Sheehan shirking taxes why again?

Tidbit: barbara Bush has 17 children and grandchildren and not one has served in the military.

Can this be true?

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Chrissee wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
Chrissee wrote:
Apparently Baldimo missed this:

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Horowitz, the former left-wing zealot who is now a right-wing zealot, described the woman who has camped out near Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch as "hateful," accused her of dishonoring the memory of her son and promised that if Sheehan and other anti-war activists succeed in bringing an end to the occupation of Iraq then "rivers of blood" will flow in the streets of America.

This is a smear? Did you miss her comments of:

Dude, I don't care what she said, she is just one woman, as grieving mother who is a private citizen, not a politician or professional pundit. Maybe you better go back and read Horowitz's rant, who is a professional pundit with many years experience, do you really want to defend this statement?

Yes,I will defend his statement,for one simple reason.
Just like I will defend Rush,Sean Hannity,Michael Moore,and every other liberal OR conservative pundit.
As US citizens they have the right to say whatever they want to say,even if you disagree with what they say.
Or,are you saying they dont have the right?

BTW,all of the "smear" that you posted comes from private citizens.
I am still waiting for you to provide examples of ANY GOVT OFFICIAL smearing her.

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BTW,all of the "smear" that you posted comes from private citizens.
I am still waiting for you to provide examples of ANY GOVT OFFICIAL smearing her.

No need, there is a veritable pantheon of associated groups and individuals that will do that for the White House. Remember the Swiftboat Veterans? Links right back to Bush. It's a cabal, don't you get it yet? They are all interlinked and the idea is to keep the White House as far as possible away from those doing the smearing. Clever politics and it has worked for Bush for two terms. Always get someone else to do your dirty work for you, develop a framework of "plausible deniability" and there you go. Bush can sit back while the cabal does the work on anyone that dares criticise the Bush White House.

I feel sorry for the decent Americans who really believe that Bush is a good President and the White House is controlled by a good administration. When it comes apart you are going to be very disappointed.

But I promise I won't say I told you so. Unlike Bush/Cheney I don't do triumphalism.

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What CHrissee and most on the left are missing is that many of us on A2K are not questioning her grief, but are questioning her motives.

You must remember she has already met with the President after the death of her son. She had very kind words to say about him after that meeting.

What new information since 2004 has she obtained that was not available then to force a apparent change of opinion?

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When she met with the president before, there wasn't published confirmation that the Iraq invasion was based on false accusations and made up documents.

When she met with the president before, she probably still thought there was a connection between OBL and Iraq.

When she met with the president before, she probably didn't realize the "product rollout' and lies about WMD and yellowcake had nothing to do with the noble cause of protecting our country.

Now she knows.

As Oprah would say "When you know better, you do better."

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woiyo wrote:

What CHrissee and most on the left are missing is that many of us on A2K are not questioning her grief, but are questioning her motives.

You must remember she has already met with the President after the death of her son. She had very kind words to say about him after that meeting.

What new information since 2004 has she obtained that was not available then to force a apparent change of opinion?

Could it be she realises the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been predicated on a crock of lies?

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squinney wrote:

When she met with the president before, there wasn't published confirmation that the Iraq invasion was based on false accusations and made up documents.

When she met with the president before, she probably still thought there was a connection between OBL and Iraq.

When she met with the president before, she probably didn't realize the "product rollout' and lies about WMD and yellowcake had nothing to do with the noble cause of protecting our country.

Now she knows.

As Oprah would say "When you know better, you do better."

Her son died in 2004, April. She met with GW sometime after that date.

What new information has there been since then? The rhetoric about the so called lies and deception have been raging since well before April 2004.

Maybe she should have been reading the papers like you.

Sorry, I have my doubts about her actual motives.

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squinney wrote:

When she met with the president before, there wasn't published confirmation that the Iraq invasion was based on false accusations and made up documents.

And there still isn't. What there is now is what there was then: wild theories of the anti-war left.

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When she met with the president before, she probably still thought there was a connection between OBL and Iraq.

Then she was right back then. Has she since met with Michael Moore and been convinced otherwise?

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woiyo wrote:

What CHrissee and most on the left are missing is that many of us on A2K are not questioning her grief, but are questioning her motives.

You must remember she has already met with the President after the death of her son. She had very kind words to say about him after that meeting.

You are getting your misinformation from the sleazebuckets and haven't listened to what she says or you wouldn't still be posting this nonsense. She has explained all about the first meeting, yet you don't care to listen to her. You only want to discredit her.

Is this some kind of rule that people only get one audience with His Majesty? Does he only allow one meeting with his fundraisers. My God, he fucks around biking and chopping wood all day, flys off to Washington to sign a bill to keep a vegetable alive but he can't find 20 minutes to answer one question from a grieving mother who represents millions of Americans.

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Then she was right back then. Has she since met with Michael Moore and been convinced otherwise?[/quote]

No, as far as I know she hasn't met Michael Moore and she certainly is not influenced by him or anyone else you want to feebly attempt to associate her with in order to smear her.

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Sorry, I have my doubts about her actual motives.

LOL. You don't appear to have much of an ability to get into your own mind, let alone hers.

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Chrissee wrote:

Is this some kind of rule that people only get one audience with His Majesty? Does he only allow one meeting with his fundraisers. My God, he **** around biking and chopping wood all day, flys off to Washington to sign a bill to keep a vegetable alive but he can't find 20 minutes to answer one question from a grieving mother who represents millions of Americans.

Michael Moore represents millions of Americans. Are you suggesting it's the President's duty to meet with him?

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Michael Moore's son didn't die in Iraq. It seems to me that someone trained in law could do better than rebut with such a lame non sequitur. Little wonder that you have so much time to while away the business day with your swill.

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Michael Moore represents millions of Americans.

Actually, he doesn't represent anyone but himself.

The Right has set him up that way, as a convienent punching bag, but it isn't as if he was elected or anyone took a poll or anything.

Cycloptichorn

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Note to the 60% of us who realize what a mistake this Iraq disater is: The Bush apologists are really showing their true colors on this Sheehan issue. Bush has been put on the defensive for the first time by a grieving mother from Vacaville and the righties can't stand it!

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Michael Moore represents millions of Americans.

Actually, he doesn't represent anyone but himself.

The Right has set him up that way, as a convienent punching bag, but it isn't as if he was elected or anyone took a poll or anything.

Cycloptichorn

So it is a strawman non sequitur actually. Hey! That takes skill.

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Chrissee wrote:

Michael Moore's son didn't die in Iraq. It seems to me that someone trained in law could do better than rebut with such a lame non sequitur. Little wonder that you have so much time to while away the business day with your swill.

Yes, her son died heroically in Iraq and she already met with the President. You wonder why Bush "can't find 20 minutes to answer one question from a grieving mother who represents millions of Americans," and I'm trying to determine if you've decided it's because she is a grieving mother that she deserves a second meeting with Bush, or because she "represents millions of Americans."

And even though you, in your typical way, failed to answer the question directly, you have implied it is because she is a grieving mother that she is entitled to a special meeting with the President.

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Tico, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Michael Moore represents millions of Americans.

Actually, he doesn't represent anyone but himself.

The Right has set him up that way, as a convienent punching bag, but it isn't as if he was elected or anyone took a poll or anything.

Cycloptichorn

Apparently, then, Sheehan must have been elected to some position within the anti-war movement ... or some poll was taken. Chrissee is convinced she represents "millions of Americans," while Cyclops asserts MM doesn't. Interesting.

Does she have an official title?

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She does represent millions of Americans.

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