Attack in London Today

au1929 wrote:

Shot five times. Humm. In NYCity they would be crying police brutality and his family would be suing for $50 million.

Not only that, they held him down too.

EDIT: Isn't shooting someone in the head five times a bit redundant? Wouldn't the first shot have killed outright?

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Wolf_ODonnell
I was being sarcastic. I would not care if they shot him a hundred times. IMO these people deserve no consideration and should be shot down like the mad dogs they are.

Article from todays New York Times.

OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Why Do They Hate Us? Not Because of Iraq
By OLIVIER ROY
The terrorists' only true cause is global Islamic dominion.

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does seem a bit excessive, but the transport police are getting really tough on fare dodgers.

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at least the cricket has not been interrupted

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I have been watching the events in London on CNN (the first time I watched the news in a long time) and heard the interview from the guy who saw the shooting.

The fact that he was a heavy coat in hot weather was suspect, but I wonder wouldn't the ones chasing him and shooting him be mindful of the possibility of a bomb going off during all the ruckus? Why didn't a bomb go off, was he wearing a bomb? Or was he chased and shot for other suspicions?

(might be dumb questions, but if you don't ask...)

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Forget this little numbskull who happilly is deader than a doornail.

The problem is comments for Clerics like this..."
LONDON (Reuters) - Militant Islamists will continue to attack Britain until the government pulls its troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the country's most outspoken Islamic clerics said on Friday.

Speaking 15 days after bombers killed over 50 people in London and a day after a series of failed attacks on the city's transport network, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed said the British capital should expect more violence.

"What happened yesterday confirmed that as long as the cause and the root problem is still there ... we will see the same effect we saw on July 7," Bakri said."

"In an interview with Reuters, Bakri described Osama bin Laden, leader of the radical Islamist network al Qaeda, as "a sincere man who fights against evil forces."

Bakri said he would like Britain to become an Islamic state but feared he would be deported before his dream was realized.

"I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world," he said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/AR2005072200709_pf.html

This idiot should be the next one rounded up .

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revel
A better question is why did he run when confronted by the police? When you resist arrest particularly with conditions in London as they are. It seems to me you are asking for an unhappy outcome.

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I am just curious as to reason why he was chased and killed.

Did the police stop to ask him questions and then he just started running. Or did he run when he saw the police and they thought that looked suspicious?

I would think he if had a bomb he would have just let it be set off rather than start to run if his purpose was to set off a suicide bomb.

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revel
It is obvious that he was chased because he look suspicious and he was killed because he resisted arrest and ran.

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Fatal shooting 'directly linked' to bomb probes: police
Last Updated Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:47:04 EDT
CBC News
London police say a man they shot to death in front of horrified subway riders Friday was "directly linked" to their investigation of recent bombings aimed at the city's transit system.

Police officers stand guard as a police cameraman enters Stockwell Underground station in south London, Friday July 22. (AP photo)
The man, who was wearing a thick coat despite the fact that it was a about 21C in the British capital, ran from plainclothes police who challenged him at a subway station one day after four failed bombings.

FROM JULY 21, 2005: New attacks on London transit system

"The man was challenged and refused to obey police instructions," said Scotland Yard head Ian Blair. "I'm not going to go any further."

The shooting happened shortly after 10 a.m. local time at the Stockwell station, which is close to the Oval station, one of the four sites of Thursday's attempted bombings. The Northern and Victoria subway lines, which run through Stockwell station, were shut down in the wake of the shooting.

Police said the man was pronounced dead at the scene.

"He half-tripped and was half-pushed to the floor," passenger Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corporation. "I didn't see him carrying anything."

Whitby said he saw a police officer fire five shots into the man, whom he described as South Asian and wearing a thick coat.

Eyewitnesses say the man ran into the subway station, vaulted over a barrier, ran down some stairs and tripped. Plainclothes officers then reportedly shot him in the head.

On Thursday, four people tried to set off explosive devices on three subways and one bus. The lunchtime attack caused no injuries, except for one person who was hospitalized for an asthma attack.

The July 7 bombings killed 56 people and injured more than 700.

No community a target, say police

While most police in Britain do not carry guns, officers with special licences can do so.

The standard policy saying officers should not use a gun except as a last resort was changed after the July 7 bombings, giving police the authority to shoot suspected suicide bombers first and ask questions later.

Shortly after Friday's subway shooting, the Muslim Council of Britain issued a news release asking why police had targeted a man of South Asian origin.

Blair said the investigation is not targeted against any section of any community in the United Kingdom, though three of the four suspects identified by police in connection with the July 7 bombings were British-born Muslims of Pakistani origin. (The fourth suspect was a Jamaican-born British citizen.)

The police commissioner appealed for calm from all of the nation's ethnic communities as the investigation continues.

Source

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Quote:

Britain faces 'the enemy within'

The four suspected suicide bombers were not foreign Al Qaeda fighters but home-grown British radicals.

By Mark Rice-Oxley | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

LONDON – British police have made a dramatic breakthrough in the hunt for the London bombers, but the discovery that the suspects were young Britons, not hardened Al Qaeda foreigners, has heightened jitters and raised questions about how Britain prosecutes the war on terror. Police now say that the 7/7 attacks could be the first suicide bombings ever in Western Europe. They believe the perpetrators were second-generation Britons of Pakistani descent aged 18 to 30, possibly acting with some outside help.

If substantiated, the vigorous and rapid police work would give credence to the idea that Britain has more to fear from an "enemy within" than from shadowy Al Qaeda cells abroad.

Experts say the challenge for authorities now will be to combat terrorism by bolstering mainstream Muslim society to ensure no further defections to the fanatical jihadi camp. This effort, they say, should focus as much on acts of civic integration and inclusion as on the security-led war on terror that has alienated many.

Prime Minister Tony Blair hinted as much Wednesday when he told Parliament that "security measures alone are not going to deal with this." Still, he noted that the government would press ahead with legislation cracking down on those who incite hatred and violence, while seeking to banish foreigners who whip up terrorist fervor.

But he emphasized that no less important were initiatives to help the stricken Muslim community isolate the extremists in its midst. Success, he suggested, would come from confronting the "extreme and evil ideology" behind the attacks. And "this evil within the Muslim community," he argued, can only be defeated by the community itself. To that end, he urged the moderate voice of Islam to drown out the voluble extremism amplified globally.

Homegrown hard-liners

It's no secret that Britain has for years provided fertile soil for Islamic hard-liners. Some radical imams freely deliver Friday sermons filled with invective against Britain and "infidels."

Continued
http://csmonitor.com/2005/0714/p06s02-woeu.html

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the guy at Stockwell was being followed. He suddenly dived into the tube station was followed by special branch and ended his life on the floor of a northern line train with several bullets in his head.

if he was loaded with bombs we would have been told of this by now

like I said he was probably trying to use the tube without paying

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thethinkfactory wrote:

Good post Lash -

I honestly think that the Muslims should be deeply concerned for thier 'kind' (my scare quotes - for lack of better term). It is VERY ugly.

However, I also think we get, in America, bombarded with a bad light being cast on Muslims. I have so many good Muslim friends and students that are just sick and sick of hearing people dying, blowing themselves up, and the like. They ARE doing something about it - they preach tolerence in thier mosques, the try to root out thier 'clergy' that could become recruited and get to them first with the positive message of Islam.

It sucks. I am just sick of everyone killing in the name of God (by any other name). No wonder there are so many athiests that point to religion for thier reasons. Sucks.

TTF

Muslims worldwide should be deeply concerned, but it certainly appears that they are not. I have no doubt that there are very many individual Muslims who are enlightened and well meaning people who abhor these acts of terrorism and that much more because it is done in the name of their religion. However, why are there not public demonstrations in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia; London and Amsterdam where thousands of these decent Muslims dramatically display to the world their repudiation for these acts? I could be wrong, but I feel pretty certain that demonstrations like I have described would be going on throughout the West, if the extremists were self-described as Christians.

Where are the fatwas against these terrorists? There are fatwas against authors, film makers, and elected officials, but I've yet to hear of one against Osama bin Laden?

If America or England or Spain or Holland are being bombarded with "a bad light being cast on Muslims," it is muslims who are quite literally tossing the bombs and figuratively casting the bad light.

There is not a Western government yet that has reacted to Islamo-fascist attacks with condemnations of Islam -- quite the opposite. George Bush, that notable threat to world peace, has repeatedly made the point that these attacks are indicative of Islam and that muslims, in general, should not be blamed for them.

If muslims are truly horrified by these attacks than a whole lot more of them need to do what your friends have been doing. The Western press would fall all over themselves covering demonstrable efforts by large numbers of muslims and/or Islamic religious leaders to denounce these fanatics AND help the authorities root them out.

(As a side note: If the actions of men in the name of a religion created by men provide convincing evidence to anyone that God doesn't exist, I can only say that they must have a very immature notion of God)

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Finn really hits on the major point.

Where is the fatwa and accompanying outrage against Osama Bin Laden? We should hear Muslim remarks about him in the news. I never have.

They won't condemn him. Where's the chorus?

I have heard generic negative statements about terrorism--and I appreciate it every time--but, not against him. Is it because he's so popular with the majority of Muslims?

Is he still popular with the majority?

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There you go, Finn........some fatwas for you.

http://wikiproxy.whitelabel.org/index.php?url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4694441.stm

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

if he was loaded with bombs we would have been told of this by now

This hadn't occured to me. To my shame, my first thought when I heard about the shooting was "Good. I'm glad the terrorist scum is dead." I hope he was a terrorist, and not just a very unlucky, panicking fare-dodger.

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Lash wrote:

Where is the fatwa and accompanying outrage against Osama Bin Laden? We should hear Muslim remarks about him in the news. I never have.

They won't condemn him. Where's the chorus?

What trash. His followers are hounded and jailed by Muslim governments from Indonesia to Morocco, and Muslim clerics around the world have condemned him after 9/11.

You "have never" heard it on the news? I'd say that should make you wonder about your news.

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Do you have a link to a round of fatwas against Osama?

Again, I have never heard one. Since you call my statement "trash", I'm sure you'll be able to provide one with minimal effort.

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I mean, there are what...a kabillion Muslim clerics...? If OBL is roundly repudiated for hiding behind their sacred Islam for murdering innocent people, there should be ...quite a proliferation of fatwas against him, ...yes?

I'd think so.

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