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One event changes attitude in UK-----how strange

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 12:32 pm
rayban we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born.

now go back to your cosy little life in delusional middle america
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 12:46 pm
How does that make you feel Steve? We had a single terrorist attack and declared war on two countries to prevent a second attack or a more serious attack anywhere else.

Your government had the sense and foresight to ally themselves with us in an effort to rid this world of the types of people that carry out these dastardly attacks and to prevent them from gaining control of WMD's and funding.

Bully for the British government!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 12:54 pm
how does what make me feel McG?

The fact that most IRA money came from the US?

Or the fact that British and American policy in Iraq has exacerbated the terrorist threat?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:09 pm
Given the current rationale for Project Iraqi Freedom (we fight terrorism in Iraq so that we don't have to fight it on our streets), why should Steve (or any other Britisher) feel good after what happened last week?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:14 pm
at the root is oil

and the sickness within islam which inspires a holy desire for death.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:16 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Given the current rationale for Project Iraqi Freedom (we fight terrorism in Iraq so that we don't have to fight it on our streets), why should Steve (or any other Britisher) feel good after what happened last week?


Well, personally, I do not believe any Brit should feel "good" about what happened last week. That you think they might should bother you.

Steve seemed proud of the fact that "we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born."

I wonder why that is.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:35 pm
Joe Nation wrote:

The IRA should have dis-armed unilaterally forty years, maybe eighty years ago, leaving the British government without a moral leg to stand on. The PLO should have dis-armed unilaterally leaving the Israeli government without a moral leg to stand on. And all the rest, yes, all of them, Shining Path and Army of God, United Klans of America and Red Brigades, everyone who thinks peace can be achieved through force. Don't ask me, ask Ghandi.

Joe(full of something)Nation


Nice sentiments, and well-expressed. However not always realistic.

Force does ususlly engender lasting resistence. However there are some situations that require it for change to occur. (You should review the history of a century of attempts by the Irish in the 19th century to achieve independence through cooperative political means. It got them nothing at all, except perhaps indifference to their fate during the famines - while the country exported grain and cattle to England for cash, to the absentee landlords.)

Finally you should consider the historical judgement on Ghandi. He was very successful in dealing with the British, but their Raj days were already numbered. In his principal goal of achieving unity in India and peace between Moslems and Hindis he, and his methods, failed quite badly.

Nice sentiments, but the facts are not particularly supportive of them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:56 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Steve seemed proud of the fact that "we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born."


Actually, Steve wrote in his native English. Must be sound/translate different to American English.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:02 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Steve seemed proud of the fact that "we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born."


Actually, Steve wrote in his native English. Must be sound/translate different to American English.


Your German accent is getting in the way Walter, what do you mean?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:05 pm
Just a 'be' to much :wink:

Well, I didn't understand it the way you did - which, re-thinking it now, might well be due to my German accent.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:11 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Just a 'be' to much :wink:

Well, I didn't understand it the way you did - which, re-thinking it now, might well be due to my German accent.


This what he said:

"rayban we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born.

now go back to your cosy little life in delusional middle america"

I could be wrong in my interpretation, but he seems proud to live in a country where urban terrorism is a fact of life. He enforces that by making the second, dismissive statement.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:14 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
Joe makes a lot of sense. But I realize for some folks it's easier to cut 'n' paste junk from their favorite screedsters...



And it would seem that Paul Krugman is one of you favorite "Screedsters"....same old hypocrisy from the left.......damn, will you never tire of it?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:21 pm
Maybe. My point, though, is that Joe wrote something he believes in, rather than cutting and pasting someone else's thoughts.

Does that help you understand my point?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:35 pm
"Steve seemed proud of the fact that "we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born."

Not proud, just a statement of fact.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:36 pm
Joe is a lawyer and a very skilled writer. We can all appreciate that, but sometimes it's easier to let someone else write for you when you agree with what they have written.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:39 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
rayban we have lived with urban terrorism since before you were born.

now go back to your cosy little life in delusional middle america


I thought I had made it clear that I have great respect for the resilience and indomitable spirit of the English people. What I have a real problem with and I think you and many of your kind have just come to realize, is that your tolerance for multiculturalism has created the monster that attacked you.

Yes...I am from middle America but we are in firm control of reality and are making good progress in rescuing America from the same brand of multiculturalist elites that has ruined your country.

I conclude from one of your posts below that you have suddenly realized that you have been on the wrong track which supports my idea that "one event has changed your attitude"

Steve as 4100 wrote:
I've said this elsewhere, but I really believe Islam is a sick religion. It has a cancer which is killing us and them.

We have to destroy these dangerous ideas. Expose Islam to the glare of proper intellectual scrutiny and ridicule its stupid illiberal beliefs. If that upsets muslims then tough. They in turn are quite welcome to do the same to Christianity and Judaism. Note i'm advocating attacking their beliefs not the people. Its the belief system that tips the balance between frustration and terrorism. The tsunami was not an act of god, but 9/11 and 7/7 were a result of people believing they were doing God's will.

There are two basic types of religious people, the deluded and the dangerously deluded. Its time to fight fire with fire


"ITS TIME TO FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE"...........congratulations, "the light bulb has suddenly come on over your head"
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:39 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:


Not proud, just a statement of fact.


That's what I understood. Thanks.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:48 pm
Mc G what prompted me to respond in the way i did, admittedly not in the most emollient of tones, was something Whooda said several weeks ago, well before 7/7

to the effect that we in Europe were cossetted in our protected cosy little environment, safe from the ever present threat from immenent death from al qaida, whereas he, whooda, lived less than 50 miles from a nuclear power station which at any time could be destroyed by terrorist action.

My initial response to this has been (and I accept this) deleted.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:19 pm
McGentrix wrote:
How does that make you feel Steve? We had a single terrorist attack and declared war on two countries to prevent a second attack or a more serious attack anywhere else.


You acted precipitately and duplicitously, and by your action made terrorist action more likely elsewhere. As we are finding out.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 03:22 pm
Our war in Iraq is as effective in fighting terrorism as capital punishment is effective in preventing murder.

Neither works, but they do make us feel that a proper punishment is being delivered...
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