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Attack in London Today

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 01:32 pm
just for the record, when i said chip them i meant insert a microchip in them so we know where they are

not stick them feet first into a wood chip machine

Smile
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 01:36 pm
Seems Tony is letting the appeasement crowd have it with both barrels. :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 01:39 pm
and who or what and where are the appeasement crowd?
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 01:42 pm
oh, I don't know..
"it is time we stopped saying OK we abhor their methods, but we kind of see something in their ideas or maybe they have got a sliver of excuse or justification. They have got no justification for it."

The people the PM is talking about in this quote.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 01:47 pm
cant disagree with that
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 02:17 pm
But they think they have.Isn't that a fact too?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 02:20 pm
Steve wrote:
but this is wartime

we have to employ every technological, psychological, sociological and every other logical means we can to defeat these bastards.

because if we dont have the basic human right of going about our daily business in safety, free from the risk of being ripped to pieces, the other freedoms and rights count for nothing.


Very well said Steve......may I have permission of use this quote when one of our libs starts to whine about the Patriot Act?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 02:22 pm
well i suppose so

so long as you pay the royalties
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 02:34 pm
BONUS VIRGINS FOR ESPECIALLY DEVOUT TERRORISTS
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 02:49 pm
JustWonders wrote:
PM Blair dresses down MSM

Just a sample - Read the whole thing...
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Question:

More civilians have been killed by the Americans and the British than have been killed by these attacks.

Prime Minister:

Excuse me. First of all - I don't accept that at all incidentally - but secondly there is all the difference in the world in us taking action against these terrorists and as will happen when military action is taken innocent civilians get killed. We deeply regret every one of those lives. They don't regret the loss of innocent, civilian life. They rejoice in it, that is their purpose. And all the instability in Iraq would stop tomorrow if these terrorists and insurgents stopped. And my point to you Adam is, I am making a more fundamental point because I actually don't think the public is in quite the position that you think they are. Yes, it is true that of course they see these issues as linked in some way. Yes they do. But they also know perfectly well that we cannot give these people any shred of justification for what they do. And when people say, and I have read this over the past few days, people talk about this as if we are doing this in Iraq, they are doing this here. There is more or less an equivalent. Until we get rid of this frankly complete nonsense in trying to build some equivalence between what we are doing helping Iraqis and Afghans get their democracy and these people going in deliberately killing wholly innocent people for the sake of it, until we eliminate that we are not going to confront this ideology in the way it needs to be confronted and my point to you is this, it is time we stopped saying OK we abhor their methods, but we kind of see something in their ideas or maybe they have got a sliver of excuse or justification. They have got no justification for it.

And one other thing I want to say whilst I am on this subject if I might, neither have they any justification for killing people in Israel either. Let us just get that out of the way as well. There is no justification for suicide bombing whether in Palestine, in Iraq, in London, in Egypt, in Turkey, anywhere, in the United States of America. There is no justification for it period and we will start to beat this when we stand up and confront the ideology of this evil. Not just the methods but the ideas. When we actually have people going into the communities here in this country and elsewhere and saying I am sorry, we are not having any of this nonsense about it is to do with what the British are doing in Iraq or Afghanistan, or support for Israel, or support for America, or any of the rest of it. It is nonsense, and we have got to confront it as that. And when we confront it as that, then we will start to beat it.


Hear hear!!!

About time someone stood up and slapped down that bullshit.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 03:04 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
well i suppose so

so long as you pay the royalties


Laughing Actually, are you certain you didn't plaigarize that from one of our Neo-cons when we were the victim and you were an observer?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 03:06 pm
Don't be too rough on Steve. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged--or bombed.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 03:26 pm
Lash wrote:
Don't be too rough on Steve. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged--or bombed.


I know.....a good example is that bit he has just written which I mischievously asked permission to use. However I do congratulate Steve on his conversion from a multiculturalist who tolerated anything, to a fierce Hawk.

Lash ...... why don't you send him a coffee mug commemorating his induction into the Neo-con club? After of course, the proper probationary period......we wouldn't want to take a chance on his being a back slider.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 03:50 pm
Well, those, who don't really know how to attack, just can go to the United Stae Justice Department's website and have a look there at the Al Qaeda Training Manual.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 04:25 pm
I respect Steve for stepping out of the gaggle a tad. I'll be glad to leave it at that.

Just been teasing you, Steve. I've enjoyed reading you lately. Your candor is so refreshing.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 07:06 pm
Lash wrote:
I respect Steve for stepping out of the gaggle a tad. I'll be glad to leave it at that.

Just been teasing you, Steve. I've enjoyed reading you lately. Your candor is so refreshing.


Is it candour or a refusal to be stereotyped?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 08:04 pm
They aren't mutually exclusive.

Candor-- openness, honesty.

I believe he was at least candid.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 08:56 pm
Run along now Steve and get that lipstick off your cheek :wink:
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2005 10:54 pm
Liberal on some things, conservative on others, refusing to self-label or be labelled, thinking for oneself instead of retreating behind a set of slogans or prefabricated Talking Points, maintaining an open mind - all admirable.
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thethinkfactory
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2005 06:07 am
rayban1 wrote:
Steve wrote:
but this is wartime

we have to employ every technological, psychological, sociological and every other logical means we can to defeat these bastards.

because if we dont have the basic human right of going about our daily business in safety, free from the risk of being ripped to pieces, the other freedoms and rights count for nothing.


Very well said Steve......may I have permission of use this quote when one of our libs starts to whine about the Patriot Act?


The oddity about this quote is that if the patriot act is abused American's are not free from doing business safely. I know we won't be 'ripped to peices' but jailed is no better for business.

The free market, to be as efficient as we want it to be, needs to be free. It is what has made capitalism so efficient. The patriot act, in certain provisions, threatens the freedom of business people and patrons of those businesses to conduct thier business freely (amongst other things).

It seems Steve's statement is to secure some freedom and the cost of other freedoms. Always a dangerous trade off AND exactly what the stated goal of the 'enemy' is. To destroy American life as we know it.

The founding fathers made skeptical provisions of thier government for a reason. Should we update our methods for capturing data - sure - should we allow the government to observe the private life of all of it's citizenry on a whim - scary, and unconstitutional. I, for one, am not willing to suspend my God given rights as a human to gain a little short terms freedom at the hands of fear mongers like terrorists or certain government officials.

TTF
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