Poor Atkins, he got more than he bargained for
jpinMilwaukee wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:
Did you or did you not see the example of husband bashing that I quoted?
Calm down Brandon... you should get out of the politics forum more often. It might help with your blood pressure.
Expressing disagreement with you does not automatically imply high blood pressure.
jpinMilwaukee wrote:But to answer your question yes I saw the post. Now please point out where I said that was alright but bashing women is wrong.
Brandon9000 wrote:The next poster agreed and sympathized. You're defending a total double standard.
Presumably you mean that bashing both is wrong, and would advocate that everyone jump on a woman who came here to insult her husband, as was done to Casanova. Alright, then, at least you're consistent.
jpinMilwaukee wrote:What am I defending? Casanova is acting like an ass towards the person he married. I have no repect for a man who does not respect his own wife. If my wife gained 200 pounds I would never come to a random forum to bash her behind her back. Perhaps instead of sticking up for him you should instead start practicing what you preach and stand up for family values instead of a hot head with no respect for his wife.
First of all, in the initial few posts, I saw a person, Casanova, who made certain negative observations about his wife, attacked simultaneously by everyone with no attempt at all made to investigate the accuracy of his statements. Now, you can take the position that criticism of one's spouse is improper whether valid or invalid, but that yardstick has never been applied to criticism of husbands and boyfriends in this forum.
Brandon,
casanova is one of a couple of Trolls here (probably High school kids) who try to pull our legs. Read his profile,
and his other threads so far, and it will give you a clue.
CalamityJane wrote:Brandon,
casanova is one of a couple of Trolls here (probably High school kids) who try to pull our legs. Read his profile,
and his other threads so far, and it will give you a clue.
Perhaps so, but he wasn't criticized for that, but rather for daring to say something negative about his wife.
Based only on the comments he had made to that point in the conversation, I don't see anything he had said that warranted being ganged up on like that, particularly by people who had no slightest idea whether he was relating an accurate picture or not.
Well Brandon, there was some cross posting going on in
several threads here, where casanova has made his
mark already, I guess, it just spilled over into this thread
and the answers towards him reflected that.
The "Relationship & Marriage" sub-category sees this
type of troll behavior more often, so they're quite easy to
spot, once you spend more time here
Brandon9000 wrote:Expressing disagreement with you does not automatically imply high blood pressure.
Indeed it does not. It was more of a tounge in cheek response to the very serious question of "Did you or did you not see the example of husband bashing that I quoted?"
jpinMilwaukee wrote:But to answer your question yes I saw the post. Now please point out where I said that was alright but bashing women is wrong.
Brandon9000 wrote:The next poster agreed and sympathized. You're defending a total double standard.
Presumably you mean that bashing both is wrong, and would advocate all jumping on a woman who came here to insult her husband, as was done to Casanova. Alright, then, at least you're consistent.[/quote]
i think people how come here to ask about what to do about certain situations deserve serious answers. I think those that come her merely to bash and disrepect another person, especially a spouse, deserve whatever they get, regardless of the their sex.
Brandon9000 wrote:jpinMilwaukee wrote:What am I defending? Casanova is acting like an ass towards the person he married. I have no repect for a man who does not respect his own wife. If my wife gained 200 pounds I would never come to a random forum to bash her behind her back. Perhaps instead of sticking up for him you should instead start practicing what you preach and stand up for family values instead of a hot head with no respect for his wife.
First of all, in the initial few posts, I saw a person, Casanova, who made certain negative observations about his wife, attacked simultaneously by everyone with no attempt at all made to investigate the accuracy of his statements.
First of all, from the very beginning Cassanova never asked about what we thought of his wife gaining weight. He merely called her a slob and followed that up with an admission of cheating on her. I think this is both disrespectful and un-productive. From the very beginning he evoked an agressive and disrespectful tone that went above merely criticising his wife. Perhaps you should do a bit more research before you start questioning other posters motives.
Brandon9000 wrote:Now, you can take the position that criticism of one's spouse is improper whether valid or invalid, but that yardstick has never been applied to criticism of husbands and boyfriends in this forum.
Criticising a spouse is fine. Flat out disrepect is, IMO, not fine. If you are here to talk and ask for advice i will be happy to give it to you. If you are here to disrespect a person don't get you panties in a bunch when some of that is directed back towards you. How others apply the yardstick to different situations is beyond my power. Why are you sticking up for a man who so blatantly disrespects his wife?
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
First of all, from the very beginning Cassanova never asked about what we thought of his wife gaining weight. He merely called her a slob and followed that up with an admission of cheating on her. I think this is both disrespectful and un-productive. From the very beginning he evoked an agressive and disrespectful tone that went above merely criticising his wife. Perhaps you should do a bit more research before you start questioning other posters motives.
My post was in response to Chai Tea's attack on him. At the time I began writing my response, he had not yet admitted infidelity. Here is what he had actually said:
Casanova wrote:My wife never wears makeup anymore. I wish she'd make herself up soemtimes because she looks like a slob.
He was then criticized immediately by Chai Tea for daring to call his wife a slob, and he responded with the rather odd comment:
Casanova wrote:I just love ladies. Never said i was perfect but my wife just cant' get her fat a** of the couch long enogh to love me so....
and was then attacked by several people. It's entirely possible that what he's saying is perfectly true, or that it isn't. What he received in return for these words strikes me as a disproportionate response, considering the fact that such attacks on husbands typically engender only sympathy and commiseration, and that he really hadn't said much of anything yet. I don't like double standards.
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I don't like double standards.[/quote]
But they've always spoken to highly of you.
Yes, Yes! I attacked him!
And if he'd been in the room with me I'd have clawed his eyes out with my Sahara Saphire nails and served them to him on toast!
Chai Tea wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:
I don't like double standards.
But they've always spoken to highly of you.
Yes, Yes! I attacked him!
And if he'd been in the room with me I'd have clawed his eyes out with my Sahara Saphire nails and served them to him on toast!
I think I hear you implying that you don't much care whether you were in the right or the wrong, but reserve the right to do just as you please. As long as you don't maintain that your position was justified, I have no quarrel with you.
Brandon9000 wrote:
My post was in response to Chai Tea's attack on him. At the time I began writing my response, he had not yet admitted infidelity.
Yet you continue to defend him even after he has admitted infidelity.
Brandon9000 wrote:It's entirely possible that what he's saying is perfectly true, or that it isn't. What he received in return for these words strikes me as a disproportionate response, considering the fact that such attacks on husbands typically engender only sympathy and commiseration, and that he really hadn't said much of anything yet. I don't like double standards.
So is what you are saying is that attacks on husbands should garner the same response that others gave cassanova? But by defending him and at the same time saying attacks on husbands should receive the same responses, you are using the same double standard that you accuse others of using.
Truth of the statments doesn't matter. Either he is truthfully being disprespectful to his wife or he is untruthfully being disrespectful to his wife... which one is better?
Sooooo..... in an attempt to stear this trainwreck back on track.....
I am far younger than Atkins' target group, I agree that older women do often look better with a little make up if they let their hair go grey. I, at this time, don't really wear make up. I don't daily, anyway. I used to wear eye make up and blush. Then eye make up, then mascara and lipstick, but only when I was out at night. Then I dropped it all. However, I religiously buy a basic set of make up every couple years just in case.
I am so used to my face without make up, that I feel ridiculous when I put it on.
I was also about to go back to the original question, which interested me, and the train wreck doesn't very much.
I am in the target group. I wore a lot of makeup, from my point of view now, when I was in my twenties, but that was nothin' compared to friends from the eastern US then. I'm a California girl, though I lived in the east and midwest enough to make those friends when I was a child. It really hit me when a friend, then 14 or 15, came to LA with her parents, and visited us. We'd lived in the same apartment building in NYC, for a year, and the two of us and one other girl were the only children in the whole complex (I'm sure that is some kind of story but I won't go there.)
Carole and her parents visited and I couldn't believe it, cake makeup city, though I wouldn't have called it that, then.
She was not out of it, I don't think, re her group... indeed the last I heard of her was a mailing from St. John's Wood, London? I suspect that was at least semiposh at the time.
We are or were, pretty low key on makeup in daily life in LA through the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's...
We had one friend who stuck out, who wore full panoply makeup, and she was at our house chatting with my husband and I and a director/writer friend showed up, and shortly after meeting her said something like, 'what is all that greasepaint for?"
She hated him viscerally ever after. He didn't blink.
This in Actor City.
Personally, I got too busy. Hard to work one or two jobs and go to school and be married/keep up a house and keep up your eyeliner.
As time went by, I did more school and was even less interested in all that, though I'd use lipstick, do nail polish once in a while - hard if you insist on gardening and don't like gloves - and some mascara.
Now on age two things happened, besides the amicable after a while divorce. My eyelids hereditarily droop a bit, and sort of hide any effort at eye shadow... which, I hate to mention, goes in and out of fashion, going from cool to disgustingly cheesy, and back again.
Then I dealt with eye disease and the last thing I needed to play with was being fetching with vampire eyes, or significant contrast between my eyes and my cheeks.
I'm fine, the eyes are fine, now, but I'm way over being other than tidy and occasionally charming or cute and sometimes sexy me. I'm 63 and quite creative. It's really too bad if my face is too bland for someone's ballpark. It does light up when my mind is engaged and I'm pleased to be talking with someone.
I have a blonde complexion, so my pale face is like a blank canvas without make-up. I have no color whatsoever. I especially need eyebrow pencil (light brown, brushed & blended in well), because my eyebrows are blonde and very thin...practically invisible. Frankly, they don't look natural.
I've worn make-up since I was 15. Sometimes I go without it, and people don't recognize me. Honest.
jpinMilwaukee wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:
My post was in response to Chai Tea's attack on him. At the time I began writing my response, he had not yet admitted infidelity.
Yet you continue to defend him even after he has admitted infidelity.
Oh, whooo, big expose!!!!!
No, I didn't. I defended only my original contention that he had been vilified the moment he dared critcize his wife, whereas critcisms of men are apparently just fine.
jpinMilwaukee wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:It's entirely possible that what he's saying is perfectly true, or that it isn't. What he received in return for these words strikes me as a disproportionate response, considering the fact that such attacks on husbands typically engender only sympathy and commiseration, and that he really hadn't said much of anything yet. I don't like double standards.
So is what you are saying is that attacks on husbands should garner the same response that others gave cassanova? But by defending him and at the same time saying attacks on husbands should receive the same responses, you are using the same double standard that you accuse others of using.
No, I wasn't defending him as an individual. I was saying that he had been simultaneously attacked by a lot of people the instant he had criticized his wife at all, that such an attack had been unwarranted at that moment, and that similar criticism of a husband would never have received the same vilification. Whether he later said anything that justified attacking him was irrelevant.
jpinMilwaukee wrote:Truth of the statments doesn't matter. Either he is truthfully being disprespectful to his wife or he is untruthfully being disrespectful to his wife... which one is better?
A man should be allowed to report accurately that his wife has negative behaviors, and certainly should if women are sympathized with when they report similarly on their husbands.
You may as well stop trying to expose an inconsistency in my position, because there isn't one. He was vilified the very instant he criticzed his wife, yet women who do the same seem to receive sympathy and commiseration.
Ugggh!!!!
I once dated an artist who said the same thing. Then he appraised me (I wasn't wearing any make-up that day 'cause I didn't feel like it) and said " oh you have good colour so you're alright"
Like I frickin' care!!
The problem I've had has always been with men bitchin' that I don't wear make-up enough or enough of it. That just peeves me off.
If you insist a woman must wear makeup, then find one of the many obsessed with wearing it, and don't try changing the rest of us.
You men, try going through the whole routine of make-up and hair and all every day. It's gets boring. It clogs your skin.
Argggg!!!!
By the way,
women are bombarded every day with thinking they 'need' to cover up their normal bodies, adorn them, be skinnier, have bigger tits, next week it's bigger asses.....
It's alright for a woman to decide
"**** it. I do what I want. I don't care what other people think"
If a woman doesn't want to wear make-up,
the man has no right to suggest that she 'needs' it.
Such rationalizing crap here.
This guy just needs to find someone who likes makeup or is willing to do that for him. End of story.
And to imply a woman's creativity is shown by her makeup is just bullshiot.
No wonder this guy is confused.
........Hey, where was it ever just fine to criticisize men for superficial shiot?.......
I know this is becoming flooding,
but i want to know is Atkins wears makeup?
I think makeup is wonderful! It can bring out the best of your features. True, some women don't need makeup to do that. But some of us do! I love the color of my eyes but without mascara to open my eyes, they don't look as bright. And I have nice skin, so I don't need foundation but I do have dark circles so I have to cover them or I look tired and beat up.
General question - Do you feel you are treated differently when you are wearing makeup?
I mean by the general public.
