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Pat Robertson Calls for Assassination of Hugo Chavez!!!

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 06:47 am
FreeDuck wrote:
That is so typical, McG. This thread is not about Chavez, it's about Pat Robertson.


Really? Then why were the following comments made and skipped by you?

old europe wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
Chavez is probably the first Venezuelan leader who has ever actually done some positive things for the Venezuelans people instead of playing footsie with US big oil interests. No wonder the relligious right hates him.


Especially for the poor Venezuelans. Like the alphabetization program. Or the medical-oil swap, where 20,000 Cubans, including more than 14,000 physicians, were sent to treat poor Venezuelans for free. In exchange, Venezuela ships Cuba 90,000 barrels of oil a day under preferential terms.

Social programs and selling oil to Cuba? He must be evil...


Setanta wrote:
Next thing ya know, he's gonna start public schools and voter registration programs . . . is there no end to his depravity ? ! ? ! ?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:00 am
McGentrix wrote:

Really? Then why were the following comments made and skipped by you?


Because I had nothing to say about it, that's why. I don't know enough about Venezuela to know whether it's true or not. Why didn't you address those comments directly with evidence that they were incorrect, if they are?

Do you know of any other way to react to a story besides "demonize and defend"? Go on ahead and start a thread where you enumerate the evils of Chavez and we can all discuss it there. Either way, there is no difference between what Pat Robertson is advocating and the religious fatwas that come down from the muslim extremists. Why don't you just go ahead and agree, if you can do it without making yourself sick.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:02 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Either way, there is no difference between what Pat Robertson is advocating and the religious fatwas that come down from the muslim extremists.


I agree. I am really surprised (maybe I shouldn't be) that all thinking people don't see Robertson's remarks for what they are.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:03 am
I would suggest you read up on Old Europes buddy Chavez before you start defending comments made about him.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:06 am
McGentrix- Chavez could be the worst person on the planet, but that is no reason for calling for his assassination. Good grief....................even Saddam Hussein is getting a trial. Are we a nation of laws, or a bunch of wild west cowboys?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:07 am
There we go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chavez

And don't get on my back because it's Wikipedia, I tried to call Sean Hannity but he's not talking to me.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:07 am
McGentrix wrote:
Wow. You guys sure make Chavez look almost saintly.


How so? Because people are pointing out that he's using vast sums of money to help the poor? Don't know if that makes him look saintly. But maybe you just didn't know about that.

McGentrix wrote:
That figures though. He is a terrorist sympathizer and we all know that makes him alright in the liberal handbook.


He's a terrorist sympathizer? Like in "He has connections to Al Qaida"? Or maybe like in "He was behind 9/11"? I didn't know we were at that stage already!

Really, McGentrix, where do you get that from?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:11 am
He wants you to "read up" at Fox News, or Free Republic. To the Freepers, Chavez is the very Devil himself. The right wingnuts are honked off because he's left-wing, very likely a socialist, and there's not a damned thing they can do about it. The frustration is killing them, on those occasions when they recall that there even is such a place as Venezuela. For most of their daily lives, they don't give that nation or Chavez a second thought.

Even if Chavez were the reincarnation of Lenin, Robertson's behavior is despicable in someone calling himself a christian. No amount of McG's typical knee-jerk reactive sneers will change that.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:12 am
McGentrix wrote:
I would suggest you read up on Old Europes buddy Chavez before you start defending comments made about him.


I would suggest you re-read my post before you accuse me of defending anything. Why are you defending Pat Robertson's comments?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:13 am
Looks like Chavez is a democratic socialist. Good. I like that. Perhaps he can make it work which would be great.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:18 am
old europe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Wow. You guys sure make Chavez look almost saintly.


How so? Because people are pointing out that he's using vast sums of money to help the poor? Don't know if that makes him look saintly. But maybe you just didn't know about that.

McGentrix wrote:
That figures though. He is a terrorist sympathizer and we all know that makes him alright in the liberal handbook.


He's a terrorist sympathizer? Like in "He has connections to Al Qaida"? Or maybe like in "He was behind 9/11"? I didn't know we were at that stage already!

Really, McGentrix, where do you get that from?


Chavez maintains close ties to the FARC and ELN Marxist / drug trafficking guerrilla terrorists that operate in Colombia. Members of these organizations, together with Cuban citizens who support his "revolution", operate freely in Venezuela and have been inducted covertly into the Venezuelan military forces. Not every terrorist organization involves al Qaeda or had involvement with 9/11. Your support for Chavez sickens me.

As for Robertson's comments, read the following summation by Boortz:

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WHY ALL THE ATTENTION

So why is all of this attention being paid to Pat Robertson's comment that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez should be assassinated? Story after story, newscast after newscast, it's being broadcast as if what Pat Robertson says actually means anything. So why all the coverage?

Come on, folks. This one is easy. The media takes a crackpot like Pat Robertson and uses him to paint all Republicans and Bush supporters as nut jobs ready to form assassination squads to send out around the world to whack leaders we don't like. This story fits the media template. Robertson is a Bush supporter. The story, therefore, damages Bush. This means the story gets pushed. Never mind that Robertson is not a spokesperson for any of those organizations and has nothing to do with policy. Doesn't matter. It's all about following the Bush-bashing template.

So now we get to hear about this over and over again, as if it actually matters. Donald Rumsfeld's response was perfect...private citizens say things all the time. Once again, the leftist tilt of the mainstream media rears it's ugly head. It's worth noting that when certain fringe wacko liberals were calling for the assassination of George Bush, the press was strangely silent.

Oh and somebody actually went down to Venezuela and got a reaction from Hugo Chavez. He called Pat Robertson a terrorist. It really must be a slow news week. Perhaps the media could regale us with the other thoughts of Pat Robertson.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:21 am
I would like to see the FBI take Robertson into custody.

Venezuela is a sovereign nation and is of no security risk to the US. Even if Chavez is successful in leading them to a form of socialism, again, it is of no security risk to this nation and none of our business.

There really is nothing to debate here excpet that Robertson has proven himself to be another "religious" fraud.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:22 am
Well-said, Woiyo. Thank you for an injection of common sense.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:29 am
"Chavez maintains close ties to the FARC and ELN Marxist / drug trafficking guerrilla terrorists that operate in Colombia. Members of these organizations, together with Cuban citizens who support his "revolution", operate freely in Venezuela and have been inducted covertly into the Venezuelan military forces. Not every terrorist organization involves al Qaeda or had involvement with 9/11. Your support for Chavez sickens me."

While you are most likely correct in your asertions, I must question how this currently effects the security of the US?

It's not as if "Govt sponsered" drug trafficking in S. America is bankrolling Muslim terrorist organizations (as far as we know today).
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:31 am
McG, do you condone Robertson's statement or not?

He is clearly not seen as a crackpot by many on the religious right and has not been condemned by any of the other leaders of that movement. He is a religious leader. I think he's a crackpot, but clearly he's not just some fringe preacher. He's a leader of christian conservatives and he has a very large audience.

Your support for Robertson sickens me.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:38 am
McGentrix wants to kill all "lefties" kill kill kill
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:41 am
Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:42 am
FreeDuck wrote:
McG, do you condone Robertson's statement or not?

He is clearly not seen as a crackpot by many on the religious right and has not been condemned by any of the other leaders of that movement. He is a religious leader. I think he's a crackpot, but clearly he's not just some fringe preacher. He's a leader of christian conservatives and he has a very large audience.

Your support for Robertson sickens me.


I have said nothing about Robertson that would lead you to believe I supported him. All I have done is condemn Chavez for the bad guy he is instead of defending him as some sort of revolutionary hero.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:43 am
McGentrix wrote:
Chavez maintains close ties to the FARC and ELN Marxist / drug trafficking guerrilla terrorists that operate in Colombia. Members of these organizations, together with Cuban citizens who support his "revolution", operate freely in Venezuela and have been inducted covertly into the Venezuelan military forces.


The US maintained closer ties to the likes of Somoza, Batista, Duvalier or Pinochet - to name just a view - than Chavez does to the FARC or ELN.

Apart from that, he was democratically elected (like Allende, for example) - the Human Rights Watch says about the elections

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Venezuelan democracy passed an important test in August 2004 when it held, in a lawful and peaceful manner, a national referendum to determine whether President Hugo Chávez should remain in office. According to election authorities and international observers, a solid majority of Venezuelans voted in favor of the president's continued tenure.


His social reform include Barrio Adentro, an initiative to provide free health care to the poor, Mission Robinson, an alphabetization program, and Mission Sucre to increase basic education.

That does not make him a saint.

Nevertheless, I suspect you're not criticizing him for what he is doing. I guess you're criticizing him for being a socialist.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 07:45 am
McGentrix wrote:
I have said nothing about Robertson that would lead you to believe I supported him. All I have done is condemn Chavez for the bad guy he is instead of defending him as some sort of revolutionary hero.


Well, I'm sure there is a Chavez thread around here where that sort of thing would be more to the point. But again, this is about a religious leader in America advocating assassination of an elected leader of a sovereign nation. You ok with that? What's your take? Anything besides Chavez, Chavez, Chavez?
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