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Sheehan shirking taxes why again?

 
 
goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:19 am
Chrissee wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
When did the sex lives of politicians become an issue? Just a question.


That is is a separate issue. (I think it really started when Gary Hart challenged that Miami Herald reporter to follow him around.)There used to be a modicum of civilty in politics. Now, since Lee Atwater and Rove anything is fair game.

What really illustrates how low these lower than the lowest scum of the earth have become in their panic to discredit Cindy is this. Even the divorces of public officials running for high office are considered off limits unless there are unusual circumstances like infidelity.



I'm indebted to you for the reminder about Gary Hart. It goes back further than I thought. But it isn't a separate issue The issue is when did personal attacks take the place of policy discussion?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:22 am
Chrissee wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
I already said I couldn't find verification and the statistic true or not is essential to my point.


I think this is what Baldimo is pointing out Chrissee. You are using a stat that, in your words, whether true or not, supports your point. But if the stat is not true, then how does it support your point?


I think if you re-read the post, you could clearly ascertain that what I meant to say was that IT IS NOT ESSENTIAL TO MY POINT.


And, of course, you did, that is why you jumped on my last post before the ink even dried and I edited it. Funny and I was just talking avout intellectual dishonesty.


Don't be stupid Chrissee. I read a post and responded to what I thought was a statement either in error or just plain dumb. Please tell me how I was supposed to read your mind and know you were going to edit it?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:24 am
Well that's a good point, gf. I am not a historian, but suppose that smear campaigns are as old as democracy itself. In recent history, we had Joe McCarthy who begot Nixon who begot Lee Atwater who bigot Karl Rove.

The majjor point here us try to smear Cindy as if she is a politician is about as low as it has ever gotten. This tactic is backfiring like nothing before as anyone with an ounce of decency realizes how low it is.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:27 am
CoastalRat wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
I already said I couldn't find verification and the statistic true or not is essential to my point.


I think this is what Baldimo is pointing out Chrissee. You are using a stat that, in your words, whether true or not, supports your point. But if the stat is not true, then how does it support your point?


I think if you re-read the post, you could clearly ascertain that what I meant to say was that IT IS NOT ESSENTIAL TO MY POINT.


And, of course, you did, that is why you jumped on my last post before the ink even dried and I edited it. Funny and I was just talking avout intellectual dishonesty.


Don't be stupid Chrissee. I read a post and responded to what I thought was a statement either in error or just plain dumb. Please tell me how I was supposed to read your mind and know you were going to edit it?


Anyway, it was a typo. I edited it and it is no longer an issue.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:29 am
True, it is not an issue now and I understand what you were saying. It now makes sense. Thank you.

And have a good day Chrissee.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:31 am
CR, did I ever mention how much I like you? Let's go have a beer.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:31 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Again, Baldimo, why aren''t you in Iraq?


What's with all the personal questions? You like prying into the affairs of those you argue with here, don't you ... wondering what type of law I practice ... now quizzing Baldimo on his personal life.

Are you sweet on us?


Us? Actually the mere thought makes me nauseous. Why are you defending Baldimo now. Are you sweet on him?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:33 am
FreeDuck wrote:
CR, did I ever mention how much I like you? Let's go have a beer.


I don't much care for beer, but I could stand for a Marguarita. Laughing

Oh, and you're not so bad yourself FD. If you ever get to Charleston, SC, look me up. We will have that drink.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:37 am
CoastalRat wrote:
True, it is not an issue now and I understand what you were saying. It now makes sense. Thank you.

And have a good day Chrissee.


Thanks, sorry I misunderstand your point and your stance. I get a little emotional about Cindy. I have met her, I know a lot of people who know her, she is totally sincere, she doesn't always say the "right thing" and sometimes her rhetoric becomes emotional. But she is NOT a politician and is NOT being handled and it is NOT fair to treat her like a professional politician or even a polished spokesperson. She is grieveing mother just trying to come to terms with wny her son was, in her view, needlessly sacrificed.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:40 am
You've got a deal there, CR. I take mine with extra lumpy salt on the rim.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:46 am
She is a political activist using her son to further her goals. Where she simply a grieving mother she would not have her face plastered on the news.

The day she decided to make her protest public, she made her life, her decisions and her rhetoric public.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:50 am
McGentrix wrote:
She is a political activist using her son to further her goals. Where she simply a grieving mother she would not have her face plastered on the news.

The day she decided to make her protest public, she made her life, her decisions and her rhetoric public.


Contemptible.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:53 am
McGentrix wrote:
She is a political activist using her son to further her goals. Where she simply a grieving mother she would not have her face plastered on the news.

The day she decided to make her protest public, she made her life, her decisions and her rhetoric public.


Wrong. The mere fact that she has a "politcal agenda" doesn't give the scum of the earth the right to smear her. That you try to paint her as someone who is "using her son to further her goals" reveals much more about you than it does of her.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:55 am
Chrissee wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
True, it is not an issue now and I understand what you were saying. It now makes sense. Thank you.

And have a good day Chrissee.


Thanks, sorry I misunderstand your point and your stance. I get a little emotional about Cindy. I have met her, I know a lot of people who know her, she is totally sincere, she doesn't always say the "right thing" and sometimes her rhetoric becomes emotional. But she is NOT a politician and is NOT being handled and it is NOT fair to treat her like a professional politician or even a polished spokesperson. She is grieveing mother just trying to come to terms with wny her son was, in her view, needlessly sacrificed.


Thanks Chrissee. We all tend to sometimes get a bit emotional. You and I don't agree on much, so it is really good when we can at least agree that Cindy's personal life should be left alone. I still think it is perfectly fine to question her motivations, particularly in light of what she has been saying and doing apart from her protest.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:58 am
Questioning her motivation doesn't mean smearing her in the mode of Rove. But perhaps honest political debate has been lost, shoved out of the collective memory by the smear reflex?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:58 am
Chrissee wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
She is a political activist using her son to further her goals. Where she simply a grieving mother she would not have her face plastered on the news.

The day she decided to make her protest public, she made her life, her decisions and her rhetoric public.


Wrong. The mere fact that she has a "politcal agenda" doesn't give the scum of the earth the right to smear her. That you try to paint her as someone who is "using her son to further her goals" reveals much more about you than it does of her.


I thought Michael Moore was praising Sheehan, not smearing her.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:59 am
Chrissee wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Again, Baldimo, why aren''t you in Iraq?


What's with all the personal questions? You like prying into the affairs of those you argue with here, don't you ... wondering what type of law I practice ... now quizzing Baldimo on his personal life.

Are you sweet on us?


Us? Actually the mere thought makes me nauseous. Why are you defending Baldimo now. Are you sweet on him?


Who's defending Baldimo? He needs no defending ... particularly from the likes of you. You will throw a personal insult his way ... he'll deflect it nonchalantly ... life will go on.

I was pointing out your own predilection towards the personal inquiry. Why can't you restrain yourself to the argument at hand without delving into the personal lives of the posters you are arguing with?
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 07:59 am
Chrissee wrote:
CoastalRat wrote:
True, it is not an issue now and I understand what you were saying. It now makes sense. Thank you.

And have a good day Chrissee.


Thanks, sorry I misunderstand your point and your stance. I get a little emotional about Cindy. I have met her, I know a lot of people who know her, she is totally sincere, she doesn't always say the "right thing" and sometimes her rhetoric becomes emotional. But she is NOT a politician and is NOT being handled and it is NOT fair to treat her like a professional politician or even a polished spokesperson. She is grieveing mother just trying to come to terms with wny her son was, in her view, needlessly sacrificed.


Chrissee,

i agree with you. i think what irritates me most is the frenzy the media is making over this. i have said on many a post here that while i do not agree with her, she has every right to stand up and fight for her beliefs as long as she isn't doing anything illegal, which she isn't. more power to her, she is doing what she thinks is right, i don't agree with her opinion, but its a free country. i feel very badly for her. like you said, she isn't a professional politician, yet is getting treated like one because of the media frenzy around her. regardless of whether or not she thought in advance this much attention would come to her, she truly was not prepared for it.

as far as the title of this thread...so she hasn't paid her taxes. do we know why? (maybe someone mentioned it and i missed it). my thought on this, paying your taxes is what gives you the right to question your elected leader. paying your taxes is a responsibility that we must as americans do. if she truly has been shirking them, then yes her creditibility has taken a slight blow (IMO) because if she can't fulfill her duties as a citizen, then how does she have the right to question her elected leader. however, since we truly don't know the circumstances around her taxes, that remains to be seen, and being the eternal optimist i am, i want to think she has a legitimate reason. this is why i think it is pertinent to her protest. As far as her divorce goes, who cares, it is not in any way pertinent. she isn't trying to make decisions for any constiuency so her personal affairs (other than those related to her taxes which i believe are public record anyway-am i wrong?) shouldn't be considered.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 08:00 am
goodfielder wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
She is a political activist using her son to further her goals. Where she simply a grieving mother she would not have her face plastered on the news.

The day she decided to make her protest public, she made her life, her decisions and her rhetoric public.


Contemptible.


It's a true statement, gf, whether it upsets your stomach or not.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2005 08:03 am
goodfielder wrote:
Questioning her motivation doesn't mean smearing her in the mode of Rove. But perhaps honest political debate has been lost, shoved out of the collective memory by the smear reflex?


I guess it may depend on what you mean by smearing her. As to the issue of her taxes, which was the original subject of this thread, she opened that can of worms herself.

Could you provide examples of postings on A2K where you believe someone is smearing her? That way we will have a point of reference as to what you consider smearing.

Thanks.
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