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Pat Robertson Calls for Assassination of Hugo Chavez!!!

 
 
squinney
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 07:28 am
What has Chavez done?

I knew about the attempted coup in 2002, but didn't even then understand what was so bad about him. Will have to look up some info when we get back from school orientation, but in the meantime, my recollection is that he's a little too much like a Democrat for the current administration.

Don't recall Clinton having a problem with him. Anyone know what he's doing politically that is so horrible?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 07:31 am
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
I get it. So we are talking degrees of statements and actions. Some statements/actions, those deemed worse than others, open an individual to criticism, name-calling, motive questioning and such, while other less offending speech/actions should not be questioned?

So who decides where the line is drawn? I am not attempting to defend what Mr. Robertson said, just trying to understand the hypocrisy of those who believe it is justified to call him names, etc while saying people have no right at all to question the motives of Ms. Sheehan.


Out of curiosity who is saying we have no rights to question the motives of Ms. Sheehan?


Read a few of the Sheehan threads. You'll see what I mean, I think.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 07:49 am
Here's one description of what was happening:

Quote:
Another Bush Coup? America's Dirty Hands in Venezuela
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | April 19, 2002

News of the abortive coup attempt in Venezuela against the government of President Hugo Chavez has been coming fast and furious in recent days. No mainstream reports have managed to reveal the story in its entirety to date, but an amazing picture has begun to coalesce. Venezuela's democracy, emerging as a beacon of progressive leadership in South America, was attacked by business interests that wished to wrestle control of that nation away from a legitimately elected leader. It is an old story in that part of the world, but this time around the ending was different. Democracy in Venezuela survived its attempted murder, essentially because the people took to the streets and saved it.

The details in brief: Hugo Chavez won two Presidential elections in Venezuela, in 1998 and in 2000, by the largest margins in forty years. Upon his rise, he instituted a number of socially progressive programs, based upon a concept called Bolivarianism, aimed at elevating the standard of living for his people. Chavez ratified a new Constitution guaranteeing new rights for women and indigenous peoples. He cleared out the plague of graft and corruption in Venezuelan government by restructuring the legislative and judicial branches. He instituted a government-funded breakfast and lunch program for schoolchildren that has helped increase enrollment by over a million students. He provided free health care and public education up to the university level.

How, you ask, did he pay for all these programs? This is the $64,000 question...or to be more accurate, the multi-billion dollar question. The answer lies in the small word that has so dominated American foreign policy: oil. Venezuela is a major source of petroleum, historically providing between 15% to 40% of America's imported supply. Canada and Iraq, by comparison, make up only 26% of our imported oil. Chavez's country is, without doubt, the most important nation to America on this side of the planet because of this.

Chavez redirected vast sums of money from Venezuela's petroleum production away from the multinationals, which had been profiting wildly, towards his progressive government programs. That alone was enough to draw the ire of the American petroleum industry and the IMF. But Chavez also became deeply involved with OPEC when Venezuela took over the leadership of that entity, giving it a burst of new influence that caused a spike in the price of a barrel of oil. Once drawing only $8, the price of a barrel of oil went as high as $27 on the international market after Chavez got involved. Not long after Bush took office, the decision was made: Chavez had to go.

It began with propaganda, as it always does. After Chavez won for the first time in 1998, he was labeled a demagogue and an authoritarian by members of the mainstream American media. The drumbeat of criticism from 'journalists,' whose fealty to the truth apparently came second to their support of business, continues to this day. George W. himself chimed in at one point, making the claim that Chavez's earning of a majority of the vote in two separate elections did not necessarily confer legitimacy upon his administration.

Yes, he actually said that. Go figure.


READ THE REST HERE
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 08:01 am
Oh so it's force a false democracy in Iraq and overturn a real democracy in Venezuela. Common denominator = oil.

Not that I'm surprised, it's just nice to have it all clarified.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 08:37 am
BBB
Pat Robertson should be confined for life to the depths of one of the many diamond mines he owns without any communication equipment. He would be content to stare at the wealth source he loves and not have to worry about politics while praying his stupid head off.

BBB
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yitwail
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 10:01 am
He's not doing any interviews, so i submitted this question to him for use on an upcoming 700 Club broadcast through the CBN website:

Dr. Robertson, what Biblical passages justify your call for the assassination of Mr. Chavez?

if i get a response, i'll post it.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 11:35 am
CoastalRat wrote:
Kinda like Ms. Sheehan.


i don't see what sheehan has to do with this topic. she wasn't mentioned in any of the reports on the subject.

the story is, that you have a christian minister; head of very influential religious media machine and a powerful political organization called the christian coalition, calling for the assassination of another country's democratically elected president. and disregarding one of the most important of the very ten commandments that he propounds so vociferously.

that is the story.

bringing sheehan into it is only an attempt make an irrelevant dig at "the left". who, as i mentioned have no part in the news reported.

so the only value of bringing up sheehan is to, as usual, spin the discussion off into anything other than the report of robertson's outlandish behavior.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 11:44 am
Whenever one takes christians to task for the murderous behavior of other christians, one is quickly assured that those are not true christians. Therefore, i would think it safe to assume that any true christian who shows up here is obliged to assert that Mr. Robertson is not a true christian.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:03 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
Kinda like Ms. Sheehan.


i don't see what sheehan has to do with this topic. she wasn't mentioned in any of the reports on the subject.

the story is, that you have a christian minister; head of very influential religious media machine and a powerful political organization called the christian coalition, calling for the assassination of another country's democratically elected president. and disregarding one of the most important of the very ten commandments that he propounds so vociferously.

that is the story.

bringing sheehan into it is only an attempt make an irrelevant dig at "the left". who, as i mentioned have no part in the news reported.

so the only value of bringing up sheehan is to, as usual, spin the discussion off into anything other than the report of robertson's outlandish behavior.


Of course you are correct. Mr. Robertson, a public figure, made a comment that many, if not most of us, find ridiculous. He suggested something that we find to be quite repugnant. So we begin the name-calling, the questioning of his judgement and so on and so forth. Sounds like exactly what y'all complained that some were doing to Ms. Sheehan.

So which is it? Do we get to question/make fun of/call names of public figures or should we not? It is no wonder so many conservatives have trouble finding common ground with liberals, you guys keep changing the rules to suit your needs.

Chrissee has already made plain that there is a difference between public figures and public officials. According to her, officials are fair game but figures are not and we should lay off of Ms. Sheehan. Well, seems Mr. Robertson is a figure, not an official. But I guess the rule is different when it is a conservative getting lambasted for their actions/words.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:09 pm
You should take that up with Chrissee, it seems to me.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:12 pm
I don't think she was the only one with that point of view, but the names of others who jumped in on that basic theme currently escape my memory.

But Kicky, if you were not involved, then you have my permission to join me in questioning Mr. Robertson's sanity and intelligence in making the statement he did. Smile
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:19 pm
I never told anyone they shouldn't be allowed to jump all over Sheehan for things that she has said. If you disagree with what she stands for, have at her, I say.

So, in conclusion, let me state for the record that Pat Robertson is a delusional pinhead. Smile
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:43 pm
Quote:
A spokeswoman for the Christian Broadcasting Network told the BBC: "We are at a time of war and Pat had war on his mind when he made the comments."
Source
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:46 pm
We're at war with VENEZUELA???
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 01:48 pm
We're at war with VENEZUELA??? When did this happen? Where have I been?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 04:03 pm
CoastalRat wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Why are you concerned about what this radical nutcase has to say?

He is in no position of influence and not involved in legislation . He is just a private citizen with an opinion.


Kinda like Ms. Sheehan. Oh wait, but we can't question her because....why was that again? Oh yeah, because the left says so.

EDITED NOTE: I am not a big fan of Mr. Robertson simply because he says things such as this without thinking about what he is saying.


Lol - is she advocating the murder of a duly elected leader of another country - in a country which has a history of arranging the murder of leaders it doesn't like?

How utterly ridiculous your comparison is.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 04:16 pm
Compassionate conservative assassinations. It's a brave new world.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 04:26 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
We're at war with VENEZUELA??? When did this happen? Where have I been?


Of course not. We're at war with "terror"! If there is terror in Venezuela, then by god, we should attack it!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 04:26 pm
Well, hopefully no assassination will result!

But - do these people not have panting millions of our less intellectually gifted christians hanging on their every word?

One would hope some sort of official negative comment will be made about his nonsense - from your political and religious leadership.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 04:33 pm
kickycan wrote:
So, in conclusion, let me state for the record that Pat Robertson is a delusional pinhead. Smile


A gross insult to inoffensive and harmless pinheads everywhere.
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