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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jul, 2006 11:36 pm
http://i1.tinypic.com/1zzp84m.jpg

Online report: No officers to face charges over Menezes
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:53 am
Yes.

There are however to be charges under health and safety legislation along the lines of "the Metropolitan Police did not do enough to ensure the health and safety of ...."

Jesus wept.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 08:57 am
McTag wrote:

There are however to be charges under health and safety legislation along the lines of "the Metropolitan Police did not do enough to ensure the health and safety of ...."


If I had seen that black on white ...

http://i1.tinypic.com/208a2rt.jpg

.... I'd never believed it.

[Source for pic above: frontpage, early edition of today's Evening Standard]
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jul, 2006 02:04 pm
It went according to plan, except for killing an innocent man.

From the moment he left his appartment, Menezes was thought to be one of the 21st July attempted bombers. They could have arrested him at any time as he was tailed to Stockwell tube. But they let him get on train then killed him. Job done. Except it was a mistake.

But suppose they did in fact kill an associate of the bombers, what then?

Well of course no questions asked about unlawful killing, murder or infringement of "health and safety" Laughing

then it would have been Hero! Got you! Brave Cops risk lives to protect public...Grateful Nation Praises Armed Police Action


in fact just as it was designed to be

(no calls for a public enquiry then would there?)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 19 Feb, 2007 04:18 pm
Commander Cressida Dick was in charge of the operation that led to Jean Charles de Menezes. Last July the police watchdog, the independent police complaints commission (IPCC), had recommended that Dick face criminal action for her handling of the operation.

Now she's been promoted to Deputy Assistant Commisioner ...

http://i5.tinypic.com/2w4fhbm.jpg
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 04:09 pm
CCTV images of one of the alleged July 21 terror plotters escaping disguised as a Muslim woman in a burka were released today.

Yassin Omar was said to have fled from London to Birmingham in the dress, which is the most concealing of veils for Muslim women.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2017358,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2007 07:46 am
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The Wrap alert: De Menezes report - exclusive

Thursday August 2, 2007
Guardian Unlimited


Britain's top counter-terrorism police officer 'deliberately' misled the Metropolitan police commissioner about the fatal shooting of the Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, the official report into the Met's handling of the incident says. Guardian Unlimited has obtained a copy of the report in advance of its official release.



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2pm update

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Met chief was misled over De Menezes shooting, report finds


Vikram Dodd and agencies
Thursday August 2, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Britain's most senior counter-terrorism police officer deliberately misled his own commissioner about the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, an official report has found.
The report, by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, was released at midday.

Earlier today, the Guardian obtained a leaked copy of the full 134-page document, which makes swingeing criticisms of the Metropolitan police.

The report says it has "serious concern" over the conduct of Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman, and finds that complaints against him are upheld.
De Menezes, a Brazilian, was shot dead at 10am on July 22 2005 after officers mistook him for a terrorist. The shooting came a day after failed suicide bomb attacks on London's transport system.
The IPCC finds that complaints against Mr Hayman - who is still in charge of counter-terrorism - are substantiated, and gives a clear signal it believes he should face disciplinary action. The Metropolitan police authority will now decide what action to take.

Speaking at a press conference today, Mehmuda Mian Pritchard, a member of the IPCC, said Mr Hayman's failings "were the most serious".

Asked what disciplinary measure should be taken, she said that was "not an issue for the IPCC".

Complaints against the Met police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, are not upheld. The IPCC finds he was not told about a large amount of evidence suggesting the wrong man had been shot, and did not know until the next day.

Mr Hayman told IPCC investigators that he could not remember what he told the Crime Reporters' Association about the shooting at a briefing on the afternoon of July 22.

The IPCC report disagrees, with the claim, saying: "There is compelling corroboration that AC Hayman categorically stated at the CRA briefing that the deceased was not one of the four wanted men."

About 30 minutes later, Mr Hayman attended a meeting of top Met officers and senior Whitehall officials at Scotland Yard.

The report finds: "It is apparent that he deliberately withheld the information, both that he briefed the CRA and on the contents of that briefing, despite being asked for information by the commissioner.

"He therefore misled the commissioner, other senior MPS [Metropolitan police service] officers and representatives from the MPA and HO [home office] who were present."

The IPCC says Mr Hayman's actions in relation to his briefing of the CRA and then misleading the attendees at the 5pm management board meeting and sub-meeting led to inaccurate or misleading information being released by the MPS.

The IPCC says the MPS released "incorrect" information at a press conference fronted by Sir Ian at 3.30pm on the day of the shooting.

The information wrongly said De Menezes had been challenged by officers, and had refused to stop when ordered. The IPCC states that the Brazilian was "completely innocent".

The report concludes that there is no evidence that Sir Ian lied. "However, the MPA should consider why the commissioner remained uninformed of key information emerging during July 22 2005," it says.

It finds Sir Ian was not aware of the serious doubts among his own senior staff on the day of the shooting until months later.

"If, despite the briefing by AC [Alan] Brown on the morning of July 23, the commissioner was still not fully aware by November 2005 of the extent to which evidence about the identity of the deceased had emerged on July 22 or the extent to which knowledge of that evidence had spread, then this is another indication of a failure to keep the commissioner briefed on critical issues," it says.

"What the commissioner could and should have been told was the importance of evidence that pointed to a terrible mistake having been made," Naseen Malik, another IPCC member, told the press conference.

Ms Pritchard added: "The commissioner was not well served by his staff, who failed to keep him informed. They made a very passive view of their duty to keep him informed at all times."

Asked whether Sir Ian should have made more effort to be informed, David Petch, another IPCC member, said: "He asked direct questions on the day. You might argue that he could have been more active, but it's not for use to judge."

The report also finds Sir Ian personally oversaw press statements that later turned out to be wrong at a time when he believed the shot man was a terrorist.

However, once he found out the dead man was innocent, his involvement ceased: "Once the commissioner had chosen to personally involve himself in the preparation of media releases, he had a responsibility to ensure that they were accurate and reflected the current position."

The IPCC says it found "significant weakness" in the Met over the way in which it handles critical information.

In a statement, the MPS said it "accepts that there were errors in both internal and external communication, for which we apologise".

The statement adds: "But the criticism made of the timing of when officers informed the commissioner about the emerging identity of Mr De Menezes could be open to other interpretations. These are judgment issues."

The MPS said it could not comment on criticisms of Mr Hayman, because they were now a matter for the Metropolitan police authority.
Source
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2007 09:42 am
McTag wrote:
That is the point- (because there is a conspiracy within the Met to damage of discredit Sir Ian Blair) that either he lied to the public, or he was not told by his staff what was going on; that is, he does not enjoy the confidence nor the loyalty of his staff
Either way, it looks bad for him.


Get your news here first, folks.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 09:10 am
hadnt they been observing the block of flats where Menenez and the attempted 21/7 bombers lived?

They missed him leaving the flat (call of nature) assumed it was one of the bombers, followed him and killed him.

If they'd killed one of the attempted bombers, the police would be heros.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 02:39 pm
And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.....as they say.

(wouldn't that still have been murder?)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 12:29 pm
yes murder

but the state doesnt do murder
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 02:54 am
McTag wrote:
Yes.

There are however to be charges under health and safety legislation along the lines of "the Metropolitan Police did not do enough to ensure the health and safety of ...."

Jesus wept.


Now the prosecution begins

http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,2181090,00.html

The opening statments laid some very serious charges
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 03:20 am
They already decided no individual officers were to blame, even the ones who killed him. Then they changed the rules so Ian Blair didnt have to sit in the dock...wouldnt look good.

But then neither did blowing someones head off unnecessarily.

So they come up with the brilliant idea of prosecution under health and safety regulations. No doubt this trial will drag on for ages with lawyers arguing each way at great public expense as to whether 7 dum dum bullets to the head is a danger to health.

You couldnt, as Richard Littlejohn use to say, make it up.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 08:20 am
How bloody sad.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 09:50 am
I'm pretty sure from the moment de Menenez left the house he was a dead man. They were going to assassinate him. But they thought he as one of the 21/7 bombers.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:11 am
From the blog of a magistrate

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There are two major legal events going on in London at the moment, one the trial of the Metropolitan Police for 'health and safety' failures over the death of Jean-Charles de Menezes, and the other the Diana inquest.

These proceedings will cost many millions of pounds and will divert the attention of people who have more important things to be getting on with. What will be their effect? For one thing, whatever verdict is reached in each case there will be those who dismiss it and continue to wallow in conspiracy theories. If the Menezes case results in a conviction a judge (paid from the public purse) will fine the Met (ditto) a vast amount of money that will reduce the effectiveness of the way the Met does its job. This should have been dealt with by a grade-A bollocking delivered by the Home Secretary to a Commissioner standing to attention with his hat on, with an instruction to see that it never happens again.

The Diana inquest will achieve nothing whatever except headlines because the conspiracy vs accident theorists are entrenched in their positions, beyond the reach of reason.

What a vast and pointless waste of time and money these two freakshows represent. Still, it will at least stave off penury for the legions of lawyers and bag-carriers involved.
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