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Pat Robertson Calls for Assassination of Hugo Chavez!!!

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:46 am
old europe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Chavez maintains close ties to the FARC and ELN Marxist / drug trafficking guerrilla terrorists that operate in Colombia. Members of these organizations, together with Cuban citizens who support his "revolution", operate freely in Venezuela and have been inducted covertly into the Venezuelan military forces.


The US maintained closer ties to the likes of Somoza, Batista, Duvalier or Pinochet - to name just a view - than Chavez does to the FARC or ELN.

Apart from that, he was democratically elected (like Allende, for example) - the Human Rights Watch says about the elections

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Venezuelan democracy passed an important test in August 2004 when it held, in a lawful and peaceful manner, a national referendum to determine whether President Hugo Chávez should remain in office. According to election authorities and international observers, a solid majority of Venezuelans voted in favor of the president's continued tenure.


His social reform include Barrio Adentro, an initiative to provide free health care to the poor, Mission Robinson, an alphabetization program, and Mission Sucre to increase basic education.

That does not make him a saint.

Nevertheless, I suspect you're not criticizing him for what he is doing. I guess you're criticizing him for being a socialist.


You can call a turd a rose if you wish, but it still smells like sh!t.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:47 am
McGentrix wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
McG, do you condone Robertson's statement or not?

He is clearly not seen as a crackpot by many on the religious right and has not been condemned by any of the other leaders of that movement. He is a religious leader. I think he's a crackpot, but clearly he's not just some fringe preacher. He's a leader of christian conservatives and he has a very large audience.

Your support for Robertson sickens me.


I have said nothing about Robertson that would lead you to believe I supported him. All I have done is condemn Chavez for the bad guy he is instead of defending him as some sort of revolutionary hero.


We have seen this all before from you McG. Different country; different dictator; different proponent of taking him out. Same reaction from you.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:49 am
McGentrix wrote:
You can call a turd a rose if you wish, but it still smells like sh!t.


That's all you have? Substance, McGentrix. Substance.

Why is he a bad guy? Hmm? Some thoughts about that?
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:51 am
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I have said nothing about Robertson that would lead you to believe I supported him. All I have done is condemn Chavez for the bad guy he is instead of defending him as some sort of revolutionary hero.


Well, I'm sure there is a Chavez thread around here where that sort of thing would be more to the point. But again, this is about a religious leader in America advocating assassination of an elected leader of a sovereign nation. You ok with that? What's your take? Anything besides Chavez, Chavez, Chavez?


Sorry, Duck. Embarrassed

Yes, there was for example this thread....
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:55 am
McGentrix you're all pent up buddy. Relax. Take some time. Smell the turds. :wink:
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:56 am
No worries, old europe. I didn't mean to be the thread police -- just trying to thwart a certain well-known tactic.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:06 am
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html

"(CNN) -- Conservative religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Wednesday that his remarks about the removal of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez were taken out of context and that he never called for the killing of the Latin American leader.

"I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP [Associated Press], but that happens all the time," Robertson said on "The 700 Club" program."

Oh..I see know...You meant TAKE HIM OUT TO DINNER...no...TAKE HIM OUT TO A BALL GAME, that MUST be it.

See that happens to me all the time too.

This clown must be the dumbest person on the planet. ANYONE who subscribes to whatever service this nit-wit provides is as dumb as he is.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:15 am
Laughing woiyo. That's hilarious.
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yitwail
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:17 am
old europe wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Well, I'm sure there is a Chavez thread around here where that sort of thing would be more to the point. But again, this is about a religious leader in America advocating assassination of an elected leader of a sovereign nation. You ok with that? What's your take? Anything besides Chavez, Chavez, Chavez?


Sorry, Duck. Embarrassed

Yes, there was for example this thread....


a thread to which McGentrix, for one, inexplicably neglected to append a single comment. hard to believe Chavez is much more of a terrorist/communist threat now than he was in February. seems to me that Pat Robertson's fatwa has focused attention on Chavez, which belies the spin that Robertson is merely a private citizen expressing himself. fact is, Robertson & Jerry Falwell are the two best-known Christian fundamentalists, and fundamentalists exert strong influence on domestic policy in areas such as abortion, stem-cell research, gay marriage, and school biology curricula. so when Robertson gives his "blessing" to an assassination of a democratically elected head of state, it surprises me that anyone in his socio-political camp that disagrees with assassination as a policy would choose not to denounce Robertson in the strongest terms.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:24 am
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yitwail
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:26 am
woiyo wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html
Oh..I see know...You meant TAKE HIM OUT TO DINNER...no...TAKE HIM OUT TO A BALL GAME, that MUST be it.


it beats a 200 billion dollar war, as he said. should have taken saddam out to a night on the town.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:38 am
yitwail wrote:
woiyo wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html
Oh..I see know...You meant TAKE HIM OUT TO DINNER...no...TAKE HIM OUT TO A BALL GAME, that MUST be it.


it beats a 200 billion dollar war, as he said. should have taken saddam out to a night on the town.


Saddam threatened the Security of the US.

Chavez does not.

Big difference.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:40 am
Quote:
Saddam threatened the Security of the US.


Really?

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:43 am
Ok, not here. There's only room for one demonized-leader-of-a-foreign-country-with-oil-resources here.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:47 am
Robertson is now lying through his teeth...he did say assassinate.
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Robertson lies about his Chavez comments; claims he "didn't say 'assassination' "


Responding on the August 24 broadcast of The 700 Club to the outcry over his August 22 comments calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, Pat Robertson falsely denied that he used the word "assassination" and claimed that he was "misinterpreted" by the Associated Press, which first reported the story following Media Matters for America's posting of the transcript and video clip of his comments. Robertson claimed that what he had said on August 22 was that the U.S. should "take him [Chavez] out," adding that "there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him." In fact, Robertson did use the word "assassination" in the August 22 broadcast and said, "f he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

video available here
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:50 am
--FROM THE CHRISTIAN BROADCAST NETWORK'S WEBSITE TODAY--

Reaction to Robertson's Comments on Chavez
By Dale Hurd
CBN News Sr. Reporter

CBN.com - (CBN News) - It seems that the whole world is talking about Pat Robertson's comment that Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez should be done away with.

That reaction followed a CBN News investigation into the potential danger from the South American dictator. CBN News now looks at the response, ranging from the Venezuelan government to its chief ally, Fidel Castro.

This has now become a top subject in the American mainstream.

After the comments made about Chávez on this program, the Venezuelan Ambassador to Washington, Bernardo Alverez, said, "It is essential that the U.S. government guarantee (Chávez') safety when he visits (the United States) in the future. We are concerned about the safety of our president."

Chávez, who was in Cuba at the time, responded by saying he preferred to "talk about life." But Castro, referring to comments made on this program, said, "Only God can punish crimes of such magnitude. I always say that God helps Chávez and his friends."

While in Cuba, where he is galvanizing his anti-American alliance with Castro, Chávez launched a fresh round of anti-American attacks, calling U.S. imperialism "the grand destroyer of the world, and the greatest threat…"

He called President Bush the "lord of war," and vowed to come to Cuba's defense if the U.S. ever attacked the island. But that might be considered mild rhetoric for Chávez, who in past speeches has called Bush obscene names, and made sexually suggestive comments about Condoleezza Rice.

Only recently has Washington seemed to care about Chávez, despite the fact that Chávez has courted almost every adversary of the United States, from Saddam Hussein to Iran. Chávez also stands accused of helping the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia) narco-terrorists, and was embarrassed a few months ago when Colombian bounty hunters nabbed a FARC official living near Caracas, apparently under government protection.

Chávez once wrote a fan letter to the Venezuelan-born terrorist Carlos the Jackal, that began with the words "distinguished compatriot." Chávez later gave the brother of the terrorist a job in his oil ministry.

And Chávez was a student of a noted Argentine neo-fascist and holocaust-denier named Norberto Ceresole. While anti-Semitism does not seem to be widespread in Venezuela, the government sometimes blames Venezuela's troubles on Jews and Israeli intelligence.

A former aide to Chávez once claimed that he was instructed to deliver $1 million to al-Qaeda after 9-11. The Venezuelan government said the money was given to the UN for Afghan refugees.

But most troubling to some is Chávez' announced intention to develop a nuclear program with the help of Iran. Washington's strategy has seemed to be one of containment. But Chávez has begun trying to use Venezuela's oil wealth to replace U.S. influence in Latin America.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/050824a.asp

This is the "news" according the the Christian Broadcast Network.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:57 am
Good. So despite the fact that he was legally and peacefully confirmed in a national referendum he's now being called a "South American dictator". Well, he must be evil, because he called U.S. imperialism "the grand destroyer of the world, and the greatest threat…"

So we have a "dictator" who is "insulting" the US, who has oil and who allegedly has ties to Al Qaida and intentions to develop a nuclear program.

Pattern?
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yitwail
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:58 am
blatham wrote:
In fact, Robertson did use the word "assassination" in the August 22 broadcast and said, "f he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."


yup, but Dr. Robertson's a wily lawyer, ala Bill Clinton. he could claim that he meant go ahead and "try to assassinate" in the sense of going through motions to scare him off as opposed to actually assassinating. Razz
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:01 pm
Blatham wrote:
Robertson is now lying through his teeth...he did say assassinate


But note that "assassinate" was Chavez's word. Robertson's was "do it". Will your librul bigotry never end?

Birds do it (snip)
Bees do it (snip)
Robertson suggests that "we" do it. (snip)
Let's do it -- let's fahall in love!


You're such a strict constructionist when it comes to Robertson's lyrics, it totally blinds you to his message of peace and love. And what could be more Christian than peace and love, right?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:37 pm
kickycan wrote:
...Reaction to Robertson's Comments on Chavez
By Dale Hurd
CBN News Sr. Reporter

CBN.com - (CBN News) - It seems that the whole world is talking about Pat Robertson's comment that Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez should be done away with.

That reaction followed a CBN News investigation into the potential danger from the South American dictator. CBN News now looks at the response, ranging from the Venezuelan government to its chief ally, Fidel Castro...


and venezuela/chavez/castro has what, exactly, to do with christianity ?

nothing.

unless there's a passage in the bible that i missed that fortells the rise of the anti-christ from the tropical environs of venezuela, or something.

the goodly reverend robertson has made a mockery of his own religion. and not for the first time.

this is the same alledged "man of god" who is urging his followers to actively pray for more vacancies on the supreme court. this is the same alledged "man of god" who, along with that other icon of christian righteousness, jerry falwell, sat there pontificating (as the wtc burned & crumbled ) that the gays and lesbians, and the aclu and the supreme court bore the responsibility for the attack.

is this the kind of "person of faith" that i am so supposed to respect ? no.

will any condemnation of robertson's out of line comments be called "an attack on people of faith" ? wouldn't surprise me. that's the fallback position when his type of christian is faced with defending the indefensible. and that is pretty much what most of the dreck coming from snake oil salesmen such as roberts, falwell, dobson and jones is; indefensible.

just like the type of islam sold by osama bin laden, this type of christian leader or minister pours out nothing but hatred, intolerance and fear. but, when confronted by people of reason, they hide behind their book, pointing at it and exclaiming; "look! it says love !!", "why are you attacking us???".

they prattle on and on about the ten commandments, yet by the words of his own mouth, robertson incourages the abandonment of what is arguably the most high instruction from god; "thou shalt not kill".

charlatans, this bunch.
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