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Is Bush Slipping Into Insanity?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 10:59 am
Sounds, like if you were referring to the Ashes Test, farmerman (which I had to follow last week due to our English visitors Evil or Very Mad )

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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 11:03 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
farmerman wrote:
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Ducking and dodging have always been part of your repertoire Walter.....it's not surprising you revert to it now.


Rayban, you seem somewhat angry this day. Are we getting enough rest? still in the anger management program?


PS, I hope we dont start slamming Roosevelt as an incompetent CIC. Of course , its true that the Right Wing Soviet regime also played a bit partin the conflict.


I suspect that when I get into my 70's and can no longer get it up on a regular basis I'll get a little touchy too. Laughing


Laughing I do need a little help in that arena, but thank god for....CIALIS. That said, I probably get as much or more than you do.......however I would like to be your age again.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 11:04 am
farmerman wrote:
nicely put Walter.

score 15 to 3 Walter wins.


Hey......Farmer........I guess score keeping is not your strong suit!!!!!!
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 11:08 am
rayban1 wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
farmerman wrote:
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Ducking and dodging have always been part of your repertoire Walter.....it's not surprising you revert to it now.


Rayban, you seem somewhat angry this day. Are we getting enough rest? still in the anger management program?


PS, I hope we dont start slamming Roosevelt as an incompetent CIC. Of course , its true that the Right Wing Soviet regime also played a bit partin the conflict.


I suspect that when I get into my 70's and can no longer get it up on a regular basis I'll get a little touchy too. Laughing




Laughing I do need a little help in that arena, but thank god for....CIALIS. That said, I probably get as much or more than you do.......however I would like to be your age again.


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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 11:16 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
rayban1 wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
farmerman wrote:
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Ducking and dodging have always been part of your repertoire Walter.....it's not surprising you revert to it now.


Rayban, you seem somewhat angry this day. Are we getting enough rest? still in the anger management program?


PS, I hope we dont start slamming Roosevelt as an incompetent CIC. Of course , its true that the Right Wing Soviet regime also played a bit partin the conflict.


I suspect that when I get into my 70's and can no longer get it up on a regular basis I'll get a little touchy too. Laughing


Yeah.....BVT, I thought that was worth a chuckle at least and I just can't understand why none of my other...."PALS"....here will even respond.



Laughing I do need a little help in that arena, but thank god for....CIALIS. That said, I probably get as much or more than you do.......however I would like to be your age again.


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Yeah.....BVT, I thought that was worth a chuckle at least and I just can't understand why none of my other...."PALS"....here will even respond.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 11:44 am
Setanta wrote:
No six hundred thousands were lost on Grant's watch. He did not become the Federal supreme commander until late in 1863. Certainly, during the campaign from the Rappahannock to Petersburg and then to Appomattox and the surrender of Lee's army, the butcher's bill was high. But it was high for the Army of Northern Virginia, as well, and that was the point. Throughout the war, Lincoln said he needed to "find someone who understands the numbers." In Grant, he had found that man, and Lincoln was well-satisfied.

Sherman's "butcher's bill" was actually rather low, all things considered. But then, he irresponsibly abandoned his primary objective--the destruction of John Bell Hood's Army of the Tennessee--and wandered off on the pointless "march to the sea." He left George Thomas to deal with Hood and the Army of the Tennessee, and that after taking all of Thomas' army, except two small divisions comprising one small corps. Thomas, however, was equal to the task, and scraping up men, mules and horses wherever he could find them, he assembled an army in Nashville and destroyed Hood's army, accomplishing the task which Sherman had abandoned.

So, as one can plainly see, Rayban once again is shooting his mouth off without knowing very damned much about the subject he chooses--an experience with which the members here become increasingly familiar.


Not withstanding your "awesome" knowledge of history and your penchant for putting us to sleep at every opportunity.........my POINT was that Lincoln's war cost the lives of 600,000 men because of.....WEAPONS PARITY on both sides. This catastrophe was brought about by the stupid military thinking of that day which forced men to fight with antique weapons (muzzle loaders that required several seconds to reload even by an expert without the stress of actual combat). Modern weapons were available ......the Spencer 7 shot repeater which used a rimfire cartridge......and a little later the Winchester repeating rifle. The Generals wouldn't buy these weapons because the rationale was that they couldn't keep the men supplied with ammunition. ? ! ?

A handfull of men managed to buy these weapons with their own scarce money.

I don't want to diminish Lincoln's achievement of holding the Union together........just pointing out that he was probably described as a butcher, a moron, and an idiot during the time.

Compare 600,000 with 1800, and our vast and awesome weapons superiority of today with Weapons PARITY during the civil war.

BTW.....parity means weapons of equal quality,design, and firing ability. Over the centuries....weapons parity has caused far more total deaths than religion......and that is a monumental comparison. No.....I can't prove that but common sense would support that thinking.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 11:56 am
I'm neither well read in American history nor especially in military history (but I can use my sources :wink: )

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The first recorded use of a Spencer repeater in combat is by Sergeant Francis Lombard of the 1st Mass. Cavalry. The occasion was a skirmish near Cumberland, Maryland on October 16th of 1862, just after the great battle at Sharpsburg, Md. He was carrying a prototype given to him by Christopher Spencer, although the record is sketchy on the exact type.


source: Civil War Breech Loading Rifles, John D. McAulay, Andrew W. Mowbray Inc. 1987
(There are several other accounts of Lombard with widely varying details. The original is a brief mention in the company history of the 1st Mass. Cavalry. McAuley's is one of the latest, and his research is generally quite good. An interesting point is that Lombard has not turned up in the Spencer company records.)

Above quoted from Breechloading rifles of the Civil War
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 12:02 pm
rayban1 wrote:

How about if I say......the "Left" in America today who spout "idealistic cliches" about multiculturalism and who pretend to be military experts like the KK brothers, Kerry and Kennedy?


uh, ray... you might want to have a look at the bios (military records) of current members of the administration and congress before ya make that statement.

if military service is a requirement to be a military expert, it tips heavier to the so called left than it does in the other direction.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 12:13 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Laughing I do need a little help in that arena, but thank god for....CIALIS. That said, I probably get as much or more than you do.......however I would like to be your age again.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing[/quote]

Yeah.....BVT, I thought that was worth a chuckle at least and I just can't understand why none of my other...."PALS"....here will even respond.[/quote]

damn straight, ray. to hell with growing old gracefully. Laughing
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 12:18 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm neither well read in American history nor especially in military history (but I can use my sources :wink: )

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The first recorded use of a Spencer repeater in combat is by Sergeant Francis Lombard of the 1st Mass. Cavalry. The occasion was a skirmish near Cumberland, Maryland on October 16th of 1862, just after the great battle at Sharpsburg, Md. He was carrying a prototype given to him by Christopher Spencer, although the record is sketchy on the exact type.


source: Civil War Breech Loading Rifles, John D. McAulay, Andrew W. Mowbray Inc. 1987
(There are several other accounts of Lombard with widely varying details. The original is a brief mention in the company history of the 1st Mass. Cavalry. McAuley's is one of the latest, and his research is generally quite good. An interesting point is that Lombard has not turned up in the Spencer company records.)

Above quoted from Breechloading rifles of the Civil War


Another interesting point is that Lincoln reportedly tested this rifle himself in the back yard of the WH, but could NOT persuade the military "experts" to buy the rifle for the reasons that I have already mentioned. They could not keep the men supplied with ammunition. Rolling Eyes

The rifle itself was not aesthetically pleasing to the eye, like the Winchester, but it did use a cartridge, instead of loose powder, a ball and a cap. It was a lever action type repeating rifle which allowed seven shots to be fired faster than a second shot could be fired from a muzzle loader. It was 50 calibre and very effective at the distances where they lined up like fools and shot at each other. Another example of the stupid tactics of that day. If the North had acquired this rifle in great quantities......the manufacturing capability existed.......who knows how many lives would have been saved and how many years the war could have been shortened.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 12:31 pm
My, my, what an active thread. DontTreadOnMe had this phrase in a post several pages ago: "a hundred redneck pseudo-patriots."
I am a redneck from the mountains of Virginia. I have been a redneck since birth. I am outraged at this scurrilous slander against me so cavalierly and gratuiously. If you don't apologize, I am going to hold my breath until my face turns blue.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 12:52 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Another example of the stupid tactics of that day.


Yes, and they didn't use computers and satellites ... :wink:
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 12:59 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
My, my, what an active thread. DontTreadOnMe had this phrase in a post several pages ago: "a hundred redneck pseudo-patriots."
I am a redneck from the mountains of Virginia. I have been a redneck since birth. I am outraged at this scurrilous slander against me so cavalierly and gratuiously. If you don't apologize, I am going to hold my breath until my face turns blue.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

aww, hell boy.. ahm a redneck from the hills o' ol' kentuck. but i got over it. there is hope for y'all anya taint all by yer lonesome. Laughing

it's not the redneck part that bothers me much. i like to drink beer and shoot my gun, too !

it's the pseudo-patriot, "i'm more american than you", uhhh, manure, that chaps my hide.

awright. y'all take carenaw. :wink:
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:02 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Oh that's an easy one Mr Ban, I obviously have the baser judegment, they only meet me for the excellent coffee not the company. I was never a Sandy jock, just a grunt on the ground with an M-14 (no class act was I)


Laughing On a lighter note.......I just don't understand how you guys can keep underestimating my intelligence, and Bush's since our IQs are the same, because I chose the AF, which allowed me to come back to a hot shower every night, and good hot food.

How often did you get a shower and hot food? :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:08 pm
rayban1 wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Oh that's an easy one Mr Ban, I obviously have the baser judegment, they only meet me for the excellent coffee not the company. I was never a Sandy jock, just a grunt on the ground with an M-14 (no class act was I)


Laughing On a lighter note.......I just don't understand how you guys can keep underestimating my intelligence, and Bush's since our IQs are the same, because I chose the AF, which allowed me to come back to a hot shower every night, and good hot food.

How often did you get a shower and hot food? :wink:


and made war easy from up in the air.... I find it hard to believe you have any close up fighting experience.... so naturally you are insensitive to it's results.

My father IQ was 150 plus. He was a brilliant man. Died a broken alcoholic and none of nine children were interested in going to the pricks funeral. His brother, whose IQ was in the mid ninties, had the science building at Butler University named after him and enjoys and active retirement and rides a Harley.

IQ means exactly jack ****. It's only purpose is to boost the fragile self esteem of those who crow about it.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:09 pm
edited for double post
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:15 pm
This president works like the christian god; make threats on the front end like going to hell if you don't agree with my "plan." Bush had better stay away from words like "bring them on."
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:21 pm
"I just don't understand how you guys can keep underestimating my intelligence, and Bush's since our IQs are the same." -

Do you get annual IQ checkup?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:25 pm
BVT wrote:
IQ means exactly jack ****. It's only purpose is to boost the fragile self esteem of those who crow about it.


I agree completely......especially when it's any higher than 130. I only mentioned it because the left made such a big fuss about Bush's until it was determined that his IQ was higher than that of Kerry......then the issue was suddenly dropped.

I also mention it because I am often called an idiot with a tiny brain by lefties here.......I find that doubly amusing now that you have made such a fuss about it
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 14 Aug, 2005 01:28 pm
and you set the rules of play so what do you expect?
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