de-humanized, drugs, emotional/psychological aspects of it. The simple risk of contracting STDs is a FACT and not something that people thinking rationally would normally put themselves in. This IS a dangerous profession no matter what condition your psychological state is in.

It isn't just casual sex for sex or sex for money.
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