Thanks to both of you. They sound bloody awful - no pun intended.
if anyone should be interested there is a programme on bbc radio 4 right now about the background of the London suicide bombers.
it should be available via webcast
thanks walter
I found the programme profoundly moving and frightening.
what was it that changed a decent young man into a mass murderer?
Well it wasnt his interest in model aircraft or cricket.
I'm surprised and I'm not surprised.
I'm surprised it's not going to trial.
I'm not surprised it's not going to trial.
I'm surprised it's not going to trial because I would have thought that the politically easy way out would be for the CPS to launch a prosecution and let the courts decide and - whichever way it went - they (and by extension the Government and the Met) could indicate that they had nothing to do with the decision.
I'm not surprised it's not going to trial because even from here I thought it wouldn't get up in court.
Now I am waiting for the backlash and possibly the backdown where the matter may well be referred to the courts. I'm not sure what the process is in the UK but in my jurisdiction the Attorney-General (a position within Cabinet) may prefer an ex officio indictment which can send someone straight to trial.
None of this, of course, brings back the poor man who was killed. It's still a terrible tragedy.
Until now, nothing seems to be official.
Could be testing the waters then?
Might be - any news about it this morning still is on the level of "according to reports", "senior Metropolitan Police and Whitehall officials are said to be ..." etc.
Ian Blair is to face an inquiry
Quote:Met chief to face Menezes probe
An investigation is to be carried out into the conduct of Met Police chief Sir Ian Blair after the Tube shooting of Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission had asked Home Secretary Charles Clarke to approve their probe.
The victim's family says Sir Ian "misled" them and the public after Mr Menezes was shot dead by London police who mistook him for a suicide bomber.
Early reports suggested Mr Menezes had fled from anti-terror officers.
Scotland Yard was quoted as saying Mr Menezes' "clothing and demeanour" added to suspicions he was a suspected suicide bomber.
Complaint
The Menezes family lodged an official complaint alleging that officers made false public statements following the shooting at Stockwell Tube station on 22 July.
Home secretary approval is required for an investigation into the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police.
We have not made any assumptions and... will try to establish the truth in an impartial, proportionate and timely way
Nick Hardwick,
IPCC chairman
The Independent Police Complaints Commission probe will be led by senior investigator Mike Grant, and be separate from the IPCC's existing investigation into the circumstances of the shooting.
IPCC chairman Nick Hardwick said: "Neither we nor Jean Charles' family want this complaint to distract us from the main task of finding out how and why Jean Charles died.
"We still expect our investigation into the shooting to be completed by the end of December."
He added: "We have not made any assumptions and for the sake of Jean Charles' family, officers within the MPS and the public at large, will try to establish the truth in an impartial, proportionate and timely way."
Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, told BBC News 24: "It's completely right that the media handling and the statements and the comments that were made about the shooting are dealt with just as robustly as the police operation itself."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/4478188.stm
Published: 2005/11/28 13:14:19 GMT
Link
Officers involved in the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes on the Tube could face charges, it has emerged.
BBC:
Tube shooting charges 'possible'
How much you want to bet, Walter?
The article in the Evening Standard (page 4):
From first article:
"as we have not conducted an inquiry into the actions of officers on the 22nd July,'' the department said"
This is very awkward for the police (who I believe are guilty of manslaughter) because many armed officers will refuse to carry guns if these charges are brought.
Certainly the man was unlawfully killed, and the police were to blame; but who, if anyone, will carry the can? I feel a British fudge coming on.
Yup. Inconclusive evidence.