Attack in London Today

Cyclop, I am truly glad.

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Thanks brandon, I sorta figured that about you anyway but it's always nice to have it confirmed.

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Do we know the loss of life in London? Did they plan it to screw up the G-8?

Does this hurt or help Blair politically?

How many explosions?

I HATED to hear this. Of all places. (Though, none would be welcomed.)

I really despise those cowardly motherfuckers.

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London is my second favorite city in the world, one of the bombs was at Edgeware, this is also the area where I almost always stay when I am in London. This is a sad reminder that the world is a dangerous place to live in. My personal hatred for war and violence remains unabated. You don't stop violence by killing people, period.

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How would you stop it?

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I believe I answered that on one of nimh's threads a long time ago, would have nothing to do with continued killing. If I remember correctly, nimh commented that my idea was "soft war"

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I get the picture.

It was what we were doing before.

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not at all, we never tried it. It seemed too easy. btw Lash, I expect better responses from you than the above "assumption" that's not really like you.

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Well, I don't know what you said--so I won't characterize it.

I just see soft war as a little intense diplomacy, some stern embargo-like stuff, trade stuff, withholding carrots, using soft sticks...

Some value it. I would if it worked. But, maybe you had something different in your plan.

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I think terror attacks are part of doing business in a free country. People will hate - they will attack you - you strengthen the borders you prepare and try to stop the attacks - and then you react when, not if, they do.

It is not a sign of weakness - but one of reality. Iraq has caused more damage than good AND we are all talking as if Bin Laden himself carried these attacks out. Two words of warning: Tim McVey.

TTF

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Lash wrote:

Well, I don't know what you said--so I won't characterize it.
You did characterize it and then return with "I don't know what you said" that's some powerful assuming going down on your part.
I just see soft war as a little intense diplomacy, some stern embargo-like stuff, trade stuff, withholding carrots, using soft sticks...
What I stated on nimh's thread was something in the order of. we could have gone into Iraq, post invasion, and focused on the wives/mothers, the one's responsible for putting food on the table and shelter over their heads, and education for thier children. We could have done that in the market place, we could have worked non-stop to open the markets and provide security for families and ignored the men and their gun/toys and left that to the women who would see the folly of men playing army. the woman of the arab world, like the woman of all worlds run the families and that is where change can occur. Read some greek history.

Some value it. I would if it worked. But, maybe you had something different in your plan.

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Tragic and senseless murders of innocent people......
my thoughts go out to all the friends and families of lost ones in London today. Sad

what country is next ?

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thethinkfactory wrote:

I think terror attacks are part of doing business ...and then you react when, not if, they do.

TTF

What if they use biological or nuclear weapons someday? Might you not wish you had been a little proactive?

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dyslexia wrote:

I believe I answered that on one of nimh's threads a long time ago, would have nothing to do with continued killing. If I remember correctly, nimh commented that my idea was "soft war"

this must be the thread you're referring to. i didn't read it originally, but i searched for it. btw, "soft power" seemed to be nimh's generic term for a carrots and sticks ME policy.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1207867#1207867

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exactly

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Current casualty figures

700 injured
37 dead

Terrible but it could have been a lot worse. I think they used much smaller explosive devices than in Madrid.

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Can we move away from the hard war/soft war arguement and move on to the more relevant issue. That is to say, the liberal, apologist, PC brigade are the ones who have left us so open and vulnerable to attack.
The serial underfunding of our intelligence services and armed forces over the past decade and the constant pandering to rabble rousing maniacs just because they come from and 'ethnic group' or are a 'minority'. It is just too much!

Fundermentalist leaders are allowed to preach hatred and intolerance to crowds of admirers on the streets of britain(Abu Hamza). At the same time a little old lady in Coventry is arrested because she collects porcelin pigs and displays them in her window which just happens to be on a street that leads to a mosque.

Now I am not suggesting blanket oppression of minorities or people of other faiths and I am not suggesting creating new draconian laws. We have all the laws we need to act against terrorists and rabble rousers already. What we lack is politicians and police chiefs with backbones, people who are ready to act decisively and nevermind the liberal, apologist, PC assholes. nuff said

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My thoughts on the bombings:

(post-explosions reaction - as a Londoner born and bred.)

We have been dreading but expecting the attacks to begin.
After all, we are at war.

I feel very proud of how the support and rescue services handled things here.
I hope that peace will come eventually, but until then, we must stay alert and united. If we do not respond in fear, the bombers gain nothing.
Attacking British minorities (as churchofME has done) is a knee-jerk reaction that can only aid the terrorist. Divide and Rule is a game played by both sides.
Mr Blair has already reminded us of the reflection these bombings may have on the law-abiding British Muslim Community. He asks us to go about our business as normal.
In his speech he said,

"When they try to divide our people or weaken our resolve, we will not be divided and our resolve will hold firm."
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659953.stm

(Update)
London is back to business as normal.

Good Luck, London.

Peace,
E

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Brandon9000 wrote:

thethinkfactory wrote:
I think terror attacks are part of doing business ...and then you react when, not if, they do.

TTF

What if they use biological or nuclear weapons someday? Might you not wish you had been a little proactive?

The question becomes... how proactive? We can see even by the CIA reports that we are creating well trained and committed terrorists in Iraq. I think as 'proactive' as we have been lately in Iraq - I would like to go back to Iraq when it was crippled by sanctions and didn't have a single WMD or dirty bomb to export.

I believe your question is a good one - but the answer is not binary - meaning it is not Invade Iraq or Do Nothing.

We had millions of options we could have excercised.

TTF

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Ahhh... I reread my post.

Don't hear me as dragging Iraq back into the equation. Brandon, you make a good point, I simply think we have a lot of options and War should be the last one.

TTF

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